The Ancient Mediterranean MOD

[davbenbak]

Thamis, thanks for the tutorial. I followed your link and it answered all the questions I had about why editing a map in WB caused so many problems. Thanks again.

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

I have given up trying to play the Hittites. The Hittites get it from all sides, even worse than Rome! LOL!

Babylon is still a power house. (Haven't tried huge map yet)

Kolchis were a significant regional power...one that the Hittites never managed to truely remove from the picture...a constant thorn in their side.

The Lydians were another significant regional power.

My question is who are the sea people that I keep stumbling into in my research on Asia Minor? All of my research talks about how a huge migration of "sea people" helped end the Hittite culture.

Any rate...you do need more like 36 civs to do a huge map like this any justice...I can't imagine how long the turns would take...

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

I know that my posts are full of constructive criticisms, but I would like to add that this is still by FAR the best and only MOD that I play for Civ IV. Actually, I don't even play the original CIV IV anymore.

That said, let's hack and slash and get some real civs into this mod Great job guys!

P.S. I support Medes and Persia as separate civs, if you are also going to have several of the Helenic city-states as separate civs, and I pray to God that one of your bright team mates mods in 36 civs to make it all work and make everyone happy, lol!

 

[thamis]

Here are a two suggestions for Nubia/Kush flag decal. I guess (and hope) the Egyptologists and Nubiologists wants to have their saying in this too.
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"Land of the Bow" and "Nubian Bowman"

I like the bow and line one. But we need to make the bow more curved to make it more visible. Can you do that?

 

[thamis]

I have not seen the huge map up close but if it includes the Indus River you could add the Harappan Civilization aka the Indus Valley Civilization.

I could, and I could get a city list for that. But the lands closer to Siberia are the ones that seriously need settlement...

 

[thamis]

I swear I saw a mod for 36 civs...I think it was Rhys Earth mod or someone's mod of Rhys' Earth mod???

I'll see whether I can find it and see what he did.

 

[thamis]

Sea Peoples

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

I could, and I could get a city list for that. But the lands closer to Siberia are the ones that seriously need settlement...

Enter the Huns and/or Mongols

May not be a bad intermediary step to put in some barbarian cities to represent minor cultures...

 

[Shqype]

From a history standpoint:

I would like to stand up for the Medes. From I understand they could have been the ones to unite Iran and rule as Persia ended up doing (second largest empire in the region after Rome -- nothing to scoff at). I, for one, had heard of the Medes but not of Ilyrians (sorry!).

From a playing standpoint:

I think it is important to have somewhat even distribution of Civs across the map. The eastern portion of the map will be too bare without the Medes.

Places of congestion include Asia minor. I suppose since the head programmer seems to have strong opinions maybe we could get rid of the Getians... That would help the Hittites, surely, who seem like they could use a boost. Again, my impression of history (no doubt skewed) give the Hittites a more prominant role than the Getians.

-- Hypnotoad

, you don't need to apologize for not knowing about the Illyrians, many people don't, but at least you learned something, right? There's a civilopedia entry of information, and then you always have basic sources for background information like Wikipedia

You could place 2 or 3 Barbarian cities in the Shkodra region giving them some ships for piracy

Actually, that's not a bad idea! Having some barbarian cities where the Illyrians should be would be a good placeholder until the 18 civ limit can be passed. That way the Greeks can take Dyrrachium as a trading colony, and the Romans can take Shkodra and some cities in northern Illyria. Good idea

 

[Hypnotoad]

Actually it was the Parthian Empire that gave Rome all the head aches. The Median empire was the first Iranian empire and it was destroyed long before the rise of Rome. They can easily be combined with Persia from a historical standpoint. Persia was a province of the Median Empire until the king of Persia; Cyrus the Great, rebelled against his grandfather who was the king of Media and defeated him starting the Achaemenid Dynasty; destroying the Median empire and creating the Persian Empire. The Medes always held high place in the Persian court and they intermarried very often before and after the Persian rebellion.

Is it misleading to say that the Parthian empire was a Persian empire? That's what I meant. And then, further, to say that the Medes could have ruled the Persian empire but didn't (due to Cyrus the Great).

And Thamis: yes, I meant the Kolchis. I get those two confused somehow...

-- Hypnotoad

 

[Dionysius]

i reccomend the huns be added when possible for the larger map.
at the mouth of the don would be the ideal location, scythians were
more ukrainian based, and Huns would fill out siberia.
TEH M4P
heres what the flag should look like:

 

[Ick of the East]

I wouldn't go and bring the Harrapan Indians in to the game. Other than trade and technology, the Indians didn't have any physical influence on the Med.
They never even invaded Persia, which makes Persia a good Eastern limit for the map.

I'm all for the Huns though. But to have them as a playable civ building great cities is a bit of a stretch. Can you do some script that will repetedly spawn a whole mess of Hunnish horsemen after a certain date?

 

[Dionysius]

well, its also a little odd to see the germanic tribes with big cities.

 

[HÄI]

Were the Mongol Hordes a serious threat to Europe and Asia Minor by the end of this Mod?

I'm not sure if you mean the Huns or the later Mongols, but Ghengis Khan united the Mongol tribes in 1150 or so, so they are nowhere near the TAM timeline. I'd love to see the Huns though.

 

[thamis]

Enter the Huns and/or Mongols

May not be a bad intermediary step to put in some barbarian cities to represent minor cultures...

That's what I did in the huge map. If you check the NE corner of the map, you'll find a few pretty strong barb cities.

 

[thamis]

Well, the way it is now, there is a proper barb civilization in the NE of the huge map. What I would find interesting is if we could:

- Make Barbs NOT raze cities when they capture them
- Have Barbs produce settlers on an irregular basis

Is that possible?

That way we wouldn't need a new civilization with made-up city names...

 

[thamis]

i reccomend the huns be added when possible for the larger map.
at the mouth of the don would be the ideal location, scythians were
more ukrainian based, and Huns would fill out siberia.
TEH M4P
heres what the flag should look like:

If we add a new Asian Steppe People civ, we should take the Cimmerians. According to both Herodotus and Assyrians, they originated in the steppes of Asia and invaded Mesopotamia a few times.

Ok everyone, if we can get leader and a city list together, they're in. The city list can be a bit of a historical stretch though, just like the Scythian and Goth ones are.

 

[Shqype]

How about Shkodra barbarians

 

[Seidrik_The_Gray]

I like what I'm hearing. I'll look into cimmerians...if someone doesn't beat me to it, lol.

As for Shkodra Barbarians...I like having Illyrians in the game

 

[Shqype]

I like what I'm hearing. I'll look into cimmerians...if someone doesn't beat me to it, lol.

As for Shkodra Barbarians...I like having Illyrians in the game

I think I'll create a new wonder for TAM v1.93, "The Wisdom of kwarriorpoet."

Of course, the Illyrian Barbarians would only be temporary until the 18 civ limit could be lifted.