The answer is in the wonders?

[seasnake]

Just have to say it one more time: Civ is about historical fantasy, not realism. We are basically saying "What if the Americans, Incas, Mongolians and Romans all had their heyday at the same time?" It's okay to reinvent history.

Civ is a game where Shaka founds Daoism, Napoleon and Churchill enter mutual protection pacts and Ghengis Khan swears vengeance on Abraham Lincoln (oh, and Montezuma hates you. and it's personal).

Soo....

I don't think we have to determine the "greatest" empires or powers in the world to determine who should be in. I think the Firaxis people look at different cultures in world history, look at some of things they did and didn't do, and call it a day. They aren't debating whether Brazil built/conquered better than Poland. They just look at everything and make a decision.

Personally, I want Ethiopia, Siam and Polynesia in to round things out. But if the Hittites, Brazillians, Polish, Israelis, or Scottish showed up (UB: Freemason lodges. Replaces courthouse, +3 Great Merchant) It will be awesome to say Robert the Bruce has declared war on Mansa Musa! Even if it could never happen. Even if the Scottish legacy is Braveheart and Haggis (yes it's more than that, but even if they had no real "civ-worthy" attributes).

It's fun to guess and reason out what civ will make the final cut. But please, let's not let national pride lead us to bagging on another candidate. I did this once with Poland and I was a) innaccurate (I don't know much about Poland but thought I did, and was wrong) and b) pretty much a jerk (as several Poland supporters were kind enough to point out).

 

[bode404]

Brazil has never been of importance to the world, hasn't led anything, never done anything amazing, magnificent or great.
Illiteracy is great, still today, many live on the streets and Brazil is no way a superpower in the modern world. It never has been.
Brazil has nothing to do in the Civilization game.

The superpowers were all included in vanilla.
Expansions add flavour, regional powers, nice-looking civs.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

look, im not Brazilian or anything, or even close to it, but i can say that Brazil isn't that pathetic. okay, it may not be a "superpower", but i am quite sure it is a regional power, and it is actually one of the "growing economic powers", so to speak, due to its vast natural resources. in the "growing economic powers" club inlcudes the obvious CHina, India, Russia, etc. ,etc., and although Brazil may not be able to send its troops halfway round the world to invade little countries, i can tell you it is one of the lesser rising powers.

i just wanted to add, in my opinion, out of all the "modern" nations that people want to add (including Canada, Australia, etc., etc.), i think Brazil is the most qualified.

I completely agree with this. Furthermore, why do some people here insist of posting abusive statements about Brazil?

 

[cybrxkhan]

i just wanted to add, in my opinion, out of all the "modern" nations that people want to add (including Canada, Australia, etc., etc.), i think Brazil is the most qualified.

actually, i just discovered, to add to my previous statment, out of all the "modern" nations, i think Brazil is one of the more unique ones. no insult to Canada and Australia (and correct me if im wrong), but those two countries are more similar to Britain than Brazil is to Portugual. Brazil, because it is much more diversified (Portugese, tribals, asians, indians, etc.), is much different than Portugual. I am quite sure that Portugual is still more "european-ish" than Brazil is (much in the way if you hear a Mexican and a real European Spaniard speaking, the Spaniard will sound more like an Italian or French).

however, despite all this, another thought just occured to me. the addition of Portugual may lessen Brazil's chances. if we see any Brazilian cities on the Portugese city-list, well, we all know where Brazil is going.

 

[Train]

i just wanted to add, in my opinion, out of all the "modern" nations that people want to add (including Canada, Australia, etc., etc.), i think Brazil is the most qualified.

Totally agree.

I completely agree with this. Furthermore, why do some people here insist of posting abusive statements about Brazil?

Same doubt here...

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

Think about it logically why should Brazil be in instead of Chile, Argentina or Venezuela? Venezuela has Simon Bolivar, Chile and Argentina are to other contestents a bit better then Brazil. Brazil only has Soccer, Population and Land.

...and culture, and history, and any other things that no one want to know about Brazil, 'cause everyone thinks that it's just a colonized country withn't any important things for u.

The brazilians invent a lot of things and discover a lot of things 2, anyways the americans and the europeans had shown theyre "discovers" first - including the airplane and the photography. No prejudice, just to demonster that my country isn't just "a country", but a important country of a lot of important people that, if THIS country and THIS people don't born, your, my and probably the life of everyone will be very different.

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

i just have somethings to say:
1) Some people thinks that Brazil IS important and says that they (we in the case ) need to be a civilization.
2) Another people say that Brazil ISN'T important and try to convince the people that thinks that Brazil is important that Brazil isn't important.
3) The people that thinks that Brazil needs to be a civilization don't convince the opposite.
4) The people that thinks that Brazil can't be a civilization don't convince the opposite.
5) Starts a "fight", that don't happens with any other (with some exceptions) civilization.


So, here is my conclusion:
1) Brazil needs to be a civilization to stop with this fight. Don't try to exterminate us just 'cause we wanna be a civilization 'cause Rome has been exterminated and it's a civilization
2) If we (isn't just me, isn't just you) fight for something it means that this thing is important. So... i don't need to say more, I need?

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

Cristo Redentor -> Portugal. Brazil just happened to be a colony of it.

And America just appeared to be a colony of England... I'm not correct?

 

[cybrxkhan]

And America just appeared to be a colony of England... I'm not correct?

though i am "semi-fully" supportive of your statements D), i will gently remind you, and i am quite sure you are aware, that the reason America is in because the game was made in America, anyways, and that America has had unimaginable political and economical influence in the world, you have to admit that, even though you may not like it. im saying im an American patriot, i don't like the country (i don't mean i hate the people like the fanatics, just i don't support its international decisions and its "culture" ).

anyways, America is always included in civ, whether you like it... or not...

now enough off-topicing...

oh, and three straight posts? that's a lot...

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

Brazil has never been of importance to the world, hasn't led anything, never done anything amazing, magnificent or great.
Illiteracy is great, still today, many live on the streets and Brazil is no way a superpower in the modern world. It never has been.
Brazil has nothing to do in the Civilization game.

We discovered the Wrighting Machine (is this the name in english?). The photography. The airplane. Brazil is famous in all world because of our culture. In the 60s, Brazil has been turned in "the great tropical country". We have more history than anyone thinks, including me and any history teacher, brazilian or not. We discovered a lot of illnesses (is this the name...?) and the cure for a lot of them.

Hey, what did u sad?

 

[cybrxkhan]

The airplane.

um... that was either the Wright Brothers or the Atlanteans.

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

though i am "semi-fully" supportive of your statements D), i will gently remind you, and i am quite sure you are aware, that the reason America is in because the game was made in America, anyways, and that America has had unimaginable political and economical influence in the world, you have to admit that, even though you may not like it. im saying im an American patriot, i don't like the country (i don't mean i hate the people like the fanatics, just i don't support its international decisions and its "culture" ).

anyways, America is always included in civ, whether you like it... or not...

now enough off-topicing...

oh, and three straight posts? that's a lot...

i like to do posts defending my country... it's good the people know that this country isn't ridiculous...

anyways, I just saw one time people saying that Australia can't be a civilization... all the other times (a lot) were been about Brazil...

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

um... that was either the Wright Brothers or the Atlanteans.

i was waiting someone say this
Yes, the Wright brothers invented the airplane, but not an airplane that flyes withn't "help", just moving things on the airplane... Wright's airplane fly because of a cannon!

EDITED: was fly... LOL

 

[cybrxkhan]

i like to do posts defending my country...

don't we all... don't we... well, except for a select few.

hey, and i just noticed your signature.

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

don't we all... don't we... well, except for a select few.

hey, and i just noticed your signature.

brownie the terrible likes! see!
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/53239955/?q=by:storio+brownie&qh=sort:time+-in:scraps
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51027380/?qo=47&q=by:storio&qh=sort:time+-in:scraps
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/51099070/?qo=46&q=by:storio&qh=sort:time+-in:scraps

now... DO U LIKE IT? DO U LIKE OR BROWNIE NEEDS TO MAKE ANOTHER VICTIM?

 

[TheLastOne36]

yes now we need the wonder Atlantis to represent the People of old great ATLANTIS!

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

yes now we need the wonder Atlantis to represent the People of old great ATLANTIS!

The unique unit of Atlantis can be a settler that can found cities underwater!

We are speaking about countries that exist, I think

 

[cybrxkhan]

We are speaking about countries that exist, I think

i think you meant the word "existed".

yes now we need the wonder Atlantis to represent the People of old great ATLANTIS!

i think so too. no, really, im semi-serious. we may argue about what civ is in what forver and forever as long as we're alive to see every single Civilization game come out, but i am pretty sure Atlantis is the only really qualified superpower thats not going to make it to the civ-list. and i was semi-serious on that.

 

[porto_alegre_xP]

i think you meant the word "existed".




i think so too. no, really, im semi-serious. we may argue about what civ is in what forver and forever as long as we're alive to see every single Civilization game come out, but i am pretty sure Atlantis is the only really qualified superpower thats not going to make it to the civ-list. and i was semi-serious on that.

Or exists. Brazil and America exists

 

[bode404]

The airplane.

um... that was either the Wright Brothers or the Atlanteans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santos_Dumont

And he also popularized the use of wristwatches by men.