The Best and Worst leader of your nation's history...
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elmer fudd
Chieftain
worst - nixon. he lied and it drove a nation apart.
best - clinton.he lied and it gave us something to talk about!
best - clinton.he lied and it gave us something to talk about!
china444
Ain't no thang
United States of America
Best: Abe Lincoln
Worst: Bush Jr
Reason for lincoln- freed slaves, was anti-slavery, and helped through civil war
Resson for Bush- 710 reasons for iraqi war
Best: Abe Lincoln
Worst: Bush Jr
Reason for lincoln- freed slaves, was anti-slavery, and helped through civil war
Resson for Bush- 710 reasons for iraqi war
superunknown
Fake Plastic Head
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Bose
Antipodean
You'll understand later on in life Puglover that things just aren't as easy as this...
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Germany
Best - Willy Brandt, mostly because of his foreign policies but also because of the inner changes, although those can't all be given to him
Worst - obviously Kiesinger, Kurt Georg Kiesinger, he brought shame on the country like noone else
Best - Willy Brandt, mostly because of his foreign policies but also because of the inner changes, although those can't all be given to him
Worst - obviously Kiesinger, Kurt Georg Kiesinger, he brought shame on the country like noone else
amadeus
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Hitro - may I ask why Hitler was not on your list as the worst?
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
Please, rmsharpe, don't turn this into another "how evil was Hitler" thread! 
Actually, on second thoughts, I don't care that much. Let the thread develope naturally.
Actually, on second thoughts, I don't care that much. Let the thread develope naturally.
Ohwell
Deity
In my opinion, Hitler was not the leader of Germany. He was the leader of an evil nation, a reich. Besides, it wouldn't be fun if all Germans just put Hitler here.
amadeus
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I asked why he wasn't on the list. I think it is a fair question considering all of the truly awful things that Hitler did to Germany and the rest of Europe.
amadeus
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You could justify anything under that, though.
DancesWithGoats
Chieftain
best leader: Leopold II (he gave us the Congo)
worst leader: Leopold III ( he didn't really collaborate with the Germans during WW2, but he was a bit too friendly with them... I read that the main reason why he disliked Hitler and the Nazi movement was that they were a bunch of 'commoners' and that he wanted the aristocracy to regain power in Germany...)
worst leader: Leopold III ( he didn't really collaborate with the Germans during WW2, but he was a bit too friendly with them... I read that the main reason why he disliked Hitler and the Nazi movement was that they were a bunch of 'commoners' and that he wanted the aristocracy to regain power in Germany...)
amadeus
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Wasn't Leopold II the one that killed 10 million Congolese?
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Because I hate giving the obvious answer.
Kiesinger on the other hand is the most unknown post-war German chancellor. If you ask people to list all post-war chancellors (there are only seven) of the FRG, the one most don't know is Kiesinger, that's the only reason I chose him.
But he was a NSDAP member, so it's not all bad.
DancesWithGoats
Chieftain
10 thousand perhaps, but 10 million? No.
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
I don't think Hitler is the worst German leader ever, even if he is the most "evil." The growth and recovery of the German state under his leadership was remarkable; as were his diplomatic maneuvering and his leadership abilities. Although I grant you that his aggressiveness brought down Germany and of course I'll grant you that the crimes committed under his regime were some of the worst in modern European history. You've got to distinguish between "bad" and "ugly". Hitler was an ugly leader because of his moral crimes, but not a bad one (in non-moral terms).
Personally, I think Kaiser Wilhelm II was the worst German leader in recent times, because his aggressive, inept and tactless policies ruined the 2nd Reich and overturned most of the good work accomplished by Bismarck.
My greatest German leader is the Emperor Friedrich II, but Germany has been blessed/ cursed with many leaders, who were good, bad and ugly.
Personally, I think Kaiser Wilhelm II was the worst German leader in recent times, because his aggressive, inept and tactless policies ruined the 2nd Reich and overturned most of the good work accomplished by Bismarck.
My greatest German leader is the Emperor Friedrich II, but Germany has been blessed/ cursed with many leaders, who were good, bad and ugly.
To all the people putting Bush Jr. because "He" messed up the economy have obviously forgoten a little peanut farmer from georgia who rose to the ranks of the Presidency named Jimmy Carter.
And for the record I'm not really supporting bush here, I'm not too thrilled with the job he's doing but if your going to pick a president because "they" messed up the economy, which I don't really believe that it's the presidents sole fault that the economy does what it does, then you should go with Carter or Hoover. Both of them would have loved to have our current economy and some point durring their terms.
And for the record I'm not really supporting bush here, I'm not too thrilled with the job he's doing but if your going to pick a president because "they" messed up the economy, which I don't really believe that it's the presidents sole fault that the economy does what it does, then you should go with Carter or Hoover. Both of them would have loved to have our current economy and some point durring their terms.
Hitro
Feistus Raclettus
Sorry, but that is complete nonsense.
Even taken all moral aspects aside, the only thing you can really measure this after is what a leader's time of leadership brings to the country. That's best done by comparing before and after.
So before Hitler Germany was in a very bad economic situation and politically instable. After Hitler the country was completely destroyed, a quarter of the people was dead, big chunks of the core territory lost, millions displaced and the image severely damaged for many decades to come.
Which other German leader has a worse record?
Pangur Bán
Deconstructed
I've just posted on Site Feedback saying that I've never had a fight with you.
The problem you have is that you are judging Hitler without much reference to the circumstances he faced. Hitler lost a war which was bigger in scale than any previous war. Losing had the consequences it had because of the circumstances, not because of Hitler. Lots of German leaders have lost wars. It wasn't Hitler's fault that modern warfare is so destructive. It wasn't Hitler's fault that every Great Power feared/ hated Germany. It wasn't Hitler's fault that his tanks started to malfunction in the Soviet Union.
His political ambitions, the ambitions that contributed to the war, were Germany's, were not just Hitler's. Germany had been continually maltreated by the Great Powers and denied the prestige "empires" possessed by all the Great European states; but Germany was the strongest individual power in Europe. That war would probably have been fought by any German leader.
Hitler's almost single-handed success in creating the Nazi state was hardly the work of the worst German leader ever; neither was his success in reuniting the Saar, Austrian and the Sudetenland Germans without any bloodshed. I'm definitely not going to say that anyone who accomplished these things was a bad leader, never mind the worst one in a history as long as Germany's.
BTW, saying that any of my posts are "complete nonsense" won't do you any good because I know that it is never true of anything, never mind my high-quality posts
