The CFC Model UN

[cgannon64]

Choosing successors?

No, the way it should work is that the person who starts the Model UN is the President, and is therefore the President Country. It just so happened that, in this one case, I agreed that you can start the next UN. When that one dies, whoever starts the next one is the President.

Hell, you could start your own UN and be President of it. It doesn't matter.

Anyway, the reason I wanted to be President of this UN is that I'm familiar with Toasty's rules. You had your own set of rules. In the next UN we will follow whoever's rules are President.

Anyway, I'm going to bed soon, I suggest all members say they're present and PM to request being on the speakign list. And start setting up resolutions, if you so desire...

 

[Xen]

yes, thats the way these games work Cgannon- the winner of the game gets the right to set of the next game- but here we run into a snag- there is no single winner- or any winner in this game- so there has to be some criteria for who set uf the next game- in this case the only real choice if for the president of the UN to name his successor

 

[Toasty]

Veteran's advisory :

Xen, CGannon has to be the ultimate authority when it comes to this. If you feel compelled to leave and set up your own CFC Model UN, then so be it, but for this one CGannon is still head honcho. Like it or not, he owns this thread, and while he has a job to somewhat accurately portray the reality of the situation, outside of that, it is his responsibility and his privelege.

Anyone who has the gumption to go through the labor of running one of these things has at least that right.

 

[Xen]

@Toasty- dosent matter, if there arnt a standard base of rules that ALL UN threads can be based on then what is the point?

its best to iron out ALL the details now rather then later

 

[Toasty]

Not really, Xen. Each thread can be treated as an individual scenario (as it well should be). And, ideally, there should be no need for a second thread.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Out of Character:

Just a reminder, the ICC cannot try Saddam Hussein except for any crimes he may have committed after July 1, 2002. He came to power before it was created and neither Iraq nor the United States are party to the treaty creating it. (The US withdrew in 2002, Iraq never signed). A more succinct quote from Reuters:

Saddam cannot be brought before the UN's new permanent war crimes tribunal, the International Criminal Court. While Saddam's Baathist Party came to power in 1968, and he became president in 1979, the ICC cannot take cases that predate its creation on July 1, 2002.

 

[Toasty]

Originally posted by SeleucusNicator
Out of Character:

Just a reminder, the ICC cannot try Saddam Hussein except for any crimes he may have committed after July 1, 2002. He came to power before it was created and neither Iraq nor the United States are party to the treaty creating it. (The US withdrew in 2002, Iraq never signed). A more succinct quote from Reuters:

He could technically still be tried, just not for crimes prior to July 1, 2002 .

I think the things that the man did betweein July 2002 and March 2003 would be more than enough to get him a life sentence at any rate.

 

[Xen]

thats an overlly idealized look at what going to happen, and we ALL KNOW this will happen unless there is a rule structure to prevent- first were going to get a topic, then we'll discuss it, and come to some sor to f conclusion, the onw of two things will happen A) a buch of people go off and spawan threads for a new UN game unless a clear successor has been chosen, OR the is thread just continues to grow, and sprawl until it dies a horrible slw deatj at the hands of it just being two diificul to go and search that obsucre post and passge 10 pages back in the thread- and then there will be 20 spin of threads as no successor has been chosen

I say we do away with that, and make a singl game session, rather short, but now two short- hence two weeks, abotu the same amount fo time most of the hot OT threads last if you care to notice, and clear path of succession- leading to nice, well constructed gameplay

 

[Toasty]

Xen, have you ever been to the NES forums? Check out the size of those whoppers. They can go on for many, MANY pages (especially Return to Our Roots 2), and many months. The original item to be resolved will be voted on, the President will present several new issues or topics to be discussed, and the Council will vote on the next issue to be considered.

Obviously, after the first CFC Model UN, 20 new threads were not born. In fact, I was kind of happy to see that this one had been. It all ultimately comes down to the President's activity, willingness to do what is required, and ability to replace "dud" players.

Xen, as a participant in several real-life simulations, and as the founder of the Model UN here, I think that my words have a lot of merit to them. If this method does not work this time around, then it will be addressed; however, unless you are that strung-up about this that you think it merits the creation of your own thread, then CGannon's and my desires rule out yours. This is a community, but it is not a Democracy. Please drop the issue and stop taking up more space in the thread related to it.

 

[Xen]

in a word, no.

no, I have not been to th enes forums, nor do I knwo what these are.

no, there were not 20 new threads born of you first- but this is a new thread is it not, and, apperntlly, with a great deal more enthusiasm placed behind it

no, I will start a new thread, it is uneeded, and I feel there should only be one UN thread at a time

no, this IS a democracy by default, like it or not- this is meant to represent the UN, which in itself furthers democratic valuse by placeing choices intot he hands of many nations

just because you are a founder of the thread idea here, and a member of it in real life (which, if you did not notic in the real thread, or my refernces here, I am as well a member of the model UN) dose not mean you have any better ruleing then anyone- my points are valid which is why your not directlly takeing them on, but merelly insisting that I stop talking about it, I say the best way to decide the issue is to let the players themselvs vote on the topic

 

[Toasty]

Originally posted by Xen

no, this IS a democracy by default, like it or not- this is meant to represent the UN, which in itself furthers democratic valuse by placeing choices intot he hands of many nations

This is meant to reflect the UN in as many aspects as possible. It is not completely accurate, and many aspects must be foregone for the sake of simplicity and efficiency. One of these is Democracy in concern to how it is run.

I'm going to leave this matter to CGannon for now, but I'm sure that if it is necessary, he will deal with this situation appropriately.

 

[SeleucusNicator]

Russia notes the foolishness of discussing the next UN thread before this one has even done anything.

We would propose a gag on the issue. It can be discussed AFTER this UN actually does something.

 

[Plexus]

France seconds such a proposal by esteemed Russia.

 

[naervod]

Xen, if you haven't visited the NES forums, I suggest you do. Just go to Civ 3 - Stories and Tales, then click the Never Ending Stories and voila. I highly suggest you check it out.

To make this post worthwhile, I would say, let us focus on this thread right now and the next thread when we are ready to start it.

 

[Xen]

alright, for now, I will consent- BUT remember- that the next UN thread is mine- and my proposal fo rthe president choosing his successor is based on the fact that Cgannon has said that I am the sole claimant to forming the next thread- which, IMO, should be started as soon as this topic has ended

 

[Syterion]

Spain concurs with Russia, with no malice towards either the United States or the former leader of Mexico.

Will the introductory comments commence following the prescence of remaining state leaders? I believe only Algeria is left to report his absence of absence.

 

[Xen]

Originally posted by Toasty


This is meant to reflect the UN in as many aspects as possible. It is not completely accurate, and many aspects must be foregone for the sake of simplicity and efficiency. One of these is Democracy in concern to how it is run.

I'm going to leave this matter to CGannon for now, but I'm sure that if it is necessary, he will deal with this situation appropriately.

your still refusing to acknowledge the fac that I'm right, and there still is an issue to be resolved, not mention you post as if you actually knew better then I- which, I can assure you, will argue unto my death bed about

 

[Plexus]

Xen, chill, you'll live longer.

 

[Perfection]

China also concurs with Russia

 

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