The Department of Foreign Affairs - Term 1
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Shaitan
der Besucher
We've met several civilizations and the Department now has some serious decisions to make. There is already overwhelming support for a campaign against America so we won't deal with that directly - it's essentially in the hands of the Military Department at this point. What the Department has to think of is what to do to support this imminent war effort and to further our stated goals.
When we war on America we will need to gather support from other civs. This has two effects. First, we split the American defenses. Second, we prevent those civilizations from being drawn into the war on America's side. The Greeks and Romans are too far away to be a consideration. The Aztecs are likely right next to the Americans and the Babylonians are likely between the Aztecs and Romans/Greeks. I'm fairly confident of this because we started the game with culturally linked starting locations.
We need to cultivate relations with the Aztecs and Babylonians. At the first opportunity we need to set up embassies with both. Embassies are necessary for a military alliance and Right of Passage. We need to get Right of Passage agreements with both of them as soon as possible. They are not close neighbors so there is little to no risk of them using ROP to plant settlers within our domains. ROP will help to increase our standing with these civilizations and should also net us some cash. We should also give each a small gift every 10 to 15 turns. We won't get them gracious with cash gifts but we will be able to get and keep them polite.
We have comparable military numbers to all civs except the Romans, who we are superior to. This gives us an opportunity for extorsion. To do this we need a military unit near, but not in, their territory. If we don't have a military presence on their borders they will laugh at our threats.
We should make nice with Greece and America for the time being.
Recap:
Give a small gift (5 gp or so) to Babylon and Aztecia. Repeat this gift each 10 to 15 turns or immediately if they go lower than polite.
Establish embassies with Babylon and Aztecia as soon as possible.
Once embassies are established, get ROP with Babylon and Aztecia.
Move a warrior next to Rome then extort them. Rinse, repeat as necessary.
When the Military Department is ready for the campaign against America, declare war. Immediately enlist Babylon and Aztecia in military alliances against America.
A reminder - we have 14 turns left in a payment schedule to America. We will not declare war against them until this deal is completed naturally.
Feedback and criticism are welcomed. If debate becomes mired I will hold polls on the disputed items.
When we war on America we will need to gather support from other civs. This has two effects. First, we split the American defenses. Second, we prevent those civilizations from being drawn into the war on America's side. The Greeks and Romans are too far away to be a consideration. The Aztecs are likely right next to the Americans and the Babylonians are likely between the Aztecs and Romans/Greeks. I'm fairly confident of this because we started the game with culturally linked starting locations.
We need to cultivate relations with the Aztecs and Babylonians. At the first opportunity we need to set up embassies with both. Embassies are necessary for a military alliance and Right of Passage. We need to get Right of Passage agreements with both of them as soon as possible. They are not close neighbors so there is little to no risk of them using ROP to plant settlers within our domains. ROP will help to increase our standing with these civilizations and should also net us some cash. We should also give each a small gift every 10 to 15 turns. We won't get them gracious with cash gifts but we will be able to get and keep them polite.
We have comparable military numbers to all civs except the Romans, who we are superior to. This gives us an opportunity for extorsion. To do this we need a military unit near, but not in, their territory. If we don't have a military presence on their borders they will laugh at our threats.
We should make nice with Greece and America for the time being.
Recap:
Give a small gift (5 gp or so) to Babylon and Aztecia. Repeat this gift each 10 to 15 turns or immediately if they go lower than polite.
Establish embassies with Babylon and Aztecia as soon as possible.
Once embassies are established, get ROP with Babylon and Aztecia.
Move a warrior next to Rome then extort them. Rinse, repeat as necessary.
When the Military Department is ready for the campaign against America, declare war. Immediately enlist Babylon and Aztecia in military alliances against America.
A reminder - we have 14 turns left in a payment schedule to America. We will not declare war against them until this deal is completed naturally.
Feedback and criticism are welcomed. If debate becomes mired I will hold polls on the disputed items.
Charis
Realms Beyond
The Americans are indeed a top target, from the perspective of the military. Our goal is to maximize 'advantage', and Immortal vs Legionary or vs Hoplite is NOT the way to go. Now *if* we were in a position with barracks available, iron already online, and Rome not so far or not in hilly country, I would move for a very quick and very decisive now, do-or-die campaign vs Rome BEFORE they get legionaries. But as it stands now, America.
The other key reason why them is to avoid multiple fronts.If we go against any other civ, there is always the concern America will ally and we would be in a two front war. Instead, we destroy them, and strive to keep things on one front at a time.
14 turns to go before we can declare?? Ack! Be careful in the future about long agreements with incumbent targets
Actually, that'll be JUST ABOUT how long it will take to implement all that is laid out in the current military analysis, so not so bad.
We have MUCH to do to prepare in those 14 turns, much to do...
General Charis
The other key reason why them is to avoid multiple fronts.If we go against any other civ, there is always the concern America will ally and we would be in a two front war. Instead, we destroy them, and strive to keep things on one front at a time.
14 turns to go before we can declare?? Ack! Be careful in the future about long agreements with incumbent targets
Actually, that'll be JUST ABOUT how long it will take to implement all that is laid out in the current military analysis, so not so bad.
We have MUCH to do to prepare in those 14 turns, much to do...
General Charis
Shaitan
der Besucher
I've posted a poll to clarify whether our citizenry wishes to fight now (maximize Immortal advantage) or later (build our infrastructure now). Please vote.
I agree with most parts of the manifesto. However, I would like to point out that I am all for declaring war when necessay to gain acess to as many of all types of luxuires and resources as possible. When someone has something we want we should not sit idle and wait for that civ to start a war on us. I agree wholeheartedly with the honesty part. We should not use the ROP-exploit, that is for cowards only. And we should not break any agreements within the 20-turn limit. Honest but agressive is my motto. 
Shaitan
der Besucher
Poll results are conclusive. The Phoenatics demand war. Our target is America and we will declare war in 15 turns or less. An early declaration will occur if a starting troop goal of 6 immortals is readied AND we have no active deals with America.
The Trade Department and Executive Branch are hereby advised to withold per turn bargaining from deals with America.
The Military Department is advised to prepare for imminent war as noted above.
Initial goals are the acquisition of at least 3 American cities. Secondary goals are to prevent American access to iron and horses. These goals are only the initial targets - continuing goals will be debated and altered as needed.
The Trade Department and Executive Branch are hereby advised to withold per turn bargaining from deals with America.
The Military Department is advised to prepare for imminent war as noted above.
Initial goals are the acquisition of at least 3 American cities. Secondary goals are to prevent American access to iron and horses. These goals are only the initial targets - continuing goals will be debated and altered as needed.
russia1292000
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The president has taken foriegh affairs into his own hands and the babalons are at war with us. This defeats the constitution. The cabnet is justa puppet.
You have got to be kidding me! Stop spamming the sticky threads with this nonsense!eek: Start your own thread if you intend to continue this!
russia1292000
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I want to hear the Department oppinion. I already know yours.
Shaitan
der Besucher
The Department of Foreign Affairs unequivocally supports the in game decision to refuse the threats of Babylon. The President followed the Foreign Policy perfectly in this regard. As Babylon is half a continent away they pose little threat. In this case the Foreign Policy specifies to refuse extorsion attempts.
russia1292000
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War is no bargaing method
Shaitan
der Besucher
Regarding Babylon - this is almost a fuggedaboudit. However, steps should be taken just in case. We will need an embassy with the Aztecs. If the Babylons actually start an offensive we need to get the Aztecs in a military alliance against Babylon.
The reason I'm going for the Aztecs is that they are strategically placed to actually assist us if Babylon moves forces against us.
After a few turns, Babylon should be approached for peace. No extorsion should be payed unless they are engaging us AND we are being outgunned.
War plans against America should continue as they are. Upgrade the immortals, take 3 American cities.
The reason I'm going for the Aztecs is that they are strategically placed to actually assist us if Babylon moves forces against us.
After a few turns, Babylon should be approached for peace. No extorsion should be payed unless they are engaging us AND we are being outgunned.
War plans against America should continue as they are. Upgrade the immortals, take 3 American cities.
Shaitan
der Besucher
Falcon02
General
While establishing the Embassy I took note of all the information that it gave me about Thebes. While I'm not sure how much (if any) of this information will be useful, I am providing it just in case.
Thebes
Strategic Resources- Iron
Population - 2
Culture - 2 per turn
Expansion in 425 turns
150/1000 points to expansion
Improvements:
Palace only
Luxuries:
3 Ivory
3 Shields per turn production
9 food per turn (4 used) (growth in 4)
5 gold per turn
1 (20%) to taxes
4 (80%) to Science
0 (0%) to Luxuries
Two fortified Spearmen (3 hit-points each, Regular)
Settler (will be complete in 8 turns)
Thebes
Strategic Resources- Iron
Population - 2
Culture - 2 per turn
Expansion in 425 turns
150/1000 points to expansion
Improvements:
Palace only
Luxuries:
3 Ivory
3 Shields per turn production
9 food per turn (4 used) (growth in 4)
5 gold per turn
1 (20%) to taxes
4 (80%) to Science
0 (0%) to Luxuries
Two fortified Spearmen (3 hit-points each, Regular)
Settler (will be complete in 8 turns)
Shaitan
der Besucher
There's some good info there. We can see that Thebes is one heck of a settler factory. Based on these stats and the AI's expansion push I'm guessing that Egypt has a whole lot of territory. They have iron (swords) but no horses (at least in the capital). General Charis will value this info. Great idea to take all that down Falcon 
Falcon02
General
Thanks, I figured it was a "Free" extra with the Embassy so I figured if we have it why not see if we can use it.
chiefpaco
Emperor
This citizen is concerned that our Foreign Minister is not being fully adhered by our President. Your mandates are clear:
We are currently at war with most of our neighbours. I don't think we have established embassies with anyone. Our relationships are suffering. We need to stand up for the Manifesto of this department.
We are currently at war with most of our neighbours. I don't think we have established embassies with anyone. Our relationships are suffering. We need to stand up for the Manifesto of this department.
Had these decrees been ratified by the rest of the cabinet, I would agree with you. However, they have not, and are currently nothing more than suggestions from our respected foreign affairs minister. Embassies are expensive, which I believe I warned of earlier in this thread, so we must have a good reason to establish one this early. Had we established these embassies, we would have about half the gold we have now, and the Babylonians likely would have still declared war, as their idiotic military advisor told them they have a superior military.
Once we have established a more effective (monarchy or republic)government, I would like to give the foreign ministry an actual budget, which it can use at its discretion.
I also would like the foreign minister to appoint a chat represenative, ASAP.
Shaitan
der Besucher
The Department of Foreign Affairs is now hiring a secondary chat representative. In the event that myself and Deputy Benjamin can not attend the chat this representative will speak with the full authority of the Department. Requirements of the position are:
- Good knowledge and understanding of the Foreign Policy (1st post in this thread).
- Knowledge of current affairs in Phoenatica.
- Ability to attend the chat sessions.
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If you are interested in the position please send me a PM.
Shaitan
der Besucher
I appreciate the support, chiefpaco, but I'm not unduly concerned at this point. As Eyrei mentioned, cash is a premium at this point and I understand that until the Department has its own budget we won't get everything we want if it affects the treasury. Yes, we do want embassies with everybody and I'd like them right now but the upgrade plan for the Immortals took priority up to this point.
I'd love to have somebody at the turn chats to represent the Department. My schedule nixes my attendance unless it's at 9:00 GMT. Deputy Benjamin is also generally unable to attend. If you can regularly make the chats I'd be happy to appoint you as the Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs. PM me if you are interested.
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