I thought I´d better move the discussion about the Empire-Unitstats to this thread.
This is what We came up with, for now. Some Units are still missing and others may not be perfect - but I think we better let playtesting decide that.
Ancient
Settler: S0, M2, can found a new city - cost 100
Worker: S0, 0FS, M2, can improve tiles - cost 60
Work Boat: S0, M2, cannot enter ocean, can create fishing boats and whaling boats - cost 30
Unberogen Warrior: S2, 1FS, M1, +25% City Defense - cost 15
Unberogen Spearman: S4, 1FS, M1, +50% vs Cavalry (not ranged) - cost 30
Unberogen Archer: S3, 1FS, 1FSC, M1, +50% City-Defense, +25% Hills-Defense - cost 25
Unberogen Axeman: S4, 0FS, M1, +25% vs Melee - cost 30
Unberogen Swordsman: S4, 1FS, M1, +20% City-Attack - cost 30
Unberogen Shaman: S3, 0FS, M1, can cast spells - cost 35
Ungol Horse-Archer: S4, 2FS, 1FSC, M3, +50% vs Artilery, no Defense Bonus, Withdraw 25% - cost 45
Catapult: S4, 1FS, M1, no Defense Bonus, Withdraw 25%, collateral 3 units 10%, City-Bombard 15% - cost 35
Pegasus: ???
Halfling Scout: S1, 1FS, M2, +100% vs Animals, only Defense, better results from Villages - cost 15
Galley: S2, M2, Cargo Space 2, cannot enter ocean - cost 50
Age of Magic
Citizen: ??? (what´s this supposed to be? a better Worker?)
Imperial Spearmen: S6, 1FS, M1, +50% vs Cavalry (not ranged) - cost 60
Imperial Bowmen: S5, 2FS, 1FSC, M1, +50% City-Defense, +25% Hills-Defense - cost 50
Imperial Swordsmen: S6, 1FS, M1, +20% City-Attack - cost 50
Kislev Winged Lancer: S7, 1FS, M3, no Defense-Bonus, +50% vs Artillery, +25% vs Melee, Withdraw 25% - cost 75
Hedge-Wizard: S5, 0FS, M1, can cast Spells - cost 60
Griffon: S10, 2FS, 1FSC, M3, +50% vs Artillery, +25% vs Melee, Withdraw 25%, flying - cost 200
Halfling Explorer: S3, 1FS, M2, better Results from Villages - cost 35
Imperial War Galley: S3, M3, Cargo Space 1 (can carry scout, explorer, missionary, spy, or great people), can explore rival territory w/o triggering war - cost 60
Age of Discovery
Greatswords: S8, 1FS, M1, +20% City-Attack, +25% vs Monsters, +25% vs Melee - cost 100
Halberdiers: S8, 1FS, M1, +50% vs Cavalry (not ranged) - cost 90
Imperial Hunters: S6, 3FS, 1FSC, M1 +50% City-Defense, +25% Hills-Defense - cost 70
Imperial Crossbowmen (Marksman is the Champion Unit): S7, 2FS, M1, +50% City-Defense, +25% Hills Defense - cost 70
Reiksguard Knights: S9, 1FS, M2, no Defense-Bonus, +50% vs Artillery, +25% vs Melee, Withdraw 25% - cost 110
Wizard: S6, 0FS, M1, can cast spells - cost 90
Great Cannon S7, 1FS, 1FSC, M1, collateral 4 Units 15%, City Bombard 20%, Withdraw 25% - cost 70
Mortar: ???
Imperial Greatship: S5, M4, Cargo Space 3 - cost 80
Imperial Wolfship: S8, M4, Can bombard city defenses -10% - cost 90
Mechanical Age:
Pistolier: S8, 2FS, 1FSC, M3, no Defense-Bonus, +50% vs Artillery, Withdraw 25% - cost 120
Hand-Gunner: S8, 2FS, M1, +25% City-Defense, +25% Hills-Defense, +20% City-Attack - cost 90
Hellblaster Volley Gun: S7, 2FS, 2FSC, M1, collateral 5 Units 20%, Withdraw 25% - cost 90
Ironfist: ???
Hell-Hammer: ???
Steam Tank: S9, 2FS, 1FSC, M2, collateral 4 Units 15%, City Bombard 20%, Withdraw 25% - cost 150
The ships are like the vanilla ones (except that the Galley got +1 Str).
Ironfist and Hellhammer: are those two both combat ships? Or is one of them a transport, and if so, which one?
Ungol Horse Archer and the Pistolier are supposed to be "Ranged Cavalry" unit-types.
DutchJunkie said:
My comments (positive comments! ):
- Unberogen Warrior: no city defense, they are the old hunter warriors!
So are the vanilla cIV ones and they also have the +25%, I see no reason to change that, so i left the bonus in for now.
DutchJunkie said:
- Pegasus is still useless as a unit imo .. it is a strong mount, not a monster!
I don´t think it´s useless, I like the idea of having at least two different monsters for the Empire and not only footsoldiers and knights (I think I can remember in the old days they had a lot of Ogres in the Empire, but that semms to have changed)
DutchJunkie said:
- Rename imperial galley to something without imperial
You´re right, shouldn´t be imperial, changed that.
DutchJunkie said:
- Halberdiers should get city defense (they are the true city defenders fluffwise)
I don´t know if this would make the Halberdiers to universal, having bonus in defense and against cavalry, I think we need to discuss this. I think it should be one or the other and in that case I´d prefer to stick to the "schema" and make them a anti cavalry unit - I think it´s better gameplay-wise, sometimes we might have to get a little distance from the fluff.
DutchJunkie said:
- Steam tank S9, 2FS, 1FSC, M2, collateral 4 Units 15%, City Bombard 20%, Withdraw 50% - cost 150 (an improved driving cannon)
- Griffon Rider S10, 2FS, 1FSC, M3, +50% vs Artillery, +25% vs Melee, Withdraw 50%, flying - cost 200 (improved flying reiksguard)
Thanks a lot for those two, put 'em right in, but I changed the withdrawal chance to 25% - 50% is just too much IMO and it decreases the chance of the loss of ones best units even more.
You can just say - Westerland is boring, maybe in the future
Ok Westerland is boring and I admit I never would play it in civ3 and in civ4 also not. So no point making units for them and that's it. Maybe if another crazy Dutch Junkie creates them for the Netherlands mod we'll think about it other wise it's a no go.Although I liked to play the Dutch in vanilla civ3
You are right most of the time ..
