The Gangs of New York Mod

ice2k4

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Attention we need modders.
Well, basically I was looking around the forums tonight, and I found Apocalypse New York Civ III Scenario. Being from New York, I looked over the city list and saw all the neighborhoods and names I'm familiar with. It actually inspired me to make a mod about New York, but in Civ IV, and instead of being about an Apocalypse, make it about history.

This mod is not based on the movie, get over it.
Also this mod will be based on the 1900 immigration boom, to the 1950's/60's

A little background to this mod:
In the early 1900's the second wave of immigration hit the United States. These new immigrants were mostly Italian, Irish and Jewish. Many of these immigrants were told outrageous things about America, like the streets were paved with gold, but when they arrived they were greatly mistaken. This new immigration wave all arrived in Ellis Island, in New York. Since these immigrants were poor and had no money, they concentrated themselves in New York City. Many neighborhoods formed, as generally Irish, generally Italian, or generally Jewish.

The Italians became the most distinct however. They saw the problems of the city, and twisted it to their advantage. They started their own mafia, modeled from the Sicilian mafia back at home. After only a decade, five "families" broke out, competing for un-official control of New York. The rest, is history.

About this mod:
In this mod, you will play as a leader of one of the gangs (families.) You will start out in 1912 controlling a neighborhood or two in New York. With the help of your trusty soldati and intelligent capos, you will take control of surrounding neighborhoods. However, just enough, is never enough. You will soon find yourself competing for the rest of New York (and a small part of sub-urban New Jersey) with the other families and may have to "hit the mattress'" every now and then. (More to come.)

Please Note: I live in New York, and have an exceptional understanding of the mafia. Game concepts are easy to come by.
 
I am still debating over a few things. And I want your opinion on them.

Issue #1
Should this mod be based on The Godfather (book, and movie)
or
Should it be based on historical fiction (currently I favor this option)
or
Should I do a little research, and base it on the actual mafia of the time period.

Now, before you make your decision, I would like to make a few notes.
The Godfather, was all based on real-life events. Each family in The Godfather can be traced to the real crime families, as well as some of the characters (ex. Johnny Fontane is Frank Sinatra in real life, who had his godfather buy him out of a band leader contract.)

So the only difference between Options 1 & 3 are names and possibly timed in-game events (ie. with option 1, it would be more of a story-line based mod.)

I've decided option 1 is not the way to go and heavily favor option 2.

Issue #2
How much should I alter gameplay?

Just look over the game concepts.

Issue #3
Should I allow other factions as civs (ie. the government, other culture groups like the irish or the jews) and should said factions be playable?

Issue #4
Should you start out controlling 1 neighborhood, and then make the neighborhoods surronding you be barbarian neighborhoods. Once you capture the barbarian neighborhoods you would soon meet borders with a rival family, capturing their barbarian neighborhoods.

Please see game concept 5.3 and game concept 6
 
Game Concepts:

Ok let me start off, where to begin.

1. Civs will be gang/families.

2. Units will be more generic, and serve more specific jobs.
2.1 Basic Units are Soldati (Offsensive/Defensive), Associates (Offensive, Weak), Caporegime (Special Unit used to extort busines or act as a general (like a civ iii general)), Consigliere (only allowed 1 consigliere, role in game not determined yet.)
2.2 As you go further in the tech tree, there are upgrades to these units. Also there will be a few more basic units (w/ upgrades of course)

3. Map will contain Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Bronx, small part of New Jersey, and possibly Staten Island

4. Cities will be neighborhoods.

5. Resources will become business'.
5.1 The above means many more business (resources) wil be added.
5.2 In order to control business (work resource), you will have to extort (improve) the business (resource.)
5.3 Each neighborhood (city) will be surrounded by bussiness. To control that neighborhood you must extort the majority of business.


6. You start out with one neighborhood, and all the business extorted in your neighborhood's radius.
6.1 Each gang starts with one neighborhood.
6.2 All un-controlled neighborhoods, are neutral and controlled by the government.
6.3 To control a neighborhood you must extort the majority of busienss in it's area.
6.4 You do this by using the capo unit. It works like a worker action.
6.4.1 Extortion will take x amount of turns (depending on how big of an impact the business is.)
6.4.2 While extorting your capo can be killed by a rival family (even when not at war.)
6.4.3 Only soldati or other capos may kill capos.
6.4.4 It is best to guard your capos with soldati or associates.


7. War is a part of the game, and was a part of real life. Soldati were actually ordered to "hit the mattress'" in which they would rent apartments and throw mattress' on the floor. They would take 12 hour shifts of watching the window (or 8 hour shifts) and shoot at any rival family members outside the apartment they saw.

8. Specialists and possibly heros to be announced.

9. Infiltration of the government and a possibility of losing neighborhoods due to police force/imprisonment. <-- Haven't decided how to do this.

10. Keeping in touch with the ol' country. Having ties with the controlling family of Sicilia (Sicily.)

11. Betrayal and loss of your power.

12. New tech tree and civics.

13. More to come.
 
Current positions:
Map- (position open)
XML- Ice2k4, (position open)
Python- Corn, (position open)
SDK- Corn, (position open)
Graphics- (position open)

Screenshots/Teasers:

Completion:

Basic-
XML: 8%
C++: 0%
Python: 0%
Map: 5%
Graphics: 0%

Breakdown-
Units: 7%
Civs: 33%
Game Concepts: 2%
Tech Tree: 0%
Map: 5%
AI Enhancement: 0%

To Do List:
1)Think of a better name.
2)Get a better map-maker.
3)Everything.

Relevant Discussions:
How to Make iMaxPlayerInstances based on other units
Roll Call for Modders
 
I love this idea, maybe we can get some Sicilians in there to kick @$$.

Issue #1, I think historical fiction is the way to go.

Issue #2, a little, you need it to keep it accurate.

Issue #3, you need to at least put in the following civs, the Governments, the Jews, and the Irish. I would also reccomend some other cultures as well like the Polish.
 
ice2k4 said:
Yeh, I'm Sicilian myself, I also want to do something where you can have contact with the controlling mafia of Sicilia. It would be cool to keep ties with the ol' country.

What a coincidence, so am I.:cool:
 
This sounds like a pretty cool mod, you've got some real inventive ideas going. I'd like to see how it goes.
Everyone always says I have inventive and great ideas for mods, but I never get the needed workforce :(

What a coincidence, so am I.

Sicilian, in Virginia, I'm sure the good ol' chrisitan boys must LOVE you down there. (with a hint of sarcasm.)
 
ice2k4 said:
Sicilian, in Virginia, I'm sure the good ol' chrisitan boys must LOVE you down there. (with a hint of sarcasm.)

Northern Virginia is different from the rest of Virginia. Not all of us are racist hillbillies, just most of my state.:p
 
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Can anyone tell me where the mafia was located in New Jersey based on this map, and tell me some neighborhoods or the city (well more like sub-urban) they controlled.
 
As a New Yorker, who lives in Staten Island, I have noticed soo much russian and Italian people especially in the south, But in the north, its the "Ghetto". I lived in brooklyn for four years, in a niegborhood called Brownsville near kings highway. That way you could have Gangsters, The Mafia, and Russian Mafia, and there is also the infamous albanian mafia, Which I heard they do unorthadox things to their victims. Therte should also be pilice stations and other public buildings.

Anyway, I was planning in the near future to do a similar mod but with new york in the future(its from a book i really enjoyed.), and where the city was Closed by a Barrier covering the whole city and the uncivilized City became a Gang war. Where rivaling gangs fought each other for territory and weapons.
But at the same time the United states govt, abandoned the City and every summer they go in and have a Buisness expo (dont know why). Soo I was thinking of haveing the terrain as city streets and Resources as smaller towns but the cities as big nieborhoods. Im just throwing around some ideas. I might after im not busy with the Civ-Craft mod help you out as much as i can. Good luck and I really would like to see how this might come out.
 
Sounds pretty cool. However I am focusing on New York from 1900-1950/60. Not a lot of Russians started to immigrate until a few decades afer (same with Albanians) but I know what you mean. And btw, the Albanians don't screw around with their victims ;)
 
Having a lot of toruble with getting the WBS Convertor to build me a map. I'm pretty sure I know what the problem is, however photoshop isn't allowing a solution to the problem.

Firstly, photoshop only allows you to save files under one .bps with no color-bit specification.

Also when I go to new file, and change color-scheme to bmp, it only has 8 bit and 16 bit, whereas you need 24 bit for the convertor to work. Anyone know how to solve said problem???

Also, we still need XML editors and possibly SDK (c++ programmers) editors.

Possibly we need a python editor.

Most of the graphics will be contributed from outside sources (since there won't be too many) and I'll be getting the map done shortly.
 
ice2k4 said:
And btw, the Albanians don't screw around with their victims ;)
:lol: What does THAT mean?

and there is also the infamous albanian mafia, Which I heard they do unorthadox things to their victims.
I'm curious to know what you've heard ;)
 
7. War is a part of the game, and was a part of real life. Soldati were actually ordered to "hit the mattress'" in which they would rent apartments and throw mattress' on the floor. They would take 12 hour shifts of watching the window (or 8 hour shifts) and shoot at any rival family members outside the apartment they saw.
Button-men, hitting the mattresses, all interesting things to me! There are some things I like about the oldschool Mafia, and some elements used to be admirable (although things definitely changed). I used to read up Mafia history and knew about the 5 families of New York. I read The Godfather and a few other books of Puzo's (one of them describing Michael Corleone's stay in Sicily), and I respect Omerta since in some ways it can be similar to the Albanian Besa.

I'm intrigued almost to the point of helping out.
 
Button-men, hitting the mattresses, all interesting things to me! There are some things I like about the oldschool Mafia, and some elements used to be admirable (although things definitely changed). I used to read up Mafia history and knew about the 5 families of New York. I read The Godfather and a few other books of Puzo's (one of them describing Michael Corleone's stay in Sicily), and I respect Omerta since in some ways it can be similar to the Albanian Besa.

I'm intrigued almost to the point of helping out.

Damned, almost to the point. Hopefully I'll get you to that point soon.

Yes, I don't like the modern-day mafia. I like the old-fashioned mafia, reason why I based this game only to the 50's, 60's latest. I'm assuming you've read the Sicilian, about Micheal's stayin Sicilia. I just bought the book, but haven't had much time to read it.

Well if theres anyway you can help out, or want to help out, just let me know.

Originally Posted by ice2k4
And btw, the Albanians don't screw around with their victims
What does THAT mean?

and there is also the infamous albanian mafia, Which I heard they do unorthadox things to their victims.
I'm curious to know what you've heard

Well, ABI is becoming a problem in my school. One of them was ratted out for dealing drugs in the school, and "out of knowwhere" the kid who ratted him out hasn't been seen for quite some time.
 
ice2k4 said:
Damned, almost to the point. Hopefully I'll get you to that point soon.

Yes, I don't like the modern-day mafia. I like the old-fashioned mafia, reason why I based this game only to the 50's, 60's latest. I'm assuming you've read the Sicilian, about Micheal's stayin Sicilia. I just bought the book, but haven't had much time to read it.

Well if theres anyway you can help out, or want to help out, just let me know.



Well, ABI is becoming a problem in my school. One of them was ratted out for dealing drugs in the school, and "out of knowwhere" the kid who ratted him out hasn't been seen for quite some time.
The Sicilian, that's what it was called! Good book. There was another one I read that was very very good, but I don't remember the name.

In any case, what you're talking about isn't a mafia, but a childish gang of lowlives with nothing better to do. The lowest of the low of misguided Albanian youth, they are disgraceful and not Albanian in my book.

I'm working on a few mods which is why I'm hesitant to start on another, but I'm thinking about taking up the responsibility.
 
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