The Great Flood

[hobbsyoyo]

The point being the book of Genesis has never been proven to have been passed down orally or in written form ever. There is no proof, the Hebrews created 5 science fiction books. The only stories they ever came up with were the ones they sang about from experience.

What does this even mean and how does it actually have anything to do with what I was talking about other than you used the word 'orally'?

There is no perfect planet where radioactive data can be calculated and all the variables can be accounted for. Why do humans think their planet is the exception to that rule?

What are you talking about? Ok you don't believe in radiocarbon dating, which is actually useless for dating most rock formations (i.e. mountain ranges) so uh yeah. That's neat. What exactly are you trying to prove here?

If a date is given, a mountain range cannot be older than that date, but that does not rule out it can be way younger. The science is not at fault. It is interpretation of the data, and the variables of that data. As scientific research gets more precise, the assumed time frames keep getting blurred and running together.

Literal nonsense.

Over 200 years ago, a human suggested we do not need ancient gods. I am not sure humans ever needed ancient gods. So what was the point? Bias against current religious trends may have led to the wrong conclusion. If humans did not need them, then there is another conclusion that they actually lived among us until an event happened that changed that.

What are you talking about?

 

[Lexicus]

A mountain range is a thing whose birth takes millions of years

 

[hobbsyoyo]

A mountain range is a thing whose birth takes millions of years

Bro do you even radioactive date?

 

[Synobun]

Bro do you even radioactive date?

I get sick when I'm near women, is that radioactive dating?

 

[Berzerker]

Ice Age is not a documentary.

doh, I get it

 

[Broken_Erika]

I get sick when I'm near women, is that radioactive dating?

No, That would be an airborne strain of "Cooties"

 

[timtofly]

What does this even mean and how does it actually have anything to do with what I was talking about other than you used the word 'orally'?

What are you talking about? Ok you don't believe in radiocarbon dating, which is actually useless for dating most rock formations (i.e. mountain ranges) so uh yeah. That's neat. What exactly are you trying to prove here?

Literal nonsense.

What are you talking about?

It is not a belief in radiocarbon dating. That is a series of test done in various ways. That is not a belief system. There are several variables and constants that connot be guaranteed that put the interpretation into a certain belief that I do not think has enough merit to stand on.

Since most do not think anything major has happened, pointing out that impacts within the last 35,000 years could have messed with those constants.

Sure, if there is no record of cataclysmic events, then we may agree, it takes millions of years. I am not ruling such events out, because they were written about, and now there may be evidence as mentioned in the OP.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Sure if there I'd no record of cataclysmic events, then we may agree, it takes millions of years. I am not ruling such events out, because they were written about, and now there may be evidence as mentioned in the OP.

Are you talking about floods or mountain-building?

We've just explained to you that the youngest mountain ranges are tens of millions of years old.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Are you talking about floods or mountain-building?

We've just explained to you that the youngest mountain ranges are tens of millions of years old.

Thank you for sharing your vastly superior knowledge with us mere forum members.

Now, what were those qualifications you have that we lack again? Just in case anyone asks @timtofly who explained these arcane mysteries to li'l ol' him.

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[stinkubus]

If there actually was a flood which covered that much land in water how in the world did anyone live to tell the tale?

 

[Bugfatty300]

And what happened to all that water?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

If there actually was a flood which covered that much land in water how in the world did anyone live to tell the tale?

In an ark, by all accounts.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

And how did the penguins know they were supposed to swim to Asia, walk across a desert, and get on a boat where they would spend the next year totally out of their proper habitat, without their proper food?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And how did the penguins know they were supposed to swim to Asia, walk across a desert, and get on a boat where they would spend the next year totally out of their proper habitat, without their proper food?

I've speculated that they were led by a crazy penguin lady who was banished to the antarctic due to her total lack of human social skills.

 

[stinkubus]

The idea that a drunkard built a ship, thousands of years ago, without the benefit of modern technology, that would be superior to any sailing vessel mankind has since devised is ludicrous.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The idea that a drunkard built a ship, thousands of years ago, without the benefit of modern technology, that would be superior to any sailing vessel mankind has since devised is ludicrous.

The idea that God, who is credited in the same account with creating the entire cosmos, would find itself reliant on human skills to craft this ark, is incongruent. The bible is full of examples where God instructs a person to make an extraordinary effort, all the while demonstrating that the effort is appreciated by God but not actually needed to get the result. The key element is having the faith to make the effort. The ability to produce the result is never demonstrably present in the human. Whether it is a man building an ark, or a commander releasing almost all of his forces before going into battle with an already vastly superior force, or a mortal man transcending death, the lesson of the story is always the same.

 

[timtofly]

Be prepared.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Be prepared.

I was thinking more like: follow the instructions no matter how impossible the promised outcome seems to be.

 

[Berzerker]

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-biblical-type-floods-real-absolutely-enormous

more flood legends tied into the scablands of E Washington

And what happened to all that water?

that question is one of the reasons I thought the bible was hokum

The idea that a drunkard built a ship, thousands of years ago, without the benefit of modern technology, that would be superior to any sailing vessel mankind has since devised is ludicrous.

According to a Mesopotamian version "Noah" had shipbuilders and a captain provided by the god Enki and the 'ark' was possibly a submersible craft...I think

 

[timtofly]

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-biblical-type-floods-real-absolutely-enormous

more flood legends tied into the scablands of E Washington



that question is one of the reasons I thought the bible was hokum



According to a Mesopotamian version "Noah" had shipbuilders and a captain provided by the god Enki and the 'ark' was possibly a submersible craft...I think

The biblical account though, does not take it's information from other accounts, for the very reason that in the Genesis account it comes before seasons and ice ages. Noah was in the event that changed everything, and of course there were hundreds if not thousand of local floods after it.

That is not trying to make the biblical account exaggerated. That is pointing out the logical progression of the text itself.

The question is not where did all that water go. It would be how did a molten super heated earth get water in the first place, given it's position in the solar system. There is evidence of pangea, and at face value, the writers said as much. Time is relative and perhaps at one point it was accelerated. How would we have decay and change if there was no time at all? Is living in a perfect world without change even possible and how would the writings even show such ideas that we ourselves barely grasp? I guess the default answer would be it is all made up fiction, unless it is not.

Humans get some knowledge from experience and some from figuring things out, but the thoughts we have in our mind are not always ours from experience and just figuring things out. Especially if there are times when it would seem such knowledge has no reason to be there in the first place.