The inability to take a scathing remark

[carlosMM]

Here's what happened:


One guy pulls the other on the shirt.
The other replies: 'If you really want it, you can have it after the game'.
First guy goes nuts and says: 'We all know you're the son of a terrorist whore'
Second guy knocks first guy down by ramming his head into the other guys sternum.


Absolutely normal human stupidity, on both sides, especially as the first remark was neither especially condescending or insulting, actually, it was kind of funny.

But this is no ordinardy fight at a bar, this happened in the soccer world cup finals. And both have to blow up. One uses an insult that should get him red-carded and banned for 5 games, the other resorts to physical violence and gets himself red-carded in his last ever game.




Why oh why are those people who have nothing better to do than be professional players not learned that this profession requires a thicker hide? Why have these people not learned that their inability to just ignore morons and areseholes costs them the greatest triumphs?

OK, so it seems the little mean bastard repeated the inuslt several times. Now, if one decides to escalate the situation and use violence, then why keep it to something that the other guy will lauhg about the next day?

And why are so many people unable to take a remark of the kind Zidane made and either stuff it, or come up with a similar reply? Why do they have to be so aggressively insulting? matterazi says he is not as fault because Zidane 'looked condescendingly down at me'.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

This argument is already raging in the Sports Threads.

Also, Matterazzi didn't say "terrorist".

 

[carlosMM]

This is not about sports. This is about the inability to take a scathing remark, and the inability to ignore insults. I deliberately opened the topic with no refernce to the game and people involved.

Also, matterazzi claims not to have said 'terrorist', but the lip-readers say he did, repeatedly. he is a little liar anyways, so why believe him now?

 

[Xenocrates]

It's about casus beli!!

Did the Italian have a good casus beli to insult the Frenchman? Did the Frenchman have a good casus beli to headbut the Italian?

 

[Stylesjl]

Because professional sports have no garuntee of intelligence. Which is why that anyone who allows a sportsman to become their role model is stupid

 

[classical_hero]

This issue has been done to death over at sports. Perhaps that issue is starting to be OT, so maybe we could move it here.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

"No I'm not"

*scores penalty*

Moderator Action: Kindly make your point without resorting to that language.

 

[Rik Meleet]

If such a situation happened on CFC then the witty member should (ideally) report it. The Moderators would see the name-calling member should get a warning (or worse). Seeing the history of the name-caller he would receive a long ban.
However, since the witty member retaliated he'd be warned/banned for playing moderator.

 

[Grisu]

"You're the son of a terrorist **** you ***** %^&*^%$%&&!!!!"
"No I'm not"

*scores penalty*

indeed. I never understood how people can be so freaked out by mere words as to fall back to violence. I know many people view it as weakness to not react to such idiot remarks. I for one see it as a weakness if you have to react with violnece to such an act.

 

[AceChilla]

Son of a terrorist whore is a pretty good insult. It degrades your opponents race, religion and mother at the same time. Now that efficieny.

But actually it was all about candy

http://zidanewantscandy.ytmnd.com/

 

[carlosMM]

Because professional sports have no garuntee of intelligence. Which is why that anyone who allows a sportsman to become their role model is stupid

True, no guarantee of intelligence. But then, doing sports myself, I am startiing to wonder where that ONE BIG THING you need has gone in these people: self control!

Without that, you will not train hard enough, you will not be in shape, you will not be able to ignore (and thus be dragged down by) bad luck.



So they should be quite good at it, however stupid they are. Why aren't they? because the stakes are that high?????

 

[sanabas]

True, no guarantee of intelligence. But then, doing sports myself, I am startiing to wonder where that ONE BIG THING you need has gone in these people: self control!

Without that, you will not train hard enough, you will not be in shape, you will not be able to ignore (and thus be dragged down by) bad luck.


So they should be quite good at it, however stupid they are. Why aren't they? because the stakes are that high?????

Two different sorts of self control I think. Training, being in shape, overcoming setbacks, etc, all require high degrees of self motivation, of dedication, of convincing yourself it's worth putting in the effort. But that's mostly long term stuff. Stupidly overreacting to somebody winding you up is a split second decision. There are many, many examples of elite sportsmen with all the self control in the world when it comes to training, and none whatsoever when it comes to thinking with brains instead of testosterone. That includes situations outside high stakes, high pressure environments like tournament finals. Plenty of overreactions from elite sportsmen out in public.

 

[carlosMM]

sanabas: that really may be the explaination (doh! why didn't I think of it).

 

[col]

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

I'd certainly have wanted to humiliate my opponent - perhaps a stepover or two followed by a nutmeg followed by backheeling the ball for the winning goal. (in my dreams)

And then taken my shirt off and given it to him.

 

[Stylesjl]

True, no guarantee of intelligence. But then, doing sports myself, I am startiing to wonder where that ONE BIG THING you need has gone in these people: self control!

Without that, you will not train hard enough, you will not be in shape, you will not be able to ignore (and thus be dragged down by) bad luck.



So they should be quite good at it, however stupid they are. Why aren't they? because the stakes are that high?????

You really think that applies to controlling themselves not to land a fist in someone's face? Sportsman shouldn't be held to higher standards or regard then anyone else

 

[Shaihulud]

I am sad that Zidane did something like this, now he would be remember for this single stupid incident rather than for his usual coolness. I blame that Italian hothead, he is a mean jealous little midget.

 

[carlosMM]

You really think that applies to controlling themselves not to land a fist in someone's face? Sportsman shouldn't be held to higher standards or regard then anyone else

you're right, as sanabas pointed out before the self control they train in seems not to extend to situations as this one.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

Retaliation occurs a great deal of the time, and often does not turn out well for the bloke who responds. I'm not really sure about soccer, but in the sports I've taken part in, the most focused great players simply put their head down and get on with it.

In a sporting match, the most effective retort is "Look at the scoreboard", and making it suit your purposes.

From seeing it on the news broadcast on the electric television, it looked like the bloke just lost his cool. Stupidity.

Also, he didn't even headbutt him properly. If you are going to get sent off for violence in a Grand Final, you should at least do it properly, and nut the bloke square on the snout.

 

[PrinceOfLeigh]

In a sporting match, the most effective retort is "Look at the scoreboard", and making it suit your purposes.

In my Rugby days that was always my favourite. Although I was hit over the head with a video camera by saying it to a supporter once.

 

[Simon Darkshade]

There are ways of getting them so that the umpire doesn't see. As for spectators, one never bothered to address them if they were silly; on the other hand, witty banter is most amusing if either side is getting flogged and it is quiet.