The IRA... terrorists, or patriots?

[Che Guava]

But there are hundreds of catholics in the north that wan't to be part of the Republic. They can't be simply ignored.

Yes, the hundreds of catholics in the north that are the minority, and the others whoa are the majority. That's the relevance.

 

[Communisto]

Yes, the hundreds of catholics in the north that are the minority, and the others whoa are the majority. That's the relevance.

It's not as if they're Democrats and Republicans. These people are separated by religion, idealogy, blood and culture. That democracy bull doesn't aply because these people don't feel unified under a common belief to allow democracy to "work".

 

[Kyriakos]

Perhaps they could partition it, like they seem to plan to do with kossovo, ie one part goes to the irish/catholic, one part to the english/protestant, with exchange of fortunes on each part. Although such divisions inevitably create other problems, moreso if one city (eg Ulster) is divisioned in half.
btw: what is the population of northern ireland?

 

[Communisto]

Perhaps they could partition it, like they seem to plan to do with kossovo, ie one part goes to the irish/catholic, one part to the english/protestant, with exchange of fortunes on its part. Although such divisions inevitably create other problems, moreso if one city (eg Ulster) is divisioned in half.
btw: what is the population of northern ireland?

Ulster isn't a city, it's the Irish word for Northern Ireland. Partition won't work. One way or another, this struggle has to end once and for all with some kind of change. It is obvious that the status quo doesn't work.

 

[prokid123]

Ulster isn't a city, it's the Irish word for Northern Ireland. Partition won't work. One way or another, this struggle has to end once and for all with some kind of change. It is obvious that the status quo doesn't work.

Agreed. This cant go on too much longer. Somethings got to give. I am tired of seeing dead (on both sides). The UK has to take responsibility and do something about this problem. Maybe meet with the Sinn Fein instead of ignoring them and come to some kind of agreement.
And dont even try to pin this on the IRA or any splinter organization. Right now, all teh Unionists are hurting the peace process much more.
And to ever said I was all about killing British, you are terribly wrong and need to read my posts more closely and learn the facts.

 

[h4ppy]

Ireland is already partitioned between the Catholic and Protestant areas and you want to partition it again?

 

[Communisto]

Agreed. This cant go on too much longer. Somethings got to give. I am tired of seeing dead (on both sides). The UK has to take responsibility and do something about this problem. Maybe meet with the Sinn Fein instead of ignoring them and come to some kind of agreement.
And dont even try to pin this on the IRA or any splinter organization. Right now, all teh Unionists are hurting the peace process much more.
And to ever said I was all about killing British, you are terribly wrong and need to read my posts more closely and learn the facts.

Good points, but the Irish Government also has to take responsibility.

 

[Hotpoint]

not in as many numbers as the Irish.

Have you got a source for that?

 

[nonconformist]

It's not as if they're Democrats and Republicans. These people are separated by religion, idealogy, blood and culture. That democracy bull doesn't aply because these people don't feel unified under a common belief to allow democracy to "work".

Utter twaddle.
There is no "huge divide".
The vast majority of people just don't give a damn. In the UK, there are relatively few C of E people, let alone Catholcis anymore.
You're professing the mentality all-too-common in places like the Orange Order, who refuse to allow people to carry on with their lives.

Ulster isn't a city, it's the Irish word for Northern Ireland. Partition won't work. One way or another, this struggle has to end once and for all with some kind of change. It is obvious that the status quo doesn't work.

Again, this is crap. There is no struggle.
There has been no British violence in Ireland since the 1980's. The IRA has not carried outr violence on the British homeland for years.
People are quite happy with the status quo, and it is working quite fine, thank you very much.
It's idiots who throw pipe-bopmbs and refuse to listen to democracy who are straining everybody's patience.

 

[brennan]

ah yes, churchill the butcher.

lol, and just yesterday the British were 'hitlerite'! If hitler was so bad how come you are bad-mouthing his staunchest opponent?

 

[TrailblazingScot]

acaly i was jokeing alot

i dont think ther terrorist, but i dont think the british are bad eather

You are a complete and utter ******.

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- just read his posts as regarding this thread including this tripe:

The ira are heros, figting for the freedom of ther nation and agisnt evil british rule!
the brits need to get thear a$$ out of other ppls lands, and govren thear own!!
Leave the irish alone, havent u killed enofe of them britian!?
go back to your weak and dwindling homeland, alow the mighter irish to rebuild ther homes and alow them freedom. accept ther domince over u, ull have to sooner or later
thay have never murdered any one, thay have only despinced justice!
ther not terrorist, ther freedom fighters, ther defending ther homes, famlies, and livelyhoods..

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Why he hasn't been banned (lets say, forever) for them is beyond me, speaking as someone with blood on both sides of the conflict.

Ever since equal Civil Rights in N.Ireland the need for violence is 0. But, for many it is a way to make money (drugs, extortion) in a situation where police have to be "sensitive" versus one where they're arrested like the gangland thugs they are.

Interesting how much progress in recent times came after that bank robbery, I wonder who they had dirt on to force a deal.

 

[TrailblazingScot]

Agreed. This cant go on too much longer. Somethings got to give. I am tired of seeing dead (on both sides). The UK has to take responsibility and do something about this problem. Maybe meet with the Sinn Fein instead of ignoring them and come to some kind of agreement.
And dont even try to pin this on the IRA or any splinter organization. Right now, all teh Unionists are hurting the peace process much more.
And to ever said I was all about killing British, you are terribly wrong and need to read my posts more closely and learn the facts.

The Good Friday Agreement and the whole peace process is obviously a mystery to you. Hell, the people of Eire even voted not to take N.Ireland back and I don't blame them. The best deal all around is devolution, but Sinn Fein/IRA messed that up first time around by bugging political opponents.

 

[Communisto]

lol, and just yesterday the British were 'hitlerite'! If hitler was so bad how come you are bad-mouthing his staunchest opponent?

read up boyo. Gray.

 

[ellie]

Should add that my friends i have talked to in the republic are quite sure they do not want reunification, or to inherit the trouble, and finiancial burden NI would bring.

Personally im of the view that 'causes' are nothing to do with the violence from either side anymore.

As for britain 'holding on to NI ' im sure the government would love to be able to break ties to NI

 

[brennan]

read up boyo. Gray.

I will if you will, you'd probably be speaking German right now if it wasn't for Churchill.

What the hell is gray supposed to mean? AFAIK its the US version of grey.

 

[Communisto]

I will if you will, you'd probably be speaking German right now if it wasn't for Churchill.

What the hell is gray supposed to mean? AFAIK its the US version of grey.

That's not the point. If it wasn't for hitler you'd be hailing the red flag, does that mean hitler is good? There's an old saying called "the lesser of two evils"

 

[brennan]

If it wasn't for hitler you'd be hailing the red flag

I'd like to see you prove that.

 

[nonconformist]

I think this thread has run its course, and is, as we say here, flogging the dead horse.

 

[LoughlinNR]

I'd like to see you prove that.

Im guessing Communisto played a bit too much Red Alert. Would we have our minds controlled by the soviets aswell?

 

[LoughlinNR]

Oh and nonconformist your absolutely right, this thread seems to have a problem with plastic paddys who talk about something that happened 400 years ago as if it happened yesterday, the fact is they know nothing of Ireland or the IRA, the IRA's ranks are not filled with patriots but with thugs, to them its about maiming not unification, and how about Ireland decides its fate? If the majority of N Irish want to stay with the UK and a majority of R Irish don’t want NI back then what’s the problem? The conflict would of ended ages ago if 'Irish' in America didn’t fund the Thugs.