The least deserving civilization?

[DMOC]

Probably Native Americans.

 

[Onagan]

I voted for the Zulu's, Holy Romans & Celts. I don't think the Zulu's & Celts did anything big, and the Holy Romans? that's a 1000 year period of the Germans (ethnic group, not the country).

China & India don't have 1/5 of the world population. The have over 1/3 of the worldpopulation (36.7%)

 

[Kawalimus]

None. They should all be in there, and even more. Who cares if they all weren't major powers? It's all for fun to play as em.

 

[The Fishman]

None.

You don't want any civs in the game!?

 

[Desert-Fox]

I put Holy Romans, they were just empire, that's like Austria-Hungary or Western Rome or Lithuanian-Poland Union... civilization is something else and also I think Americans should be just English and nothing more but I see why Americans are in because the market purposes. I think in US there is a lot of players who never play above settler/chieftain level but play always Americans. They have no idea what are traits, they want to be peaceful builders, they win usually by score if they even win... and if they win by space in settler then they think that game is done and they are great.

 

[AfterShafter]

I think there are people like that in just about any region where they play Civ Desertfox I have a German friend who won't play Germany because their leaders are Prussian, and a Dutch friend who won't touch anyone but Willem. Neither of them plays past Noble.

 

[mboettcher]

I don't really have any problem with sumeria or babylon but aren't they redundant? I mean its the same people in the same place, just evolved. Sure They are two different periods of consolidation a thousand years apart but its really the rise and fall of the same people.

Speaking of nations that didn't make the cut for some odd reason what about Some sort of post-Roman italian representation or what about Austria for God's sake. The Holy Roman Empire is in there cause you can't possibly ignore its importance in European history and sure Austria, Germany and HRE histories are completely intertwined but Austria was a major power from the early middle ages until the end of world war I and it played a big role in WWII as well.

Anyway I voted for the Native Americans since technically they are the only non-civilization on this list. Sure its not pc but it is what it is.

 

[Turquoiside]

I'm surprised at Mali's number of votes. Mali was the most influential county in Africa for almost half of the 11th century, and one of the world powers at the time. If America is in it, so should Mali. And on Zulu, if I'm right on their origin, they were South Africa's trade powerhouse. Arabia is a trading civ, just as Portugal and the Dutch were. So was Zululand, just as much as warmongers.

 

[mboettcher]

I completely Agree with all of his comments.

Anyway, I think most Germans would recognize they're nation as originally forming around a racial group, just like the English or French do. Long before Germany was a unified nation, the region was still known as Germany and the people Identified themselves as Germans (though like any other peoples they identified with their more local region as well) Bavarians called themselves Bavarians and the Prussians and even the austrians (though I think they should have their own civ) were the same but they all recognized themselves as Germans being separate from Poles, Dutch or French.

Anyway, the problem with the Germans and dividing them into a civ or civs is not easier or going to be completely correct ever. Their influence on history is far too significant as a group to be discounted. Unforetunately they've unified, non-unified and semiunified so many times that you can't call them a continuous nation like you can England or France.
The HRE, while heavily intertwined with the history of Germany, can't be entirey attached to being "just a phase". Its unique political and social make-up and, like the US, its enormous economic, cultural, religous, and military influence means it can't be left out, even if its not technically a civilization. The same can be said about Austria, even if its a feudal state then nation rather than a "civilization".

Its a tough problem because once you start adding all these nations then what about the Germans as a racial group. Their unified effect can't be ignored either...

 

[ICNP]

Yeah I could see voting for America. I'd vote for the french but that's more just prejudice. Mongolia should be on the list because as stated they aren't civilized.
I think there does need to be more Eastern European Inclusion. Maybe I'm not that Historical but as far as I remember Ethiopia's crowning achievement is not being conquered by the Europeans. However the leader who accomplished this is not their leader? Maybe I need to read up on the Civlopedia.
Mali was a very rich african power with lots of wealth thanks to their leader Mansa. However they weren't very long lasting just as the Khmer. I should have voted for them but I just did Native Americans, Maya, and Holy Rome.

 

[Lexicus]

America's only been around for like 230 years. I would vote for them. I voted "every civ deserves to be in the game" because all the ones on the list do.

Although Native America is just a . .. .. .. .in made-up civ, too.

 

[SilentHunter]

Yeah I could see voting for America. I'd vote for the french but that's more just prejudice. Mongolia should be on the list because as stated they aren't civilized.
I think there does need to be more Eastern European Inclusion. Maybe I'm not that Historical but as far as I remember Ethiopia's crowning achievement is not being conquered by the Europeans. However the leader who accomplished this is not their leader? Maybe I need to read up on the Civlopedia.
Mali was a very rich african power with lots of wealth thanks to their leader Mansa. However they weren't very long lasting just as the Khmer. I should have voted for them but I just did Native Americans, Maya, and Holy Rome.

- Mongolia, was not a civilization: then how do you call their common tactics, their common diplomatic patterns and their traditions? The fact that they conquered every kingdom/empire in the old world but western europe is enough for me.

- There were lots of rich, developped and powerfull empires in Africa. Maybe Zoulous do not deserve to be here, but who wants Shaka out?

- French out? Yes, that would be a good idea for sure. Their UU is useless and has no historical background (French army moving faster under Louis 14? AFAIK, that's not what happened), and UB is a joke (it's just like worst than the normal building).

- England out too. Their UB is ok, but the red guys are jokes. When did they grab any land from their european counterpart? All the english diplomaty since they ceased to be french (meaning when repulsed by the eastern french, they lost all their possessions in the west of France), has aimed at destroying french and then german power, using all the other european countries to counter them. As both France and Germany tried to invade them, they survived only due to the Royal Navy. Give them a Man-O-War, that's what they were good at.

- Germany was the major power in europe since 1870. After this date they replaced the french as the major military power. They are now third economical power of the world, and the only western country with huge positive commercial balance.

 

[EweezE]

Just because you are anti America doesn't mean you should nix out Native America. I think there's a lot of anti American sentiment here and it's throwing off the polls. Native America belongs! They are the first true people of the Americas (or North America). There are too many European civs in the game if you ask me. Why get rid of the Natives? We already stole their land. Now we are just going to steal away their right to be in CivIV? I'm disappointed in the polls thus far

I didn't vote. I abstained. I would actually like to see more civs as Supr49er mentioned in post #2.

 

[Lexicus]

I would love to see more Civs as well, but I think that "Native America" is a stupid civilization name. Have the Iroquois, Algonquin, Hopewell, etc.

 

[zenspiderz]

Unsurprisingly native america is the poll leader. I mean those guys never even managed to get beyond the ancient era in terms of tech. By 1800AD Native american techs amounted to mysticism, hunting and archery... and er... that's it..

 

[Carver]

Holy Rome, although my personal preference is for them all to be in there.

 

[Renner]

I voted for Native American Empire and the Zulu.

Zulu, because they were fairly short lived. Wrong place, wrong time i suppose, when people came with guns, it was over for them. That said, i'm fine with the Zulu civ, but there are other civs i'd rather see in.

Native American Empire, because it didn't exist, At least the Holy Roman Empire existed. I'd much rather see a specific tribe such as the Iroquios or Sioux, I cringe a little bit whenever I see this generic civ.

 

[Fireseal]

This thread says more about the person who made the poll choices than it does about the original thread content.

 

[Duuk]

Unsurprisingly native america is the poll leader. I mean those guys never even managed to get beyond the ancient era in terms of tech. By 1800AD Native american techs amounted to mysticism, hunting and archery... and er... that's it..

They got Horseback Riding before they got conquered though. But I'm pretty sure they had tech diffusion mod running and just got it that way.

 

[EweezE]

Native American Empire, because it didn't exist, At least the Holy Roman Empire existed. I'd much rather see a specific tribe such as the Iroquios or Sioux, I cringe a little bit whenever I see this generic civ.

It is good that it's generic. The reason being, that it leaves the door open to add more great Native Americans ("Indians") in future expansion packs, patches or mods. Maybe they will add a famous Iroquios, Huron, Cherokee, etc.. leader next time.

Unsurprisingly native america is the poll leader. I mean those guys never even managed to get beyond the ancient era in terms of tech. By 1800AD Native american techs amounted to mysticism, hunting and archery... and er... that's it..

The Native Americans had all sorts of techs going for them. Clothing, Pottery, Weaponry, Religion, Their own Language, Horseback Riding, Shrooms, Peace Pipe, etc.. to name a few. If you are going to take out the Native Americans then you are going to have to eliminate the corn resource from the game as well. The Natives need more leaders, rather than just the Sioux tribe being represented.