The Left Fails Yet Again

[Cloud_Strife]

I hate to say it, but their were dirt poor, generous, forward-thinking, benevolent, and even responsible people within the Boomers generation. They're just not the ones the stereotypes you're spewing are built around.

But they do not control the apparatus of power and they tend to be economically conservative. The buck stops at the top and for the time being they are at the top.

 

[rah]

There are a lot of boomers that are no where near the apex of power yet you condemn them all. Sounds very similar to racism.

Get all you young friends out to vote instead of whining, that's how you get to the top.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

It's too late you've already stacked the system in favour of yourself and whenever we try to change it you ask us to stop or water it down to the point of it being ineffective.

Heck, you even gaslight us and tell us centrism is the only way forward when it's done nothing but enable the status quo.

 

[Estebonrober]

A public option will probably be necessary since there is no mandate to have insurance. It screws up the pools to much without some healthy participation.
Subsidized levels are up for discussion. I'm up for free community junior college, but not free all the way. It has to cost something or people will abuse it.

There are some that are asking for open borders, but not enough for it to every be taken seriously.

The point is I'm not totally locked in on any solutions, but would be open to discussion. I might actually bend more than you'd think, but we're the enemy so nothing will be done.

I could meet you somewhere around all that. . . honestly the rhetoric is not bad. I like Warren because I think that is where negotiations need to begin. I'm not totally unrealistic about reality or anything. I am sick of nothing moving forward. Forty years of the the top 10% getting more and more and more while the other 90% squanders needs to end. . . now.

 

[rah]

Heck, you even gaslight us and tell us centrism is the only way forward when it's done nothing but enable the status quo.

No, I was stating my OPINION and accept that I might be wrong. Last time I checked, I have that right. Are you claiming that if I don't agree with you that I don't. What have you accomplished in defeating the status quo? Numbers will win. Action will hasten it. Not sitting around whining.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Numbers won't win because the system is stacked, never mind voter suppression from the gop.

 

[Estebonrober]

In Cloud's defense I have yet to meet a boomer who supports actual change in healthcare, education, policing, defense. Plenty of Gen X though.

 

[rah]

I'm not the only boomer here that supports most (if not all) of those.

You guys obviously don't read.

But it's futile to argue against those with such hate. Just like it's futile to argue with racists.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Your generation has been written off because too many of you vote for conservatives be they D or R.

 

[rah]

Yes we all walked in goosestep together. What a sad opinion. If You're the future maybe I should prefer that you don't get off your asses and vote.
God, substitute blacks in that statement and guess what you sound like.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I can't wait to hear the average white boomers view on race

 

[rah]

You'll just condemn them all anyway so what's the point. Racists hate blacks to make themselves feel superior. Are you feeling superior?

But I've had enough of you blind hatred tonight so I'm going to call it day. Good night

 

[Broken_Erika]

I can't wait to hear the average white boomers view on race

How do you get an average when "White Boomers" range from literal Nazi's to Hippie Flower children and everything in between?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Unfortunately most of the hippies are either gone or became conservative.

 

[Estebonrober]

I'm not the only boomer here that supports most (if not all) of those.

You guys obviously don't read.

But it's futile to argue against those with such hate. Just like it's futile to argue with racists.

I meant in person. But yea my stating repeatedly that I would compromise on these topics with you and that I have voted repeatedly to move things ast least marginally my direction indicates that the future you desire is doomed. . . you are talking past me.

 

[Peuri]

Interesting that @rah you think it is the lack of compromise that is the problem. Imho, it is that the democrats (and other parties like the SPD in Germany) have been far too eager to compromise, and have completely sold out both their ideals and their promises to the point where the two big parties are virtually indistinguishable on important problems (the problems of capitalism, globalization, technology, drifting wages, climate change, etc.) and only disagree on less important (sorry, not trying to downplay anyone's struggles) current issues (idpol, political correctness, etc.)

this is by the way also one of the main reasons why close to no one wants to vote SPD in today's Germany. of course there are other, more diverse reasons, but this imo is the major one.
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Ain't that the truth! The left has basically ceded the economic game to the right with the "third way" after the embarrasment of the soviet system. Why isn't there constant outrage about rent-seeking activities by the financial elites, multinational companies exploiting tax loopholes in free trade agreements, how these companies are making countries compete with taxation for their investments, how we are letting these companies' negative externalities be paid by the global poor and future generations and how their tax avoidance is plunging welfare states into increased taxation, cycles of dept or austerity. It's basically what Lenin talks about in Imperialism, that the ruling class has bought the working class in the developed nations with trinkets. People just don't care, because they like their gadget at 5,99€ delivered by Amazon to their door, and not 59,99€ from your local brick and mortar. It is infuriating! And we're all guilty parties in it.

Instead the left is flailing about with buzzwords about cultural issues. Especially the very Internet people who splash in a puddle about "gamers" being mean, or what ever. It's like being in a gilded cage. With the risk of being called a "Strasserite" (which seems to be the term for the universalist heretic for a portion of the intersectional left), I think that Angela Nagel is basically right in that the intersectional left is neoliberalism in disguise, and the terminology surrounding it is just an aesthetic.

I'm not even calling for some socialist revolution, that would end up badly as always, but only to make the markets more accountable and fair. Currently the big multinational companies can exploit their size to compete unfairly, and exploit the lack of negative externality taxes to gain abnormal profits by poisoning the planet and making everyone else pay for it in the end.

Population decline in Japan is probably harming growth (since historically it is an important growth factor), but like the rest of the world they are having trouble increasing productivity much as well. imo this is because of our incredibly wasteful modern consumer societies - if people learned to do without buying less garbage we'd all be much better off.

Implying that the economic growth is not about buying more garbage.

 

[Zardnaar]

Unfortunately most of the hippies are either gone or became conservative.

The numbers are on the Dems side they just live in the wrong places.

Capitalism in the modern era has never really worked that well outside of a few decades perhaps the late 1930s to the early 1970s. Biggest problem is no one's managed to invent anything better.

Best thing for the working class in the West at least was WW2. Quite interesting what you find at the University library.

 

[Akka]

We rely on growing population numbers to feed our continued economic growth

Maybe that's the part we all should work on ?
Because unless you get the magic for an infinite-sized planet, keeping the population increasing through whatever mean available (either natural growth or immigration) is just making the problem worse instead of fixing it.

Sounds like what a lot of racists claim. Judge people as individuals or you're no better then them.

I admit, it's pretty ironic to see (as is so often the case) the guy who makes fighting racism the cornerstone of his self-professed values, acting exactly the same way as the persons he claim to despises.
Yet again, an example why I put much more worth in the way people think than the values they pretend to defend.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

 

[rah]

Blah Blah Blah, you found someone on the internet that agrees with you. That must have been real tough. Probably another whiny millennial.