The lets just shoot Timothy McVeigh petition

RedWolf · May 22, 2001

Fearless Leader:

Is all that true? Who tried them "in absentia"?

Have we actually found something that we "sort of" agree upon? *gasp*

mike · May 21, 2001

Heres something noone seems to remeber, Tim wanted to die, he asked for it. It wasnt till the FBI documents came to light he changed his mind.

But how many of you were there when the bomb blew? Or within a 200 mile radius of the blast? How many of you know him or the victims or where the victims to at least make this case personal?

I find it funny how something that didnt have an effect on someone can turn them into a crazed fanatic, just because they saw it on the news or read it in the paper.

Archbob · May 21, 2001

You should be put to death for certain crimes. Killing 100 people is one of those crimes which should be death. I don't think it good for revenge, but for the sake of fair justice, he should be killed.

I personally prefer the code of hammurabi to our current laws. I know this sounds too harsh for most of you but eye for eye is fair
trial.

Far_Striker · May 21, 2001

Here's what I said earlier:

"-McVeigh still knows to much, if he dies, all the information and the truth of the bombing go down with him.
-Many of the survivors of the blast would rather see him suffer in prison for the rest of his life. It's the victims' families that want to see him executed.
-He wants to be seen as a martyr for his anti-government cause (he will have been killed by the system), not a good thing IMO."

Secondly, how is "eye for an eye," fair? I'm not seeing this. How is the ruling of twelve civilians to have a man killed who killed other men, any less barbaric then the crime itself. Look at all those cases where innocent people were killed because they were issued the Death Penalty for crimes they didn't even commit? Try to tell their families that the ruling was fair...BTW, do you want to know why McVeigh confessed to the crimes...because he wants to take the sole crediit for the bombing...I'm sure there were many other people involved in the bombing, but even the media and the FBI itself want to make McVeigh and Nichols out to be the only conspirators.

BTW, where did you hear of McVeigh being a Neo-Nazi? I've never heard that before.

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Archbob · May 22, 2001

Hey if we enforced that code, there would be much less crime.

I bet it we changed detention in school to lashings, there wouldn't be as many students skipping class.

mike · May 22, 2001

I have to agree with "Eye for an Eye" because it would work...

try it once an see

Far_Striker · May 22, 2001

You're gravely mistaken. Most criminals know going into a crime that they're going to possibly get a death penalty. They're fully conscious of that. What they fear more is having their life thrown away in a prison cell for the rest of eternity. Massachusets has no death penalty, and since the institution of the law, crime has decreased. Sorry, I know the facts hurt...I'm really sorry.

Mike: We have been trying "eye for an eye" for thousands of years, and as far as I can see, people still kill people...in my opinion it doesn't work. Not saying any other punishment would keep people from killing, but crimes have certainly not decreased or stopped in those thousand plus years, thus, it hasn't succeeded.

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[This message has been edited by Far_Striker (edited May 22, 2001).]

FearlessLeader2 · May 23, 2001

Originally posted by RedWolf:
Fearless Leader:

Is all that true? Who tried them "in absentia"?

Have we actually found something that we "sort of" agree upon? *gasp*

The county court where the Ruby Ridge shootings took place started the procedure, declared it a capital case, and it was handed up to the state level. On the state level, Reno and the gunman were tried in absentia (legal term for a trial for an unextradited criminal), and convicted of first degree murder, accessory, and conspiracy. Both were sentenced to death. Thus far, I have heard nothing about any appeals, but given that unlawful flight to avoid prosecution is one of the charges, I doubt any appeal would succeed.

It won't happen that way in Waco, good ole Klinton pardoned her for her involvement in that butchery.

Mind you, none of this is intended by me to add one shred of credibility to McVeigh. He is as bad as Reno, and both deserve to die for their brutal crimes. Yet, Reno deserves it more, because she was an agent of the courts at the time, and sworn to uphold the law. She violated her oath when she did these terrible crimes, and the real tragedy in all of this is that the media is not reporting any of this.

Mongol Horde · May 23, 2001

Has anybody heard of something called the "new world order"? I watched a really interesting documentary the other night where the English documentary maker was following this American guy trying to expose the goings on at somewhere called "Bohemian Grove". Apparently all the most important people in the world meet their and practice satanism, the guy sneaked into the grounds and actually got footage of all the people at this billionaires summer camp dressed in white robes and worshipping an owl god. This particular meeting took place on Apr19th every year and the American guy said that Waco & the Oklahoma bombing were on the same day. He was implying that the new world order were sacrificing American people and that they were responsible for those two tragedies.

The whole thing seemed too crazy to believe, does anybody know anything about it?

mike · May 24, 2001

We havent been trying eye for an eye in america, gotta at least try 1st before you say it wouldnt work.

But I dont think school lashings would work, parenting would. Being a parent you have some conrtol of what your kids do from day 1 to 18 years old. If you cant get them in school maybe you need to put the spanking on em and not getting someone else too. This defenitly works. I tried it once, then I was caught, my dad showed up and slapped the piss outta me in front of all my freinds at school, talk about embarissing! Never did it twice though.

gjts00 · May 23, 2001

I think that 'ol Timmy should be strapped to a bomb & be forced to watch the timer tick down to the final second.

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Far_Striker · May 23, 2001

I think that 'ol Timmy should be strapped to a bomb & be forced to watch the timer tick down to the final second.

Thanks for illustrating my point for me. This is what I've been getting at; that's just barbaric...how are you any better then he if you do that?

As for that whole New World Order stuff, I personally think it's a bunch of bull and the guy who came up with it clearly has nothing better to do then make these things up, and stage "authentic footage" at the local city park. I think that because of the fall in popularity and influence of the Freemasons, these people needed to create a new breed of "crazies" to blame.

Mike, what do you mean we haven't practiced "eye for an eye." It's always been my understanding that what this term means is killing someone who has killed someone. It's called the death penalty and it usually is the price for most murderers (at least those over 18.)

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BorderPatrol · May 23, 2001

If they had lashed me for skipping school then I would have lashed back. As it is though they didn't and I don't have any violence in me whatsoever. Violence begets violence. I am totally with far striker. I think the best way to make sure he suffers is by making him sit in prison for the rest of his life. Too bad everyone just wants revenge and not justice.

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Archbob · May 24, 2001

Well, where will you get the whip?

Far_Striker · May 24, 2001

Can anyone give me a logical opinion why I should believe the death penalty is a more-fair and more-efficient system then life imprisonment?

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FearlessLeader2 · May 24, 2001

Go read the capital punishment debates.

mike · May 25, 2001

Far_Striker, count the people who have murdered, then count how many received the death penalty for it in the last 10 years. We havent scratched the surface yet.

BorderPatrol · May 24, 2001

far_striker asked for a logical opinion why the death penalty is more fair or a more efficient system. I haven't heard one yet far_striker. I only here the eye for an eye logic which is really uncivilized.

If a builder building a house has faulty workmanship and causes the house to fall on the owner's son, should the builder's son be killed?

I see in the not too distant future, within my lifetime, there not being a need for prisons at all because if someone commits a crime, they will simply have the parts of their brain that are causing that behavior removed. I'm sure there will be much debate over this as well, however. But I digress.

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Far_Striker · May 24, 2001

Far_Striker, count the people who have murdered, then count how many received the death penalty for it in the last 10 years. We havent scratched the surface yet.

I'm sorry but that's just sick. In 1998 98 men were killed because of the death penalty. That's the highest number since the 1950s. An astonishing 3527 men were sentenced to death row that same year. To say we don't punish murderers with the death penalty/severely enough is ridiculous. We punish them to the fullest extent of the law and so far, crime hasn't decreased as a result of increased death penalty sentences.

BP, I don't think we'll see that kind of technology in our lifetime and I'm sure there will be those people who will find it an extremely risky measure, but I'm certain that that technology will be out there some day.

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CornMaster · May 24, 2001

I feel that every/any crime should employ the death penalty as an option. I also feel that the members of the town/city where the crime is being tried/took place, should be allowed to vote on the trial.
1) Guilty/Not-Guilty
2) Sentence

Then we would see justice in action!!! Get rid of the Jury, and put justice in the hands of the people. That would be cool.

Note: Now I was going to say that the Death Penatly should be THE ONLY sentence for a crime. But I figured too many people would disagree with me. Even though it would TOTALLY end all repeat crimes. And Greatly reduce first time offenders. Mainly because you wouldn't get a second chance.

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