turingmachine: Yes, you are asking for immunity from the Merchant of Venice, because ANY suggestion that I have made you basically shrug off and say 'not good enough'. Let's say they take a diplo hit. You just intimated that the diplomacy system doesn't work, so why should this assuage you? You want immunity from the Merchant of Venice, because you want to keep your CSs. You also don't want to pay the price. No lower price that you don't suggest is good enough for you. This is tantamount to saying that the game should be designed the way you want it to be designed. So I suggest you write a mod to change the MoV to something that appeals to you. What you see as aggression is very clearly not seen as aggression by the game. I would highly suggest that you either try to tackle that issue with the developers, or simply give up. Either way, I am done with trying to discuss this issue with you. I for one hope that Venice is not changed, because no one who is arguing for a nerf to Venice has the experience to really know how bad the issue is. The only person that regularly posts on these forums who does (MadDjinn) you completely ignored because he did not agree with you.