The Netherlands - new playable civ!

[Hyronymus]

Not quite. The Royal Marechaussee was founded in 1814 by King Willem I. Van Heutz only used the Marechaussee in a different way then what they were used up to then.

 

[anjf]

I think a marine as uu for the Dutch isn't a bad idea, after all the Republic of the Seven Provinces was under raadspensionaris( I have no idea what the english word is) Johan de Witt and admiral De Ruiter, the first nation ever to use marines. They used marines in an attack on London, which was a great succes, they stole the british flag ship (The prince george I belief) and did great damage to all the other ships in the harbor and to the britsh navy, while this was all happening the english king fled out of London, afraid for the all mighty Dutch marines.

So a marine as uu for the Dutch won't be a bad idea but i have not a good idea how the should be called: The Royal Dutch Marines perhapse, or it could be a special rifleman with amfibious promotions for free, to show the early advance of marines in the Netherlands.
P.S. de beschaving ziet er prima uit, ik ben er nu al dol op, ookal kan ik hem nog niet spelen!

 

[mrgenie]

I wonder why the dutch start with fishing and mining? the fishing I understand very clearly, and as limburger I am glad to see recognation to be important to the netherlands because of the mining history in limburg, but it doesnt represent the basic of dutch economy. there wasn't much mining ever in NL mostly because there are no real hills to mine from, and most of the country below sea level makes mining a nearly impossible undertaking at least up to 1900 I can't tell you what other tech as starting would be good..I'd say some other seafaring tech, because the dutch are just world famous for that, to mark a word of the US generals in WWII in south east asia:"it must be said that every 2nd of 3ships supplying the US troops in their war against japan carries the dutch flag and therefor of all allied nations the dutch supported us the most on sea" where the dutch had a tonnage of 2.400.000tons, ok we lost 1.800.000 by the end of the war because of japanese subs but still, back in the middle ages and later on everyone knows the battles of london, where noone expect anyone to attack london because of their steelcables, well the dutch just carried their ships over land to throw them back into the river past the steelcable or the attack of the dutch against the spanish armada..or when the dutch joined the english against the french navy..etc etc..so i'd just set starting techs on the navy....orrrr...the dutch where also known for everything about farming, windmills, pottery(delfs blue) which is exported worldwide....but mining? hmm..no not really maybe digging be a better description then diggin in the mud!! hahahaha

 

[Roetghoer]

U shouldn't forget about Peat (or turf for us dutchies)!! 'Mining' turf was of MAJOR importance to holland especially during the seafaring days, because: during this proces, a (large) amount of salt comes available and salt was a basic need for long voyages as to preserve meat on board (pekelvlees). Bare in mind that salt was very expensive in those days. Maybe dutchies can remember why dutch pirates came to aruba and the other antilles: 'mining' salt from the ocean. Very lucrative!!
Furthermore, nearly every home in holland was burning peat because of the lack of wood in our country. Most of the wood for shipbuilding came from Sweden and Finland in those days. Traderoutes to the Eastern sea (Poland Baltics etc) we're massive due to the large amounts of grain coming from this region.

And why is Peat so specifically special to Holland and not other countries?
Because Holland was build largely on swampy terrain which is the source of peat. There is not a single country which could rival the production of peat per m3.


Keep digging people

 

[Aemilius XXIII]

While having a naval UU is probably more historically correct for the Dutch, I would still keep the Swiss mercenary instead, for

The use of the Swiss mercenary as the special unit for the Dutch is i.m.o. historically a valid point of view. During the 80 years revolt against the Spanish it was Prince Maurits and later Frederik Hendrik (de stededwinger) who formed efficient armies mainly recruited from foreign soldiers of fortune. As we know Switzerland is historically well known as a nation that supplied many mercenary soldiers. A well known saying in the Netherlands is: "geen geld geen Zwitsers" no money no Swiss (soldiers)

One of the money sources for recruiting those mercenary armies were privatiers operating in the Caribian (by example Piet Heyn) to capture the very valuable Spanish silverfleets.

 

[azuil]

Maybe it could be useful (or something) to have a special resource per civ. This special resouce would produce i.e. like 130% if it's in its own territory. (or maybe under some kind of religion...)

Since i have no programming experience, maybe it's a good idea for someone else who does?

I bet the special resource for America will be oil (no offense...)
stone for egypt...
ivory for india...
and so on...

 

[Hyronymus]

And why is Peat so specifically special to Holland and not other countries?
Because Holland was build largely on swampy terrain which is the source of peat. There is not a single country which could rival the production of peat per m3.

But only since the Dutch Golden Age (1600-1700) were we able to produce peat at a steady, industrialised way (many people forget that the first Industrial Revolution took place with the introduction of wind- and watermills).

 

[bart smeets II]

UPDATE! v1.06 changes;
Unique Unit: Swiss Mercenary (Remember this one? )
Any comments and/or constructive critisism are more then welcome!

Hi Tremo,

Why the Swiss Mercenary and not the (in)famous geuzen as unique unit. Far more truly Dutch IMO, they could be like some sort of sea-faring guerilla type unit. And please: let's all get behind miss Verdonk and kick that xeno-Swiss thing back to where it came from!

Excellent work, by the way

 

[Timberline]

Are you sure you've dowbnloaded the latest version? Since this was a problem I had before as well. If you have got the latest version and it still doesn't work, you'll need to reinstall Civilization 4. I had to do the same. This sucks badly, i know.

Just make a copy of the mods you already installed and when you uninstall the game, you can choose to keep your savegames and configuration (so they won't be deleted). But don't try to reuse the ones you made with my Civ. I never tried it, but I don't think that'll work too well.

The first time i had this problem, it loaded up the firts time just fine. But after that, I couldn't load the mod anymore. the set-up screen also no longer displayed my Civ. I think it has something to do with loading from the 'My Documents/My games...' directory that screws it up if you install it a second time in the directory I suggested.

It's a weird bug. The only remedy that I found was a reinstall so that all files are fresh again. I'm just glad this game is very easy and quick to reinstall

I have been having the same problem- is reinstalling the only solution? (I definitely have installed it into the correct directory, not my documents). Reinstalling obviously isn't the end of the world, but I'm not particularly tech-savvy, and I'm not sure if this would cause any currently saved games to disappear? I'd rather like to avoid that happening!

Dank je bij voorbaat! Ik ler Nederlands in school, maar voor alleen half van een [semester- my dictionary doesn't have a translation for that!]

 

[azuil]

Dank je bij voorbaat! Ik ler Nederlands in school, maar voor alleen half van een [semester- my dictionary doesn't have a translation for that!]

semester is the same
you could just backup your saved games and reinstall the game, i think...

leuk dat je nederlands leert!

 

[azuil]

The use of the Swiss mercenary as the special unit for the Dutch is i.m.o. historically a valid point of view. During the 80 years revolt against the Spanish it was Prince Maurits and later Frederik Hendrik (de stededwinger) who formed efficient armies mainly recruited from foreign soldiers of fortune. As we know Switzerland is historically well known as a nation that supplied many mercenary soldiers. A well known saying in the Netherlands is: "geen geld geen Zwitsers" no money no Swiss (soldiers)

One of the money sources for recruiting those mercenary armies were privatiers operating in the Caribian (by example Piet Heyn) to capture the very valuable Spanish silverfleets.

thanks for the explaination! (i should know more of my home-country's history *shame*)

 

[anjf]

I have a problem no that I have finaly installed the whole thing, I can play it but the flag is just totaly black, any idea how to fix this?

 

[Tahuti]

I have a problem no that I have finaly installed the whole thing, I can play it but the flag is just totaly black, any idea how to fix this?

http://www.filegone.com/3gcs

 

[Corriesurf]

Hi guys!

New here, I have been reading a lot lately, but never posted anything..
But this great mod was definitely worth it to register and say: Great work!!

I have the same problem with loading my saves.. They are in my mydocuments folder.
The mod was installed in de progam\etcetc files folder, but didnt work, but after installing in mydocuments it works..

gonna fix the flags immidiately as i get home

see ya!

 

[Timberline]

Editted much later that night- I think I figured it out!

Editted again the next day- I actually did have it figured out! I reinstalled, repatched, then deleted every Nederlandse Mod related folder in the Civ 4 folder, redownloaded, and it still didn't work. After playing around some more, I found that I still had some files in the "My Documents" folder- once I deleted them, it loaded fine!

 

[GeoModder]

Too bad the flag color isn't yellow... Flemish civ anyone?

 

[hanskamp]

I will test this soon; this evening. I might love this, since I am Dutch!

 

[nrseven]

Too bad the flag color isn't yellow... Flemish civ anyone?

Yeah, I thought it was the flamish lion too at first

I second that: anyone up for making a worshippers of Bel-civ?
anything belgian or flamish would be great
but... I don't really see how it should be done, since we're just a variety of races who raped our great-grand-mothers

The guys living in our region were probably all killed by Romans (although I'm not sure), but leaders could be Vercingetorix or Ambiorix.

I don't know much about history though, and have no idea how Belgium was founded like it is now. I find it odd that we're a land on our own...

 

[GeoModder]

Yeah, I thought it was the flamish lion too at first
The guys living in our region were probably all killed by Romans (although I'm not sure), but leaders could be Vercingetorix or Ambiorix.

I don't know much about history though, and have no idea how Belgium was founded like it is now. I find it odd that we're a land on our own...

Nah, Ambiorix was a Celt, and those were mostly replaced by the Franks during the fall of the Roman Western Empire in the northern half of Belgium. Flanders really was nothing more then a small county which nobility took advantage of the Viking raids to enlarge their territory.

I was more thinking of the Flanders in 1100-1300 AD, then that extra crusader unit in the art0.fpk file could be used to represent the UU, a flemish knight (they were quite active in the crusades).

 

[anjf]

Belgium is it is now isn't realy founded, it was part of the Netherlands or Het koningrijk der Verenigde Nederlanden under king Willem the first. But the north and south could stand eachother so Belgium broke of. If you think about it they are in fact just a reblion state. But under pressure of the english empire the dutch have to live with it. I agree that the leader should not be a Celt but perhapse the first Belgium King I believe his name was, just as the modern king Albert.