The New Face of Nazism/ Racism

[Triewd]

I am here to talk about how Nazism has evolved and is changing.

Deception is a key component of it as is dressing it up as something else:

http://englishnews.org/asatroasatru/asatru-and-civilization.html

Perfectly reasonable...Looks positive and good (+ its a 'borrowed' article)

http://englishnews.org/asatru/ethics/the-asatru-spirit.html

A bit strange inferences are weird hint of something

but then you get things like this:

http://englishnews.org/news-central/who-we-germanic-folk-really-are.html

Which reads like Narcissistic insane pure irrational hatred, with slim justification (if any)

I mean they even have sympathy for Nazis:

http://englishnews.org/news-central/resources/resource-the-truth-of-ww2.html

(to be fair alot of bad things *did* happen during WW2 including treatment of German Prisoners) - however the use of that article is well basically to incite hatred.

Notice a complete lack of any Nazi symbol and only one symbol which has been used by them before (I can't seem to find a list of pagan symbols appropriated which I found) Sometimes the mask slips though and you can see.

The core compenent is really an argument from flattery as well as implying or stating the reader is under attack.

I may write some more about this later but this is an example of how it is changing and attempting to cloak itself.

 

[Tahuti]

One of the few things I like about PC leftists compared to other loonies like Scientologists and Neo-Nazis is that they are honest from the beginning.

 

[Triewd]

One of the few things I like about PC leftists compared to other loonies like Scientologists and Neo-Nazis is that they are honest from the beginning.

Yes deception is a core component of Nazis and their ilk.

Its one of their most despicable qualities that and their hypocrisy. In a way its moral cowardice.

 

[Tahuti]

Yes deception is a core component of Nazis and their ilk.

Its one of their most despicable qualities that and their hypocrisy. In a way its moral cowardice.

Old 1930s Nazis are more honest than modern Neo-Nazis. There are several elements of Neo-Nazism that are a break from traditional Nazism. Particularly its renunciation of militarism in favour of sympathy for Third-World causes, as well as Strasserist influences which the original Nazis suppressed by 1934

Things is, this is part of their dishonest strategy. You can't really hide militarism: It requires a degree of honesty to show it, whatever you think of it. And Neo-Nazis can hide behind Left-wingers, occasionally convincing them to join you without them knowing they do their bidding.

 

[warpus]

Some of the "new" racism I see is what some people might call "reverse racism" and what some might even not call racism at all. Racism perpetrated against those who have the same skin colour as those who have a history of perpetrating racism upon others on a mass scale. It seems to be more and more popular to discriminate against these people under the guise of "You people have had it too good for too long". It's also very safe to do, as people will be hesitant to stand up to racism if it's actually popular and "in"... and/or if they will be punished by their peers and colleagues for standing up to a clear injustice.

People tend to go with the flow, which is why this type of racism can be very dangerous. If nobody speaks up, it will be harder for others to speak out, and so on. Those discriminated against must have a voice, no matter who they are.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon. Back when I was growing up racism was bad no matter what.

I have said my bit. I will likely not be returning to this thread, due to the complete lack of interest I have in arguing about this with the usual suspects. There is no common ground here for discussion with those who will disagree with me, so I will pre-emptively depart and tend to my pet goat. (which needs constant feeding & attention and takes up a considerable amount of my time and effort)

 

[Triewd]

Some of the "new" racism I see is what some people might call "reverse racism" and what some might even not call racism at all. Racism perpetrated against those who have the same skin colour as those who have a history of perpetrating racism upon others on a mass scale. It seems to be more and more popular to discriminate against these people under the guise of "You people have had it too good for too long". It's also very safe to do, as people will be hesitant to stand up to racism if it's actually popular and "in"... and/or if they will be punished by their peers and colleagues for standing up to a clear injustice.

People tend to go with the flow, which is why this type of racism can be very dangerous. If nobody speaks up, it will be harder for others to speak out, and so on. Those discriminated against must have a voice, no matter who they are.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon. Back when I was growing up racism was bad no matter what.

I have said my bit. I will likely not be returning to this thread, due to the complete lack of interest I have in arguing about this with the usual suspects. There is no common ground here for discussion with those who will disagree with me, so I will pre-emptively depart and tend to my pet goat. (which needs constant feeding & attention and takes up a considerable amount of my time and effort)

Thank you I will particularly agree with the bolded part (my emphasis)

Elsewhere on the site I quote:

It is the Purpose of English Asatru to make it so popular that no one will dare remotely criticize us let alone persecute us

Immune to Lawsuits Immune to discrimination Immune to infiltration

Also they plan to use anti discrimination laws against people talking against them ( I may find quotes for that)

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Some of the "new" racism I see is what some people might call "reverse racism" and what some might even not call racism at all. Racism perpetrated against those who have the same skin colour as those who have a history of perpetrating racism upon others on a mass scale. It seems to be more and more popular to discriminate against these people under the guise of "You people have had it too good for too long". It's also very safe to do, as people will be hesitant to stand up to racism if it's actually popular and "in"... and/or if they will be punished by their peers and colleagues for standing up to a clear injustice.

People tend to go with the flow, which is why this type of racism can be very dangerous. If nobody speaks up, it will be harder for others to speak out, and so on. Those discriminated against must have a voice, no matter who they are.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon. Back when I was growing up racism was bad no matter what.

I have said my bit. I will likely not be returning to this thread, due to the complete lack of interest I have in arguing about this with the usual suspects. There is no common ground here for discussion with those who will disagree with me, so I will pre-emptively depart and tend to my pet goat. (which needs constant feeding & attention and takes up a considerable amount of my time and effort)

My local "news source site" just ran a story about an upcoming "Miss Black AV" pageant. The comments section LIT UP immediately with shrieks of protest over this "blatant racism." This in a community where the DOJ just concluded an investigation and found that our local law enforcement targeted people of color in; forcing them from their homes through repeated violent 'code inspections', excessive use of force up to and including beatings and shootings, "back seat detaining" which since it meets none of the actual criteria for legally detaining someone would more accurately be called "kidnapping," and some lesser things...none of which are "lesser" as compared to beauty pageant participation. Stories on this issue also get a few comments, usually of the "DOJ is picking on us, local autonomy" persuasion.

I could provide a link, but frankly I find my home town too embarrassing at this point.

 

[Cutlass]

Some of the "new" racism I see is what some people might call "reverse racism" and what some might even not call racism at all. Racism perpetrated against those who have the same skin colour as those who have a history of perpetrating racism upon others on a mass scale. It seems to be more and more popular to discriminate against these people under the guise of "You people have had it too good for too long". It's also very safe to do, as people will be hesitant to stand up to racism if it's actually popular and "in"... and/or if they will be punished by their peers and colleagues for standing up to a clear injustice.

People tend to go with the flow, which is why this type of racism can be very dangerous. If nobody speaks up, it will be harder for others to speak out, and so on. Those discriminated against must have a voice, no matter who they are.

This seems to be a relatively new phenomenon. Back when I was growing up racism was bad no matter what.

I have said my bit. I will likely not be returning to this thread, due to the complete lack of interest I have in arguing about this with the usual suspects. There is no common ground here for discussion with those who will disagree with me, so I will pre-emptively depart and tend to my pet goat. (which needs constant feeding & attention and takes up a considerable amount of my time and effort)

"Reverse racism" isn't a thing in the US. And I would find it stunning if it was a thing in Canada. If you actually looked into it, you'd find that nearly all of it is actually old school racists using the term in order to try to change the terms of the debate in their favor.

 

[Hygro]

Crazy mofos, are they gaining any real traction? Usually fascists have trouble when economies are doing alright, but I haven't kept up with Europe since the US turned around in the past year.

 

[warpus]

"Reverse racism" isn't a thing in the US. And I would find it stunning if it was a thing in Canada. If you actually looked into it, you'd find that nearly all of it is actually old school racists using the term in order to try to change the terms of the debate in their favor.

I used the phrase because I have seen it used by Americans here and there. I might have used it in the wrong context. American race relations can be.. confusing.

 

[Borachio]

Um... I actually quite like Nazism. I find it absolutely fascinating. In the same way that I find alligators fascinating.

I've not yet read all of the links. I will do so; but meanwhile let me just say that I find the idea that the culture of one's ancestors needs preserving to be a rather curious one. Which isn't to say that we should devalue our cultural heritage (although some of it is embarrassing, to say the least), just that "battling" for it seems odd somehow. Still, I have some very odd ideas of my own, I have to admit.

 

[kiwitt]

Another question - Neo-Liberals are really Liberal-Business, not liberal-workers.

 

[Cutlass]

I used the phrase because I have seen it used by Americans here and there. I might have used it in the wrong context. American race relations can be.. confusing.

Nearly all the times it's used the context is: "Oh my God! They're trying to offset some of the effect of all the discrimination and oppression we've been heaping on those people! That will take away our God given advantages and we'll have to actually earn our place!"

 

[Cutlass]

"If you happen to be a young kid in junior high or high school, and you're being force-fed evolution, and part of evolution is teaching that the transition from dark skin to light skin equals more evolved, what are you gonna think of dark-skin people?...I'm hearing from people that this is part of the curriculum. Well, if that's true, for crying out loud, then it makes it a little more understandable why people like this Dylann Roof guy exist."
—

Rush Limbaugh

 

[warpus]

Nearly all the times it's used the context is: "Oh my God! They're trying to offset some of the effect of all the discrimination and oppression we've been heaping on those people! That will take away our God given advantages and we'll have to actually earn our place!"

I've heard it used in a "This isn't real racism, it's 'reverse racism'" type of way. But I see what you mean.

Rush Limbaugh is an idiot. I'm glad he isn't a member on this forum, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to say that.

 

[bhavv]

Leave Nazis alone!

 

[Triewd]

Leave Nazis alone!

why they are fun to annoy!

I got threads deleted off stormfront twice for asking them to prove that the Jews controlled the media.

I ended up getting a bluescreen instead.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I got threads deleted off stormfront twice for asking them to prove that the Jews controlled the media.

My grandfather used to tell me that the reason the Jews were hated in Europe (keep in mind that my grandfather was born in Norway to Swedish & Norwegian parents, in 1901 and emigrated to Canada in the early 1920s) was because they were able to cope better with the various economic conditions during the early 20th century.

My grandfather was, as far as I could ever determine, atheist. But he had some really nasty prejudices, and when Jim Keegstra decided to run as a Social Credit candidate in one of the elections after his teaching license was revoked for force-feeding his students a steady diet of Holocaust denial and other forms of hate speech, my grandfather said, "I'm going to vote for him."

My grandmother and I were shocked, and I said, "Have you ever really listened to him? He makes sense for about 5 minutes, then his speeches start sliding more and more into the kind of stuff that he was telling his students."

I don't know who my grandfather finally ended up voting for - I know my grandmother and I went NDP for that election - but later, my grandfather started spouting more anti-Jewish stuff. So I finally said, "Okay, you don't get to read any more of my science fiction books you like."

"What? Why?" He didn't get it.

"Because the people who wrote them are Jewish," I told him. "And you should stop watching T.J. Hooker and Star Trek, too. William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy are Jewish."

I know that some people reading this post are going to immediately think "freedom of speech" and "thought control" and that Canada is a repressive society that tries to control what people think. The truth is that people are free to think whatever they want here. We just put limits on how far they can inflict hate speech on other people who are either their targets, or who just don't want to hear or read it.

So while I'm reasonably certain that my grandfather probably never changed his opinions one iota, he did modify his behavior somewhat - around me, at least, since there were not many times when I put my foot down about things, and he could tell I really meant this.

 

[Formaldehyde]

"If you happen to be a young kid in junior high or high school, and you're being force-fed evolution, and part of evolution is teaching that the transition from dark skin to light skin equals more evolved, what are you gonna think of dark-skin people?...I'm hearing from people that this is part of the curriculum. Well, if that's true, for crying out loud, then it makes it a little more understandable why people like this Dylann Roof guy exist."
—

Rush Limbaugh

Wow. Just wow.

I don't know which is worst. Being opposed to learning about evolution in school. Thinking that the schools might possibly be teaching that lighter skin is an evolutionary trait. Or understanding what might have motivated the shooter based on what he supposedly learned in school.

What sort of people does Rush Limbaugh know? Does he believe everything they tell him without even bothering to do a simple google search to see if it might be true? How many of them are Dylann Roofs-in-training? And will he also "understand" it if they go off the deep end after years of listening to his own racist rhetoric?

 

[warpus]

Good for you Valka for standing up to racism. It's often not easy in the case of close relatives.