The Next NES by EQandCivfanatic
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I like the idea of TGTUD and Imperial Glory.
If you chose Imperial glory, reserve me a spot for Courland/Poland. (i'm polish
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If you chose Imperial glory, reserve me a spot for Courland/Poland. (i'm polish
)
I liked the idea of laying foundations fresh start. I actually wanted to do a similar idea but decided against it and would really like to see someone try it in action.
Probably, would play any fresh start NESes but anything else I not too interested in anything else at least at the moment.
Probably, would play any fresh start NESes but anything else I not too interested in anything else at least at the moment.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
This appears not to become Warcraft... 
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
This appears not to become Warcraft...
You just have to rub salt into wounds
I'd so like some warcraft (not WoW) themed NES.
Well to you warcraft enthusiasts, I've already decided I'll post the ruleset for it on the finalized poll, and maybe who knows? It might sway those who havent cared much for it yet. The ruleset is rather nifty, and since it's at the start of warcraft history, lore isn't as important for those not familiar with it.
Well it looks as though we have obvious winners. Drafted rulesets will be posted with a new poll within the next couple of days (hopefully before the next ABNW update). These will include the rules for TGTUD, Imperial Glory, and Laying Foundations. However, because of the enthusiasm (somewhat scary for some of you, you know who you are, please stop PMing me about it, all will be explained) for the Warcraft NES, I will be including that in the poll as well. I'm vaguely considering just starting up Warcraft as a side project, as it will have a maximum of maybe 22 nations at any given time, and likely less and less as the NES goes on.
Because I have no way of getting this home from work otherwise: here is the partial ruleset draft for Warcraft.
All eight of the starting races of this NES have different elements of importance, which must be addressed separately, thus the various sections. Races will be of different playability as well as focused in different types of special ways. All are unique in some way or another, and have special advantages in their play. This is to reflect the various nuances created by Blizzard in their franchise, and I hope I’ve duplicated them well enough for our NESing purposes.
Despite the differences, all races hold elements of the rules in common, including resources, production, and rules on warfare. Trade may become important, and some nations will benefit especially from various rules. We’ll go over the basics quickly before progressing to the bigger details.
There are three basic resources which are produced in similar fashions, they are used as the basics for all major units for all races. These include gold, wood, and oil. All units cost some combination of these stats, and the more expensive they are the better they get. These three resources may all be traded among any nation, and are produced in specific ways. There are two other resources, which cannot be traded, Mana and Expertise. These are not common to all races at the start, though this may change as the NES progresses.
Gold: Gold is chiefly produced if you have a Gold Mine within your territory. A Gold mine Produces 100 Gold each turn. Some units such as Peasants or Peons also help to produce a small amount of gold per turn as well. Gold is used for almost every building or unit, and you’ll find it invaluable for all your efforts. You cannot spend gold into debt unless it is with another player or NPC nation in agreement.
Wood: Wood is produced by Lumber Mills (or other variations of such), which can be built by any nation. Lumber Mills provide 100 Lumber each turn. Some units such Peasants or Peons help in the collection of lumber per turn as well and can be used to increase production. Wood is vital for ranged units as well as most buildings.
Oil: Oil is only produced by the Oil Refinery and is the hardest to obtain of all resources. Oil Refineries can only be built along a coast line and are highly expensive. Oil is required for the construction of most advanced units, and all naval units. If you want the biggest and best of everything, oil is required.
Mana: Mana is created by casters which you have previously trained in your army or have been traded to you from other armies. Each caster produces a different amount of mana and some races will have an easier time of gathering it than others. Mana is used for Great Spells and the training of new caster units. If you want to make really big booms, this is what you need to have. Mana is only available to Humans, Orcs, Elves, Trolls, and Gnolls.
Expertise: Expertise is created by Engineers among a few of the less magically inclined races. Expertise functions similarly to Mana, except that it focuses on secular items and fancy gadgets. Expertise is used for the creation of engineered units, as well as the creation of Great Inventions, which are upgrades or new units entirely for the race. Expertise is only available to Gnomes, Dwarves, and Goblins.
Since units differ from race to race, those will discussed in depth below in the racial sections. You may note that they come usually as one soldier at a time, and I’d like to explain my reasoning for that. When you get right down to it, the World of Warcraft is not exactly a populous one. In the Real-Time Strategy games too, the game is determined by single units, not massive regiments or brigades as in usual NESes. Therefore this will be focused on the activities of small forces, and in a pitched battle you may see a lot of your money go up in flames. The expensive units are expensive for a reason and they usually will far outweigh smaller ones so keep that in mind.
Heroes have been a big part of the games of Warcraft and they are present within this NES to a significant degree. While some nations will start with heroes, many will not. Heroes represent individuals of great power or strength who fight for you cause or nation. They will not have typical RPG stats, and will be rated only on a level basis. Use in combat will help them advance in level and strength, and will eventually emerge as a highly powerful unit. The strongest of heroes may ultimately prove to be an equal match for a small army. To create a hero, you need to possess an Altar of Heroes within your nation (only one is required) and then spend 500 Gold. This will change a unit of your choice to a Level 1 hero, making him strong then he’d be as a regular soldier. From here he will level with more combat experience, so don’t be shy about using him, just keep him well supported.
Warfare in this NES is focused around pitched battles, not fighting on a broad front. Therefore keep this in mind when planning your campaigns, and you can feel free to discuss in depth orders of battle, such as flanking moves or frontal assaults. Areas and regions can only be secured if the local enemy army is defeated and driven off. Just keep this in mind when drafting your orders for war.
The map of Warcraft may be daunting for some who are not intimately familiar with the Blizzard franchise, but fear not! I’ll be providing a terrain map for those confused, and it’ll come with regional names. On a related note, I’ll be providing backgrounds for each race and nation along with their stats. To be honest, as this NES starts where Warcraft 1 begins, the Lore is more or less unestablished at this point. The lore will be revealed more in depth as the NES progresses, but knowledge of it is not required. In fact, if you have no knowledge of the Lore, it may actually make the experience of this NES even more fun!
The map has a specific key which is as follows:
Numbers: Sites of Power (explained below)
Large Circles: Cities
Large Squares: Fortifications
Small Circles: Towns and other minor sites
Within Azeroth there are several locations which are of special significance. These sites provide advantages based on race, and who holds the territory they are in. They represent key importance for warfare and will help make your faction ever stronger. They are shown on the map with numbers and those numbers with the sites themselves are listed below:
1. The Dark Portal: This is the dark gate which connects the homeworld of the orcs to Azeroth. As long as the Horde holds the Dark Portal, they will receive 500 extra Gold per turn, which can then be distributed among the clans.
2. Elven Runestone: These foreboding monoliths help protect the high elven kingdom of Quel’Thalas. As long as the elves or their allies hold one or more of these runestones, enemy magic cannot be used within the borders of Quel’Thalas.
3. The Sunwell: The source of the power of the mages of the elves. This powerful outlet is a literal well of mana and magic. The Sunwell provides 25 Mana or Expertise per turn to the faction which holds it.
4. Blackrock Mountain: This ancient mountain serves as the current home of the Dark Iron Dwarves. Within its depths is not only a wealth of minerals, but a powerful source of magic and influence. Blackrock Mountain provides 15 Gold and 15 Mana or Expertise per turn to the faction which holds it.
Other Sites of Power may be created as the NES advances and the wars get stronger and more violent.
The Basics
All eight of the starting races of this NES have different elements of importance, which must be addressed separately, thus the various sections. Races will be of different playability as well as focused in different types of special ways. All are unique in some way or another, and have special advantages in their play. This is to reflect the various nuances created by Blizzard in their franchise, and I hope I’ve duplicated them well enough for our NESing purposes.
Despite the differences, all races hold elements of the rules in common, including resources, production, and rules on warfare. Trade may become important, and some nations will benefit especially from various rules. We’ll go over the basics quickly before progressing to the bigger details.
Resources
There are three basic resources which are produced in similar fashions, they are used as the basics for all major units for all races. These include gold, wood, and oil. All units cost some combination of these stats, and the more expensive they are the better they get. These three resources may all be traded among any nation, and are produced in specific ways. There are two other resources, which cannot be traded, Mana and Expertise. These are not common to all races at the start, though this may change as the NES progresses.
Gold: Gold is chiefly produced if you have a Gold Mine within your territory. A Gold mine Produces 100 Gold each turn. Some units such as Peasants or Peons also help to produce a small amount of gold per turn as well. Gold is used for almost every building or unit, and you’ll find it invaluable for all your efforts. You cannot spend gold into debt unless it is with another player or NPC nation in agreement.
Wood: Wood is produced by Lumber Mills (or other variations of such), which can be built by any nation. Lumber Mills provide 100 Lumber each turn. Some units such Peasants or Peons help in the collection of lumber per turn as well and can be used to increase production. Wood is vital for ranged units as well as most buildings.
Oil: Oil is only produced by the Oil Refinery and is the hardest to obtain of all resources. Oil Refineries can only be built along a coast line and are highly expensive. Oil is required for the construction of most advanced units, and all naval units. If you want the biggest and best of everything, oil is required.
Mana: Mana is created by casters which you have previously trained in your army or have been traded to you from other armies. Each caster produces a different amount of mana and some races will have an easier time of gathering it than others. Mana is used for Great Spells and the training of new caster units. If you want to make really big booms, this is what you need to have. Mana is only available to Humans, Orcs, Elves, Trolls, and Gnolls.
Expertise: Expertise is created by Engineers among a few of the less magically inclined races. Expertise functions similarly to Mana, except that it focuses on secular items and fancy gadgets. Expertise is used for the creation of engineered units, as well as the creation of Great Inventions, which are upgrades or new units entirely for the race. Expertise is only available to Gnomes, Dwarves, and Goblins.
Units, Heroes, and Warfare
Since units differ from race to race, those will discussed in depth below in the racial sections. You may note that they come usually as one soldier at a time, and I’d like to explain my reasoning for that. When you get right down to it, the World of Warcraft is not exactly a populous one. In the Real-Time Strategy games too, the game is determined by single units, not massive regiments or brigades as in usual NESes. Therefore this will be focused on the activities of small forces, and in a pitched battle you may see a lot of your money go up in flames. The expensive units are expensive for a reason and they usually will far outweigh smaller ones so keep that in mind.
Heroes have been a big part of the games of Warcraft and they are present within this NES to a significant degree. While some nations will start with heroes, many will not. Heroes represent individuals of great power or strength who fight for you cause or nation. They will not have typical RPG stats, and will be rated only on a level basis. Use in combat will help them advance in level and strength, and will eventually emerge as a highly powerful unit. The strongest of heroes may ultimately prove to be an equal match for a small army. To create a hero, you need to possess an Altar of Heroes within your nation (only one is required) and then spend 500 Gold. This will change a unit of your choice to a Level 1 hero, making him strong then he’d be as a regular soldier. From here he will level with more combat experience, so don’t be shy about using him, just keep him well supported.
Warfare in this NES is focused around pitched battles, not fighting on a broad front. Therefore keep this in mind when planning your campaigns, and you can feel free to discuss in depth orders of battle, such as flanking moves or frontal assaults. Areas and regions can only be secured if the local enemy army is defeated and driven off. Just keep this in mind when drafting your orders for war.
Azeroth Map and Lore
The map of Warcraft may be daunting for some who are not intimately familiar with the Blizzard franchise, but fear not! I’ll be providing a terrain map for those confused, and it’ll come with regional names. On a related note, I’ll be providing backgrounds for each race and nation along with their stats. To be honest, as this NES starts where Warcraft 1 begins, the Lore is more or less unestablished at this point. The lore will be revealed more in depth as the NES progresses, but knowledge of it is not required. In fact, if you have no knowledge of the Lore, it may actually make the experience of this NES even more fun!
The map has a specific key which is as follows:
Numbers: Sites of Power (explained below)
Large Circles: Cities
Large Squares: Fortifications
Small Circles: Towns and other minor sites
Sites of Power
Within Azeroth there are several locations which are of special significance. These sites provide advantages based on race, and who holds the territory they are in. They represent key importance for warfare and will help make your faction ever stronger. They are shown on the map with numbers and those numbers with the sites themselves are listed below:
1. The Dark Portal: This is the dark gate which connects the homeworld of the orcs to Azeroth. As long as the Horde holds the Dark Portal, they will receive 500 extra Gold per turn, which can then be distributed among the clans.
2. Elven Runestone: These foreboding monoliths help protect the high elven kingdom of Quel’Thalas. As long as the elves or their allies hold one or more of these runestones, enemy magic cannot be used within the borders of Quel’Thalas.
3. The Sunwell: The source of the power of the mages of the elves. This powerful outlet is a literal well of mana and magic. The Sunwell provides 25 Mana or Expertise per turn to the faction which holds it.
4. Blackrock Mountain: This ancient mountain serves as the current home of the Dark Iron Dwarves. Within its depths is not only a wealth of minerals, but a powerful source of magic and influence. Blackrock Mountain provides 15 Gold and 15 Mana or Expertise per turn to the faction which holds it.
Other Sites of Power may be created as the NES advances and the wars get stronger and more violent.
Human Rules
Orc Rules
Dwarf Rules
Troll Rules
Gnoll Rules
Gnome Rules
Goblin Rules
High Elf Rules
Circuit
Writing Letters
How much are the rules influenced by Warcraft? I understand it's all about Warcraft, but is the fact that some races produce mana and others expertise part of Warcraft?
The Expertise is an invention of my own, basically it's mana for non-magical races. It'll allow them to create new and unique units of their own, much as spell make fun stuff for the magical races. The units which will exist and the resources are all mostly based upon the actual games, particular Warcraft 2 and 3.
Circuit
Writing Letters
Cool. The only issue I have is that only three races have that. It would be interesting if humans could choose between the two. Humans always seem to be the jack of all trades.
In this case they are not. There are at present count though, about 6 factions to choose from that have engineers. The rest will have to make do with the usual way of blowing stuff up with magic.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Yeah, as I said, I'm in already. 
Might run trolls or something, since Trolls are awesome.
Might run trolls or something, since Trolls are awesome.
Northen Wolf
Young Hunter
I'd mix dwarves and gnomes together, same as trolls, goblins and gnolls. As they were "beast" races and IIRC, gnolls were not able to create large factions due constant "inside fighting" over "who has longer shadow".
If Someone would do WarCraft NES, I'd play.
If Someone would do WarCraft NES, I'd play.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Well, trolls and goblins aren't actually beast races - gnolls are hilariously primitive when it comes to social organization though, I know that. Goblins are definately a faction in themselves though, since they have high organization and are brilliant merchants (The trading empire during the Third War wasn't founded upon nothing), while trolls are known for their previous Aman'i Empire which covered most of the Eastern Kingdoms until they eventually crumbled... Trollish social organization is more spiritual than the orcs', but it's definately working as a faction.
I have reasons why I allowed the races I did. At this time the gnolls are wandering around the Redridge mountains, yes fighting over shadows, and that is reflected in the NES. Gnolls are nomadic in nature and not an actual "civilization" per say at the start of the NES. They're the "hard mode" of the NES. What lord joakim said about trolls is very much the case as well.
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
Trolls are one of the most socially organized races that there is. Their war with the night elf (scum) is proof of that.
But I could be biased.
Also why would Goblins and Gnomes not be allowed to use mana? That seems rather odd considering gnomes have an affinity with magic, much like Goblins (who are opposites of sorts)
But I could be biased.
Also why would Goblins and Gnomes not be allowed to use mana? That seems rather odd considering gnomes have an affinity with magic, much like Goblins (who are opposites of sorts)
@Kentharu: My reasoning remains for them based on older Lore, not current. It wasn't until World of Warcraft that gnomes and goblins are given magical attributes (and not until new expansion for the latter). In the original Warcraft games, gnomes are described as not much more than sophisticated engineers. Perhaps they achieved magical capacities later on after greater experience with the human and elves.
The below is the nation list for the warcraft ruleset.
Human Nations
Alterac
Dalaran
Gilneas
Karazhan
Kul Tiras
Lordaeron
Stormwind
Stromgarde
The Orcish Horde
Warchief: Blackhand (Blackrock Clan)
Blackrock Clan
Bleeding Hollow Clan
Burning Blade Clan (NPC Only)
Dragonmaw Clan
Frostwolf Clan
Twilights Hammer Clan
Troll Tribes
Amani
Firetree
Gurubashi
Hakkari
Witherbark
Zandalar
High Elven Kingom
QuelThalas
Dwarven Clans
Bronzebeards
Dark Iron
Stormpike
Wildhammer
Gnomish Tinkerers
Gnomeregan
Gnoll Tribes
Mosshide
Mudsnout
Redridge
Riverpaw
Goblin Establishments
Steamweedle Cartel
Nation List and Stats
Human Nations
Alterac
Dalaran
Gilneas
Karazhan
Kul Tiras
Lordaeron
Stormwind
Stromgarde
The Orcish Horde
Warchief: Blackhand (Blackrock Clan)
Blackrock Clan
Bleeding Hollow Clan
Burning Blade Clan (NPC Only)
Dragonmaw Clan
Frostwolf Clan
Twilights Hammer Clan
Troll Tribes
Amani
Firetree
Gurubashi
Hakkari
Witherbark
Zandalar
High Elven Kingom
QuelThalas
Dwarven Clans
Bronzebeards
Dark Iron
Stormpike
Wildhammer
Gnomish Tinkerers
Gnomeregan
Gnoll Tribes
Mosshide
Mudsnout
Redridge
Riverpaw
Goblin Establishments
Steamweedle Cartel
Kentharu
Zebra Commander
If we can reserve nations then I'd like the Amani.
