The Next Turkish Leader

Whom would you like to see as the next Turkish leader in my Turkish MOD?

  • Oghuz Khan - Mythical founder of Oghuz Nation

    Votes: 11 17.5%
  • Alparslan - The Victor of Manzikert

    Votes: 15 23.8%
  • Nizam-ul Mullk - Legendary Seljuk Statesman

    Votes: 7 11.1%
  • Kilij Arslan - Lead the Turks during the Crusades

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Osman Ghazi - Founder of Ottoman Empire

    Votes: 27 42.9%
  • Timurlenk (Tamerlane) - Notorious Conqueror

    Votes: 16 25.4%
  • Yildirim Bayezid - Stopped the Last Crusade at Nicopolis

    Votes: 10 15.9%
  • Yavuz Sultan Selim - Conqueror of Egypt and Arabia

    Votes: 9 14.3%
  • Hurrem Sultan (Roxalena) - Ottoman Empress

    Votes: 21 33.3%
  • Abdulhamid Khan II - The Red Sultan

    Votes: 6 9.5%
  • Enver Pasha - Young Turk Revolutionary

    Votes: 11 17.5%
  • Ismet Inonu - The Second Man and National Chief

    Votes: 6 9.5%

  • Total voters
    63
  • Poll closed .

Tunch Khan

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I have decided to add a fourth Turkish leader to my Turkish MOD after Mehmed II, the Conqueror; Suleiman I, the Magnificent and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk. I will add the leader which gets most of the votes on this poll.

While creating the following list of rulers, I have tried to include the most influential Turkish names in the history; the ones that represent certain significane for the Turks; and also a female candidate to add some color (and not for political correctness b/s). :)

I wanted to avoid names that were sure to start useless discussion about their Turkishness, such as Attila the Hun, or Babur of Moghuls, although Attila spoke a distant Turkic dialect and Babur spoke fluent Turkish as his mother tongue. I also avoided Mameluk and Safavid Sultans due to their rivalry with the bigger brother: the Ottomans, although no one can contest their being Turkish. However I added Tamerlane for his extreme popularity in the Turkish world.

There are also other names that I didn't include, like Barbaros Khayreddin Pasha and Sokullu Mehmed Pasha, who are both landmarks in Turkish history, but were not direct rulers themselves. Barbaros did indeed rule most of North Africa by himself before he offered his lands as a present to Suleiman I, but his subjects were not Turkish. I did however include Nizam-ul Mulk due to his accomplishments and his role in the shaping of the Seljuk Empire through great statesmanship.

Oghuz Khan is the mythical Turkish hero and founder of the Oghuz nation from which major Turkish empires have emerged. There is no historical written evidence about his life, however given the nature of the nomadic lifestyle the Turks had, all of the history and culture was passed to the future generations through oral tradition, which makes the Book of Dede Korkut a priceless source and a fair reason to accept Oghuz Khan as a former Turkish ruler.

Hurrem Sultan, (Anastasiya Lisovska, aka. Roxalena) is the only female candidate here. She was a Ukranian slave presented to Grand Vizier Ibrahim Pasha, Suleiman's lover. Ibrahim offered her to his master and she soon managed to win Suleiman's heart and in an astonishing break with tradition, eventually became his wife and Empress of the Ottomans. Having become the strongest person of the world in her lifetime, she arranged Ibrahim's execution along with Suleiman's elder son Mustafa, thus placing her own son Selim in the line of succession. Hurrem also acted as Suleiman's advisor on matters of state, and she was also active in foreign affairs and international politics. Aside from her political concerns, Hurrem was the first woman to engage in several major works of public building, from Mecca to Jerusalem, and the first to endow a mosque in Istanbul.

Both Abdulhamid Khan the second and Enver Pasha are controvertial figures in late Turkish history, but their combined impacts on Ottoman Empire along with the fate of other empires can not be denied. Enver's attempt to revive a Turanic Empire, which cost him his life is enough reason for him to appear on the list. Abdulhamid II, or the Red Sultan as he was called, is the dark side of a list of rulers and he represents tyranny, opression and fundamentalism.

The remaining rulers on the list are important figures who have proven themselves both on the battlefield as skilled tacticians and also renowned for their statemanship.
 
We still need more votes on this. :) Please forgive the bump.
 
Some of the candidates you have provided aren't even Turkish , lol.

Wasn't Timurlane in essence a rebel against the Ottoman Empire? If I remember correctly , he caused them some problems.

Enver Pasha also wasn't Turkish , he came from an area that was during his lifetime occupied by the Turks (Albania).

The founder of the Ottoman Empire seems to me to be the best choice , and quite frankly I'm surprised he wasn't included up til now. That's your best bet , in my opinion.
 
Voted Alp Arslan. the Seljuks were an awesome empire forgotten by history, built on the back of Manzikert.

While a Turk like yourself might identify with Timur, he identified himself as a Mongol. Otherwise, I would have easily voted for the man who made palaces out of human heads.
 
Shqype said:
Wasn't Timurlane in essence a rebel against the Ottoman Empire? If I remember correctly , he caused them some problems.

The founder of the Ottoman Empire seems to me to be the best choice , and quite frankly I'm surprised he wasn't included up til now. That's your best bet , in my opinion.

Regarding Timur, he wasn't even an Ottoman citizen. He grew up in Uzbekistan, conquered the remains of the (Mongol) Ilkhanate, and then practically destroyed the OE, imprisoned its Sultan and made him die an embarassing death, creating a civil war and a power vacuum in the region.

However, Timur's stronghold was much more Persia than Anatolia, and while he was an ethnic Turk, he was a vassal of the Chatagai Mongols, identified with Mongols and claimed to be a descendant of Genghis Khan.




Regarding Osman, he did found the Ottoman Empire much the same way as Clovis founded France. Like Clovis, he really didn't bring them to the pinnacle of their success. Suleyman, Murad, Beyazid, Selim, etc. all come to mind before Osman for me if you want an Ottoman.
 
Shqype said:
Some of the candidates you have provided aren't even Turkish , lol. Wasn't Timurlane in essence a rebel against the Ottoman Empire? If I remember correctly , he caused them some problems.
Timur carved his own empire on the lands inhabited mostly by Turks and Persians. The fact that he wasn't an Ottoman subject doesn't mean he wasn't Turkish. He led many Turks into glorious battles and his descendants ruled vast territories from Anatolia to India. He did not want to fight with Ottomans as another Turkish state, but it was the arrogance of Sultan Bayezid that brought two mighty empires against each other at the cost of Bayezid's own life.
Shqype said:
Enver Pasha also wasn't Turkish , he came from an area that was during his lifetime occupied by the Turks (Albania).
My ancestors also come from the same area, in fact they owned vast lands right on ancient Macedonian capital, Pella, next to modern day Edessa (ancient Vodina). I have Albanian blood, and my grandparents speak fluent Greek and Bulgarian but that doesn't make us any less Turks. I suggest you read Enver's own memoirs to see how he defined himself and how he fought to create Turan. Trust me, it doesn't get any more Turkish than that. :) Being Turkish is not determined by ethnicity, but by where your heart lies. As Ataturk defines; you are Turkish if you see your future as one with the Turkish Nation.
 
So Roxalena and Osman are running for the top at the moment. :)
 
Hurrem Sultan (Roxalena):
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and Osman Ghazi:
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Here is an image of Tamerlane:

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As a turk i want Tamerlane(or Timurlenk).if he didn't fight ottomans and made and alliance with Beyazid the thunderbolt.Probably he would invade China
 
countzero said:
how about attila the hun ?
Attila is better left to the Huns or Hungarians for the time being. :)
 
Anima Croatorum said:
Roxalena, is she that Greek slave chick that was the Turkish Catherine de Medici in early 17.ct?

What about Mehmed the Buggerer, I mean Conquerer?
Roxalena was Ukranian and you can read about her from my first post. There were'n any greek slave women, as they were Ottoman citizens. But prior to Mehmed the Buggerer (Did he bug you?) there were plenty of Greek Princesses who mothered Ottoman sultans, starting with Orhan I, who married Theodora Cantacuzenus.
 
Tunch Khan said:
Roxalena was Ukranian and you can read about her from my first post. There were'n any greek slave women, as they were Ottoman citizens. But prior to Mehmed the Buggerer (Did he bug you?) there were plenty of Greek Princesses who mothered Ottoman sultans, starting with Orhan I, who married Theodora Cantacuzenus.

Well, since I'm not a Greek fourteen yearold I wouldn't catch his eye. The chick I was implying to turns out not to be Roxalena, but Kosem Sultana.
 
I'de like to see Mehmet II (the Conqueror) as a leader of the Turks. That way, once I create my Albanian civ I can do battle with the Turks and defeat them just like Gjergj Kastrioti did :)
 
Shqype said:
I'de like to see Mehmet II (the Conqueror) as a leader of the Turks. That way, once I create my Albanian civ I can do battle with the Turks and defeat them just like Gjergj Kastrioti did :)
Mehmed II is already included in my mod if you paid attention to my first post. It is true that Iskender Bey organized a notable resistance, that gave temporary breath to the Albanian nation during his lifetime, but you should have mentioned that he owes his military splendor to his education in the Ottoman Enderun, where he was raised as an Ottoman prince. He was then appointed as General and lead the Janissaries from one victory to another against Serbs and Hungarians for 25 years. Sultan Murad II gave the command of a large army and made him the Governor of Albania. This is when Iskender Bey (Scanderbeg) betrayed his liege and started his adventures both in Albania and Italy.

PS. The name Iskender Bey was given to him by his Turkish troops to compare his military brilliance to that of Alexander the Great and it translates into Lord Alexander.
 
Anima Croatorum said:
What about Kosem Sultana?
She was equally cunning and bloody as Hurrem when it came to power games.
 
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