The Next War Scenario Game
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ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
there are some pbem games that I look forward to getting ... and there are some that I am starting to dread ...
I love it!
ruff_hi
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every rabbit that I have managed to pull out lately has been a paper bunny, instead of one of those Monty Python versions. I am still looking for that one.
ruff_hi
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I was planning to post this a few days ago ...
Chas and I have been talking via email a little and he expressed his concern to me regarding me building a nuke near his territory. I cannot find my reply but I basically said I was playing in another PBEM game that was getting very exciting - similar to this with modern, evenly matched civs. The other civ had a tech lead (tanks) while I had a production lead (lots of infantry). It was looking to be a really good slog out ... until the other civ put all their hammers into nukes and nuked me back to the stone age. They really destroyed the fun for me. I think they would have won (and told them that) with conventional weaponry but it would have been really exciting going head to head. Until the nukes.
The upshot - I try to play all of my PBEM games with no nukes now - either remove uranium or reach an agreement. I had said to Chas that I would not be the first to use nukes - however, I would retaliate.
mlindert - you just nuked me. See in-game for my response.
Chas and I have been talking via email a little and he expressed his concern to me regarding me building a nuke near his territory. I cannot find my reply but I basically said I was playing in another PBEM game that was getting very exciting - similar to this with modern, evenly matched civs. The other civ had a tech lead (tanks) while I had a production lead (lots of infantry). It was looking to be a really good slog out ... until the other civ put all their hammers into nukes and nuked me back to the stone age. They really destroyed the fun for me. I think they would have won (and told them that) with conventional weaponry but it would have been really exciting going head to head. Until the nukes.
The upshot - I try to play all of my PBEM games with no nukes now - either remove uranium or reach an agreement. I had said to Chas that I would not be the first to use nukes - however, I would retaliate.
mlindert - you just nuked me. See in-game for my response.
2099AD to Chasbolt
While I was building regular improvements you were building up a huge army. After the invasion started I was overwhelmed by your forces. My war factory is building 24/7 now, but i simply don't get enough units to compensate for yours.
Sorry to spoil the fun for you but I simply looked in my toolbox and found another tool that worked.
Besides that I expect some fireworks from other players soon....
While I was building regular improvements you were building up a huge army. After the invasion started I was overwhelmed by your forces. My war factory is building 24/7 now, but i simply don't get enough units to compensate for yours.
Sorry to spoil the fun for you but I simply looked in my toolbox and found another tool that worked.
Besides that I expect some fireworks from other players soon....
Mario te Lindert
to ruff.hi, me
Hi there,
I'm starting to have a little bit a problem with the length of the turns of this game; I've been playing Civ-PBEM for some time now and I've always considered it as good casual gaming fun; one or to turns per day, quick decisions, about 5 minutes per turn. The Next War scenario was quite interesting at first. Turns were manageable, about 15 minutes per turn. After war broke out in Northern Africa it was quite interesting at the start. I don't know about you, but now, several turns later each turn cost me about 60 minutes, and it doesn't seem that war is over soon. I can't afford to play an hour per day for this scenario (well actually I can but Mrs. Deztro won't let me do it ;-) ).
To make it enjoyable for everyone I want to ask you guys to think about the following options:
- I reduce frequency per turn to once per 3 days, or if that's too slow for you:
- I hand over my land to Mr. Big. He's not Mr. Big but Mr. Huge then and he's quite an interesting competitor although he's non human.
- another option ?
Deztro
Ruff.Hi
My Next War turns take ages too. We have seen a slow down in the turn around speed and that is to be expected with the number of units to move, cities to manage, war, etc. I am more than happy only playing 2 or 3 turns of this game per week.
Ruff
Charles Wortham
Yes starting in the modern or post modern era is a labor intensive
playing surface. That is why I wanted to do it. I am game regardless.
I don't think I've played a game into the modern era but once with a
human.
I can manage, whatever you decide to do, Retire so your land is an
independent AI or if you become a vassal (turn must still be played by
you). I can also play every 3 days. One turn of this scenario a day is
more than enough, slowing it down won't bother me. I prefer a human
competitor.
I really don't think you'll be able to turn your nation over to Big.
Side Note: My gaming doesn't have me eliminate players in a multi-player game.
Charles Wortham
I was interrupted at work while typing the response.
RE: Side Note continued; My aim is to win the game and in this game
conquest will be much to complex for any of us without a total pact
between 2 for a long time and I don't like that thought. I play for
enjoyment and will scrap for land, position, power and points within a
game. It led to my downfall in one game. I should have....well that's
another story, I came in 2nd of 4.
Ruff.Hi
Hey - this is an interesting debate / sharing of ideas. Can we take this to the forum so that others can reference this / join in?
I, too, don't like taking out human opponents but I have done that in the past (and paid for it - but that is another story).
Re winning this game - I think the only options are conquest, dom and UN. Space is turned off as are all of the other VCs. Dom and Conquest are basically the same and involved lots of smack down. I don't see anyone winning a UN victory unless they get really close to Dom and get the AI to side with them. What other options are there?
Ruff
Charles Wortham
to Ruff.Hi, mlindert
My main point with this game, it does negate some of my plans by
telling you, is to take a piece here and take a piece there because I
concluded from the start that a triple threat game, discounting the AI
could only be won in this manner. It will be a points decision at the
end of 200 turns. War will be necessary to reach this goal and we may
eventually be at continuous war among ourselves scrapping for those
last few points. Debating this will only disclose more of my strategy.
So my discussion will no longer be strategic or in how to win this
scenario. I'm still not sure how to do that, because I haven't won.
Post it, I don't care.
So I have!
to ruff.hi, me
Hi there,
I'm starting to have a little bit a problem with the length of the turns of this game; I've been playing Civ-PBEM for some time now and I've always considered it as good casual gaming fun; one or to turns per day, quick decisions, about 5 minutes per turn. The Next War scenario was quite interesting at first. Turns were manageable, about 15 minutes per turn. After war broke out in Northern Africa it was quite interesting at the start. I don't know about you, but now, several turns later each turn cost me about 60 minutes, and it doesn't seem that war is over soon. I can't afford to play an hour per day for this scenario (well actually I can but Mrs. Deztro won't let me do it ;-) ).
To make it enjoyable for everyone I want to ask you guys to think about the following options:
- I reduce frequency per turn to once per 3 days, or if that's too slow for you:
- I hand over my land to Mr. Big. He's not Mr. Big but Mr. Huge then and he's quite an interesting competitor although he's non human.
- another option ?
Deztro
Ruff.Hi
My Next War turns take ages too. We have seen a slow down in the turn around speed and that is to be expected with the number of units to move, cities to manage, war, etc. I am more than happy only playing 2 or 3 turns of this game per week.
Ruff
Charles Wortham
Yes starting in the modern or post modern era is a labor intensive
playing surface. That is why I wanted to do it. I am game regardless.
I don't think I've played a game into the modern era but once with a
human.
I can manage, whatever you decide to do, Retire so your land is an
independent AI or if you become a vassal (turn must still be played by
you). I can also play every 3 days. One turn of this scenario a day is
more than enough, slowing it down won't bother me. I prefer a human
competitor.
I really don't think you'll be able to turn your nation over to Big.
Side Note: My gaming doesn't have me eliminate players in a multi-player game.
Charles Wortham
I was interrupted at work while typing the response.
RE: Side Note continued; My aim is to win the game and in this game
conquest will be much to complex for any of us without a total pact
between 2 for a long time and I don't like that thought. I play for
enjoyment and will scrap for land, position, power and points within a
game. It led to my downfall in one game. I should have....well that's
another story, I came in 2nd of 4.
Ruff.Hi
Hey - this is an interesting debate / sharing of ideas. Can we take this to the forum so that others can reference this / join in?
I, too, don't like taking out human opponents but I have done that in the past (and paid for it - but that is another story).
Re winning this game - I think the only options are conquest, dom and UN. Space is turned off as are all of the other VCs. Dom and Conquest are basically the same and involved lots of smack down. I don't see anyone winning a UN victory unless they get really close to Dom and get the AI to side with them. What other options are there?
Ruff
Charles Wortham
to Ruff.Hi, mlindert
My main point with this game, it does negate some of my plans by
telling you, is to take a piece here and take a piece there because I
concluded from the start that a triple threat game, discounting the AI
could only be won in this manner. It will be a points decision at the
end of 200 turns. War will be necessary to reach this goal and we may
eventually be at continuous war among ourselves scrapping for those
last few points. Debating this will only disclose more of my strategy.
So my discussion will no longer be strategic or in how to win this
scenario. I'm still not sure how to do that, because I haven't won.
Post it, I don't care.
So I have!
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
This game has a finite number of turns - I didn't know that. Will have to look at the settings when it comes back to me.
good for youPost it, I don't care.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
I got a warning about cracking the Earth like an egg during my turn set last night. Something about excessive nukes.
ruff_hi
Live 4ever! Or die trying
recent email from Deztro ...
I can totally understand this ... I think this is a problem with this scenario (and late game warfare in Civ4 generally) ... it sort of breaks down to who can produce the most and get them to the front line. That said, I was getting annoyed that you were putting big dents in my nice new shiny mechs even before I got to play with them.
I can totally understand this ... I think this is a problem with this scenario (and late game warfare in Civ4 generally) ... it sort of breaks down to who can produce the most and get them to the front line. That said, I was getting annoyed that you were putting big dents in my nice new shiny mechs even before I got to play with them.
