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ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
Ancient China?
looks good
looks good
nick0515
C7 Fanatic
This set is looking very good. Perhaps one of your best in the definitive series.
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
the grey, white and gold, makes it looks Japanese. Needs more red.
No buildings really exists from the Han period. But from ceramics and later medieval reconstructions we can see the probable color schemes.
http://arts.cultural-china.com/chin...9/famen_temple_pagodaaa085d9d58c36a916048.jpg
http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/images/exbig_images/69b20374c87e0d5c0619423ab3364bad.JPG
http://www.chinamuseums.com/images/henanm 4.jpg
http://images.chinahighlights.com/t...ture/ancient-chinese-architecture-history.jpg
No buildings really exists from the Han period. But from ceramics and later medieval reconstructions we can see the probable color schemes.
http://arts.cultural-china.com/chin...9/famen_temple_pagodaaa085d9d58c36a916048.jpg
http://www.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/images/exbig_images/69b20374c87e0d5c0619423ab3364bad.JPG
http://www.chinamuseums.com/images/henanm 4.jpg
http://images.chinahighlights.com/t...ture/ancient-chinese-architecture-history.jpg
I'd vote for the prior (in post 1308) 
7ronin
海軍少佐
I have to agree with Shiro. In both design and coloration your Chinese city appears more Japanese than Chinese. I would suggest making some of the walls a bright red.
WWTVICTOR
Webroamer
I agree.
Futhermore, the ancient Chinese city complex did not look alike, but rather similiar to Japanese cities
Four points, here are as follows:
(1) Buddist religion was not spreaded into China yet and Daoism was not been established, therefore pagodas or towers did not came into existance. Nevertheless, there had been a five-storeys tower in the marketplace in Chang'an of the Han Dynasty, but obviously the size of the tower in the city graphics is exaggerated
(2) Here is a pic about a drawing of Weiyang Palace, once where the royal court was situated, the city came into rectangular in shape, in most situation, the building of city walls have reserved space for urban expansion
Weiyang Palace, built in 200 BC, Han Dynasty
Chang'an, Tang Dynasty (618-907, AD)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/(唐)長安_(당)장안_(Đường)Trường_An_(とう)ちょうあん.jpg
To get more information, please visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_Dynasty#Chang.27an.2C_the_Tang_capital
(3) The house/palaces of the city graphic are too familiar with Japanese ones, the Chinese buildings inclined to be majestic, grand and breathtaking. Differ from the Japanese ones, the palaces were not sealed with white walls and boards but columns like the Greek temples instead (you know the most
), two storey buildings were common(4)The city gate (or, the hole in the middle) was too big, city gates in all civilizations were buildings to observe people and pedestrians in and out from the city.
Here is the Shanhai Pass, despite it was built in Ming, I think that it was a good reference:
Thanks for reading and I have high expectancy to your creation, Kyriakos
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
I also don't think Chinese castles would have the sloped stone base, which is medieval Japanese. I also think the city's walls are too white
Xianyang, Chin (221-206 B.C.) capital
http://history.cultural-china.com/c.../2009-09/25/subtopics3edae168d9cae4551193.jpg
http://history.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/1(76).jpg
other stuff:
http://history.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/1(77).jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/displ...at-the-east-gate-of-hsinchu-city-27591307.jpg
Xianyang, Chin (221-206 B.C.) capital
http://history.cultural-china.com/c.../2009-09/25/subtopics3edae168d9cae4551193.jpg
http://history.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/1(76).jpg
other stuff:
http://history.cultural-china.com/chinaWH/upload/1(77).jpg
http://image.shutterstock.com/displ...at-the-east-gate-of-hsinchu-city-27591307.jpg
Thank you all for the suggestions,
I may try to implement somemore, like changing the basis of the central building,
Unfortunately these were old models of mine and there was no provision to keep the main cubes in a separate group, so i cannot just color some of them red.
This is a compromise on the retexturing:
I may try to implement somemore, like changing the basis of the central building,
Unfortunately these were old models of mine and there was no provision to keep the main cubes in a separate group, so i cannot just color some of them red.
This is a compromise on the retexturing:
ShiroKobbure
Still modding Civ3
it just doesn't look ancient Chinese. Can't you use the buildings from your old ancient Chinese set?
WWTVICTOR
Webroamer
I think the texture is okay and fine, as I know that the House of Ying was fond of black.
@ShiroKobbure, sloped stone base was not an unique structure of Japan, adjacent cultural sphere can turn into great influence and resulted in similarity. Moreover, the 2nd link that you have provided was a mausoleum complex origined from Han Dynasty. And obviously the picture of the 4th link was a modernly built tourist attraction or some kind of landmark. I am sorry and please don't mind of my fastidious actions on those sites...
The building materials of Chinese walls varies, mainly consisted of rammed earth, lime and glutinous rice, covered with green bricks, here are some pictures of the remaining city walls in China for reference:
Here is a webpage about the City Wall of Nanjing, just in case if you want some information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Wall_of_Nanjing
@ShiroKobbure, sloped stone base was not an unique structure of Japan, adjacent cultural sphere can turn into great influence and resulted in similarity. Moreover, the 2nd link that you have provided was a mausoleum complex origined from Han Dynasty. And obviously the picture of the 4th link was a modernly built tourist attraction or some kind of landmark. I am sorry and please don't mind of my fastidious actions on those sites...
The building materials of Chinese walls varies, mainly consisted of rammed earth, lime and glutinous rice, covered with green bricks, here are some pictures of the remaining city walls in China for reference:
Here is a webpage about the City Wall of Nanjing, just in case if you want some information
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_Wall_of_Nanjing
Jerry'sGoldfish
Emperor
i have some questions for wwtvictor - first i do not have enough material about chinese fortification before the gun powder weapons, so i must ask if you know some original examples. second is that a large machicolation arch between towers - at the gate of nanjing - the posted photo??
third, i ask if you know some examples of machicolation or wooden hourdings - i have some examples of wooden hoardings from osprey pictures, but those appear without roofs.
conclusion - the mongols raised the top of the towers to the level of the walls since tops of towers where targets for enemy siege engines, while collapsing on the adiacent walls. on the great wall, and the gate forts taller than walls towers appear frequent. i am also interested in walls that have no sloping face.
also i would be carefull with given examples since there was a huge undertaking in remoddeling of fortification during the 16 century.
third, i ask if you know some examples of machicolation or wooden hourdings - i have some examples of wooden hoardings from osprey pictures, but those appear without roofs.
conclusion - the mongols raised the top of the towers to the level of the walls since tops of towers where targets for enemy siege engines, while collapsing on the adiacent walls. on the great wall, and the gate forts taller than walls towers appear frequent. i am also interested in walls that have no sloping face.
also i would be carefull with given examples since there was a huge undertaking in remoddeling of fortification during the 16 century.
