The questions-not-worth-their-own-thread question thread XIII

[Karalysia]

The government has no place regulating child labor or working conditions man. It's clearly unconstitutional, it's my god given free market right to force my children to work in the linen factory if I want to.

 

[Xanikk999]

On a more serious note, i have heard arguments against compulsory education from libertarians saying they should have the right to not have to follow education standards from the state and teach their kid anything they want.

Even worse I read about libertarians who though the compulsory education should be abolished completely.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Thats strange because just a few minutes before you posted that Id found this:

"Gordon's Restatement of Newman's Corollary to Godwin's Law: Libertarianism (pro, con, and internal faction fights) is the primordial net.news discussion topic. Any time the debate shifts somewhere else, it must eventually return to this fuel source."

Im not exactly sure what a "corollary" is though or a "primordial" or "internal faction". Id need to look up the words but Im lazy at the moment

 

[Karalysia]

Liberterians aren't so much of a legitamate economic ideology as they are a rather deluded cult. Their beliefs and practices are all rather cultish.

 

[Dachs]

Im not exactly sure what a "corollary" is

A corollary is an addition to a previously stated rule, law, or doctrine.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

Compulsory education should be abolished. Free but purely optional public education should be offered at any age though, at least up to the level which ought to be required for citizenship.

 

[Cutlass]

People who don't have an education cannot participate in the modern economy. Not educating people is pretty much condemning them to a lifetime of welfare dependency.

It's cheaper to educate them.

 

[Traitorfish]

Compulsory education should be abolished. Free but purely optional public education should be offered at any age though, at least up to the level which ought to be required for citizenship.

Are you suggesting that parents have the right to deprive their children of an education?

(Noting that home-schooling still comes under the banner of "compulsory education".)

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

How longs it take to usually recover from a concussion fully. If ever. I googled it and got this but theres a bunch of big words.

Also what does "Ed. Note" mean.

 

[madviking]

People who don't have an education cannot participate in the modern economy. Not educating people is pretty much condemning them to a lifetime of welfare dependency.

It's cheaper to educate them.

I agree that you cannot survive without an education, but I feel strongly that the current system is broken and that it needs to be fixed.

I think after 8th grade, there should a school for people who want to be in careers which require a college degree/higher education, such as the sciences, engineering, medicine, humanities, and a school for vocational training and family life, with classes in elementary finance (e.g. maintaining savings, making sure you don't fall into bankruptcy,etc), cooking, sewing, child-rearing, etc. I think much of the problem is that we make most everybody take science and math courses even though they might not go into a field of science or math, and are just going to be blue collar workers. Since everyone has to go through twelve years of schooling, they often just lose morale in the last few years taking what they deem as "unnecessary" classes. So we could just save them the trouble and avoid them dropping out if we just give them real-life skills and training. Thoughts?

 

[Cutlass]

I agree that you cannot survive without an education, but I feel strongly that the current system is broken and that it needs to be fixed.

I think after 8th grade, there should a school for people who want to be in careers which require a college degree/higher education, such as the sciences, engineering, medicine, humanities, and a school for vocational training and family life, with classes in elementary finance (e.g. maintaining savings, making sure you don't fall into bankruptcy,etc), cooking, sewing, child-rearing, etc. I think much of the problem is that we make most everybody take science and math courses even though they might not go into a field of science or math, and are just going to be blue collar workers. Since everyone has to go through twelve years of schooling, they often just lose morale in the last few years taking what they deem as "unnecessary" classes. So we could just save them the trouble and avoid them dropping out if we just give them real-life skills and training. Thoughts?

I agree that the current system is broken. But abandoning it is not the answer. A high school education is not adequate. Less than that means that we have to pay for their welfare for their whole lives.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

High school was very frustrating and I considered dropping out a few times.

 

[madviking]

I agree that the current system is broken. But abandoning it is not the answer. A high school education is not adequate. Less than that means that we have to pay for their welfare for their whole lives.

I know that a lot of high schools do not offer vocational courses, which probably draws upon welfare more than a lack of knowledge in say, science. If we can train people how not to live on welfare, I'd say that would be better for the welfare system. If people knew how the workplace works there would be presumably less cluelessness in people's first jobs; higher productivity. If people knew how to balance a checkbook and know that you cannot buy things you cannot afford, that prevents unnecessary foreclosure notices and debt. If people knew how to sew/cook, there would be less money spent on things which could be repaired with little to no cost. I guess 'self-sufficiency' would best describe this kind of curriculum.

Of course, I don't want to cast these people as inferior or anything. It's just we could better prepare students better for the jobs and families they are going to have.

The science/math schools would probably, in my view, just be reworked high schools. We give them usual regiment of courses and prepare them for college.

 

[Traitorfish]

It may be worth noting that in the UK we have Apprenticeship Programs that can take the place of High School, and they seem to work quite well. Many who take them end up in a better position than the hordes that New Labour ushered into university (if you can't create actual social mobility, just manufacture the impression of it! ).

 

[Cutlass]

I know that a lot of high schools do not offer vocational courses, which probably draws upon welfare more than a lack of knowledge in say, science. If we can train people how not to live on welfare, I'd say that would be better for the welfare system. If people knew how the workplace works there would be presumably less cluelessness in people's first jobs; higher productivity. If people knew how to balance a checkbook and know that you cannot buy things you cannot afford, that prevents unnecessary foreclosure notices and debt. If people knew how to sew/cook, there would be less money spent on things which could be repaired with little to no cost. I guess 'self-sufficiency' would best describe this kind of curriculum.

Of course, I don't want to cast these people as inferior or anything. It's just we could better prepare students better for the jobs and families they are going to have.

The science/math schools would probably, in my view, just be reworked high schools. We give them usual regiment of courses and prepare them for college.

I don't have time to get into it this morning. Maybe you could read this and I'll find the time to discuss it later.

 

[CivOtaku]

I agree that you cannot survive without an education, but I feel strongly that the current system is broken and that it needs to be fixed.

I think after 8th grade, there should a school for people who want to be in careers which require a college degree/higher education, such as the sciences, engineering, medicine, humanities, and a school for vocational training and family life, with classes in elementary finance (e.g. maintaining savings, making sure you don't fall into bankruptcy,etc), cooking, sewing, child-rearing, etc. I think much of the problem is that we make most everybody take science and math courses even though they might not go into a field of science or math, and are just going to be blue collar workers. Since everyone has to go through twelve years of schooling, they often just lose morale in the last few years taking what they deem as "unnecessary" classes. So we could just save them the trouble and avoid them dropping out if we just give them real-life skills and training. Thoughts?

Wow. Your system really sounds broken. What you detailed here is more or less what we have in Finland (except that higher education starts after the 9th grade).

 

[madviking]

Wow. Your system really sounds broken. What you detailed here is more or less what we have in Finland (except that higher education starts after the 9th grade).

But aren't you guys toward the top in math and science education?

 

[Xanikk999]

Compulsory education should be abolished. Free but purely optional public education should be offered at any age though, at least up to the level which ought to be required for citizenship.

That would be a great way to destroy the innovate lead the U.S has had in technology. It's already declining, such a policy would only insure ignorant parents would be allowed to deprive their children of the gift of knowledge.

 

[Xanikk999]

How much power if any is given the constitutional monarch in europe (for the countries that still have one).

If i recall correctly in England the monarch can dissolve parliament right? Can she do any real governance in an emergency?

 

[Ajidica]

I don't think the monarch can dissolve parliament. That was basicaly decided with the ECW and Glorious Revolution.