The templars were innocent!

If the Vikings could go there and back, if the Basque fishers could go to NewFoundlands and back, why couldn't the Templars go there?


and when finally the spanish crown reached the new world and official records begin all that silver had allready been taken to europe by the templars and there was none left, right? ;-)

the vikings had very robust ships and took the route via iceland and greenland...
and what about those basque fishermen?
 
of course it was, but it wasnt ready to take away for any european who came along... or did the guys who traded (just gave?) the silver to the templars didnt want to trade with spain?
 
I don't think there's much document left explaining what were the relationship between the templars and the people at the time.

May I remind you that when the Inca and Aztec met the Spaniards, they did not fight at first, because they had a prophecy Gods would come, and they thought it was the Spaniards. Could it be because their ancesters met some horse mounted templar knights 200 years before, and it gave this legend?
 
were there any silver mines in the americas big enough to provide the templars with the amount of silver they are said to have had by the time the spaniards arrived?
and the legend about quetzalcoatl was definately older than 200 years...
 
Well, it's a widely known fact that before creating the order of the Templar knights, some mastermind of the catholic church made a secret pact with Norman leaders, as the Normans showed quite a religious zeal.

Let see the time frame.

Conquest of England : 1066
Conquest of arab controlled Sicily : 1061-1091
Malta = captured in 1091

The Normans were also active in Spain, to weaken the muslims there and relieve pressure on the Western catholic countries.

In the meantime, in Byzantium, Normans were quite active. One of the first Norman mercenaries to serve as a Byzantine general was Hervé in the 1050s. By then however there were already Norman mercenaries serving as far away as Trebizond and Georgia. They were based at Malatya and Edessa, under the Byzantine duke of Antioch, Isaac Comnenus. In the 1060s, one Robert Crispin led the Normans of Edessa against the Turks.

From 1073 to 1074, 8,000 of the 20,000 troops of the Armenian general Philaretus Brachamius were Normans — formerly of Oursel — led by Raimbaud.

And in 1096, during the first Crusade, Bohemand of Taranto and his nephew Tancred were key leaders, of Normans origin.

And later, the first templars were in majority Normans.

All this shows that it was a conspiracy extend on many years, to seize England and be sure it will be later on the crusaders side, then seize Malta, Sicily, to serve as an operating base and increase the control of the catholic on the Mediterranean sea, send advanced Norman elements in disguise of mercenaries to start reconnaissance and fighting in Armenia, and weaken the turks there... All this to strike the final blow, with the first crusade, and take back Jerusalem, and create the Templars knights soon after.
 
I can give you some extract of correspondance between Bernard of Clairvaux, who was the origin of the Templar knights order and the Pope.

But you will have to wait for me to get home, as I have it in a book, and I have no access to it at my office.
 
A few other "coincidences"

1-Remember that although Clovis officially converted to Christianism when he became king of France, the Franks were a Germanic tribe. They probably were not really die-hard christian, but used christianity as a way to endorse their power.

2- The fist pope who spoke of crusade was Sylvester II (circa 1000), the Pope who create the "truce of God" to limit fighting. This Pope was the former Benedictine monk Gerbert.

3- The benedictine order was extreamly active in Frankish kingdom, but more in Aquitaine, Catalunya, Burgundy... As if they didn't really trust the Frankish kings.

4- In 913, Charles III, king of France, gave Normandy to Rollon. The Normans became christian, and apparently with a lot more faith than the franks did.

5- In 1042, Normans occupy the Pouilles (southern Italy). In 1042, Ribert Guisguard de Hauteville, a norman, become duke of Pouilles and Calabre. In 1060, he conqueres Messine. In 1082, he throw Byzance out of Italy (Durazzo Battle). In 1085, he captures Syracuse. Malta in 1090. Pope Gregory VII, former benedictine monk Hildebrand, helped as much as he could the Normans to capture Southern Italy.
In the meantime, benedictine monk Lanfranc, advisor of William the conqueror, is supposed to have been instrumental in convincing William to conquer England in 1066.

6- In 1096, Benedictine Pope Urban II called the first Crusade
 
You're leaving out Mary Magdalene, the Jesuits, and the Nazis! They must have been in on it! We need to examine Leonardo's notebooks for the details.

What's the evidence that the Franks weren't sincerely Christian? I also don't know of any evidence that the Benedictines didn't trust the Frankish kings; on the contrary, their dominance in early medieval monasticism was partly due to Charlemagne's support of the order in the interests of standardising the monasteries.

I don't really see what the Benedictines are supposed to have to do with all of this. Are you suggesting that the Benedictines formed some kind of secret alliance with the Normans, in which they helped the Normans to conquer key parts of Europe, with an eye to establishing the Templars some centuries down the line? I'm not convinced... for example, Gregory VII had perfectly reasonable motives for allying with the Normans in the 1080s: Henry IV of Germany had invaded northern Italy, locked Gregory up, and installed a pope of his own. I'm sure we can understand why Gregory might have wanted to encourage Robert Guiscard, the ruler of southern Italy, to invade the northern part at that precise moment, without having to imagine elaborate conspiracies.

Also, I must point out that the frequency with which Benedictines pop up is marginally less impressive if you bear in mind that, between the early ninth and the late eleventh centuries, the Benedictine order was pretty much the only monastic order in western Europe. So all monks, and indeed most educated people, were Benedictines. Which means that there is very little significance in the fact that various popes and other prominent ecclesiastical figures were members of this order.
 
if i searched for a minute or two i could find a book that proves that the pyramids were built by aliens, all myths about giants talk in fact about robots and everytime you see a disc in cave/ancient paintings it obviously is a space ship, since a sphere is the perfect form for spaceships...
(gotta love erik von daniken ;-) )
 
We don't claim we are superior. We know it.

To quote Obi Wan Kenobi: "Only in your mind, my very young padawan."

Even though I'm younger, unless you're under 20. But I'm guessing not, as you look older than that (not meant in a demeaning way, you still look quite youthful).

Anyway, I still think the destruction of the Templars was financially and politically based. Though the leader of the Templars was quite prophetic, saying the French King and the Pope would "meet him in a tribunal before God within a year" (I forget the exact quote). Low and behold, both were dead within or around a year.

Though I don't know if that is fact or not, but I do recall they said it on the History Channel.
 
Even though I'm younger, unless you're under 20. But I'm guessing not, as you look older than that (not meant in a demeaning way, you still look quite youthful).
What is preventing you to look at the profile to discover I'm 33?
Lakc of curiosity? Lazyness?

Anyway, I still think the destruction of the Templars was financially and politically based.
Of course it was.
 
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