The thread for space cadets!

Today at my work 2 scientists who worked on NASA Mars rover & orbiter missions gave an hour and a half long presentation on the projects they were involved in and various things about Mars. It was pretty awesome.

They mostly worked on cameras on various missions, including cameras on various orbiters and the Curiosity rover, so they mostly talked about those. That included photographs they took of the "face" of mars, various missions already on the planet (viking, phoenix, etc.), dust devils, a polar cap avalanche, dust storms, etc. Some really cool pics and videos I've never seen including a video of Curiosity's descent seen from the view of the camera under its belly.

Both these guys (one guy and one girl) were giving up their jobs at CSPX (Centre for Planetary Science and Exploration) to come do research at the university I work at.. One of them coming to get a degree in something or other. That kind of blew my mind - but I was also very grateful that they ended up here and were able to present all that awesomeness to us. For most of the presentation everyone in the audience was quiet with amazement and taking in all that information, some of which I was personally aware of, but most of the details were new to me.

After they were done presenting, I lined up to ask a "non-serious" question, so I politely allowed everyone else to take their turn first. The keynote presentation (by Canada's top geek, apparently! hilarious and informative guy) wasn't for another hour, and I was happy enough listening to all the questions and answers. When my turn to talk to them came, I don't think they took me seriously at all, because I asked them if they've ever heard of kerbal space program. "Excuse me, what?" was the response by the senior scientist (who looked younger than me even actually), but they both seemed a bit curious, so I explained that it was a "game" that simulated space missions and.. I think I did a bad job of explaining what the hell it is, but was curious if they or any of their colleagues have ever played it since like it seems like something right up their alley. Or perhaps a way to make the general public more interested in space travel - cause I already had an interest.. but.. KSP has blown it up and now I eat the stuff up to a much larger degree.

They probably remember me as "the idiot who asked if we play a space game and thought it was related in any way at all to the hard work we actually do". I'm going to email them though and remind them that I'm that very guy, send them a link, and ask if they think that this sort of thing might inspire some people to get into the sort of work that they do, or anything related. I figure we both now work for the same employer, so they've got to respond ;)
 
I would bet money that they are playing it right now or at least looking up youtube videos.

Did you also tell them you know this internet guy with a crazy gemini spacewalk avatar who they need to convince NASA to hire because reasons and because there may or may not be a first born child/kidney up for barter in exchange?
 
So, today and yesterday, I've seen articles claiming that the higgs boson will doom the universe in some sort of catastrophe, but they never said what exactly this supposed catastrophe is. Anyone know what it is or how?
 
It's all media speculation. The science team working on it anounced they have a big anouncement coming up, but thats it at this point.
 
"Higgs boson will doom the universe in some sort of catastrophe" :lol: Sorry but that is really a weird thing to heard. It is like saying: "electron will doom the universe...". Universe would not exist without it to begin with. Media is always looking for something to afraid people of but this is just ridiculous.

Or maybe they were speaking specifically about the CERN experiments? (which doesnt make much more sense anyway)

BTW, something somewhat related to this: just some days ago bought the new Penrose´s book "Cylcles of Time" Have to read it yet (i hope i understand it better than the last one "Road to Reality" which i got about the 50% only) but the basic idea underlying it is intriguing to say the least, and the first time i heard it was like an epiphany for me.

Basically it says that after huge amounts of time, universe expansion and entropy increase, mass unavoidably breaks down and, therefore, also space (or to say it better distances) since both are related. So infinitely big is in fact the same as infinitely small, so, at some point the old hugely expanded dying universe becomes the singularity whereof a new universe will be born of through a big bang.

Amazing, doesn it? Penrose at his best as always.
 
So, today and yesterday, I've seen articles claiming that the higgs boson will doom the universe in some sort of catastrophe, but they never said what exactly this supposed catastrophe is. Anyone know what it is or how?

The basic gist of is that the mass values (still unconfirmed) indicated that this universe may be in a false vacuum state - which means that in a very long time, the universe will (i think?) tunnel through to the rest vacuum state. That tunnelling will result in a fundamental catastrophic change in the physical state of all matter - fireballs of doom, I think was the phrase I saw.

I can't find the page I read in my history, but I think it was either on Ars Technica or Wired. Not seeing it now for some odd reason :dubious:

I looked at the Cern website and AAAS for something more specific, but couldn't find it.

Bear in mind that further experimental results may preclude this eventuality - if the Higgs has several different masses, then I think they said that would be a relief, and it has to do with a revival of Supersymmetry.

Uppi? Any input??

EDIT: Here's something:
http://trap.it/#!traps/id/11a80242-6298-4e24-bae6-80e383cb92e8/jump/6Ea4blgNK002q6RDkqzb
 
well let me rant pointlessly and without proof of any sorts that it is scientists are on the verge of discovering something big , as far as they are individually concerned , just like 1940s . And similarly enough it takes a scientist to understand it , voila the glorious proposal of 1940s that now that the scientists made the bomb they should also lead the world .
 
The basic gist of is that the mass values (still unconfirmed) indicated that this universe may be in a false vacuum state - which means that in a very long time, the universe will (i think?) tunnel through to the rest vacuum state. That tunnelling will result in a fundamental catastrophic change in the physical state of all matter - fireballs of doom, I think was the phrase I saw.

I can't find the page I read in my history, but I think it was either on Ars Technica or Wired. Not seeing it now for some odd reason :dubious:

I looked at the Cern website and AAAS for something more specific, but couldn't find it.

Bear in mind that further experimental results may preclude this eventuality - if the Higgs has several different masses, then I think they said that would be a relief, and it has to do with a revival of Supersymmetry.

Uppi? Any input??

EDIT: Here's something:
http://trap.it/#!traps/id/11a80242-6298-4e24-bae6-80e383cb92e8/jump/6Ea4blgNK002q6RDkqzb
Sounds like bollocks.
 
Amazing. It must be similar to that dreams where you can fly. We need spacial hotels asap!
 
Bigelow Aerospace has plans for space hotels (the founder made his billions in the hotel industry), but for now they are focusing on developing their hab technology and waiting for launchers capable of putting them into orbit. At first, they are going to lease them to whoever wants them, wether industry or academia, but will probably put their own hotels in orbit eventually.

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Giant comet may hit Mars next year
There is an outside chance that a newly discovered comet might be on a collision course with Mars. Astronomers are still determining the trajectory of the comet, named C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring), but at the very least, it is going to come fairly close to the Red Planet in October of 2014.

"Even if it doesn’t impact, it will look pretty good from Earth, and spectacular from Mars, probably a magnitude -4 comet as seen from Mars' surface," Australian amateur astronomer Ian Musgrave wrote.

The comet was discovered in the beginning of 2013 by comet-hunter Robert McNaught at the Siding Spring Observatory in New South Wales, Australia. According to a discussion on the IceInSpace amateur astronomy forum, when the discovery was initially made, astronomers at the Catalina Sky Survey in Arizona looked back over their observations to find "pre-recovery" images of the comet dating back to Dec. 8, 2012. These observations placed the orbital trajectory of comet C/2013 A1 right through Mars orbit on Oct. 19, 2014.

However, after 74 days of observations, comet specialist Leonid Elenin notes that current calculations put the closest approach of the comet at a distance of 67,853 miles (109,200 kilometers), or 0.00073 AU from Mars in October 2014. That close pass has many wondering if any of the Mars orbiters might be able to acquire high-resolution images of the comet as it passes by.

But as Ian O’Neill from Discovery Space points out, since the comet has only been observed for 74 days (so far), so it’s difficult for astronomers to forecast precisely where the comet will be 20 months from now. "Comet C/2013 A1 may fly past at a very safe distance of 0.008 AU (650,000 miles)," O'Neill wrote, "but to the other extreme, its orbital pass could put Mars directly in its path. At time of Mars close approach (or impact), the comet will be barreling along at a breakneck speed of 35 miles per second (126,000 miles per hour)."

Elenin said that since C/2013 A1 is a hyperbolic comet and moves in a retrograde orbit, its velocity with respect to the planet will be very high, approximately 56 kilometers per second (126,000 mph). "With the current estimate of the absolute magnitude of the nucleus M2 = 10.3, which might indicate the diameter up to 50 kilometers [30 miles], the energy of impact might reach the equivalent of staggering 2×10^10 megatons!"

While the massive Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 (9.3 miles or 15 kilometers in diameter) that crashed into Jupiter in 1994 was spectacular as seen from Earth orbit by the Hubble Space Telescope, the sight of C/2013 A1 slamming into Mars would be off the charts.

Astronomers are certainly keeping an eye on this comet, and they will refine their measurements as more data comes in. You can see the orbital parameters available so far at JPL’s Solar System Dynamics website.
 
If a big comet hit Mars that'd be bad news for Curiosity. 0_0;
 
If a big comet hit Mars that'd be bad news for Curiosity. 0_0;

Really? But doesn't Curiosity rely on electric power from an isotopic thermal generator? Dust on solar panels wouldn't really be a concern, I thought.

And as for the actual impact, Mars is still a pretty big place - There are a lot of ways to hit the planet and not hit near Curiosity.
 
That large of an impact (6x bigger than Chixalub and much, much faster) will create a hailstorm of debris for years on end and there is a high likelihood in my estimation that Curiosity would get hit. On the upside, it would collect awesome data until the point of failure.

Oh and the kicked up dusts and high velocity winds wouldn't be good for it or its sensors either.
 
Really? But doesn't Curiosity rely on electric power from an isotopic thermal generator? Dust on solar panels wouldn't really be a concern, I thought.

And as for the actual impact, Mars is still a pretty big place - There are a lot of ways to hit the planet and not hit near Curiosity.

Well it certainly wouldn't be good news. I don't think there's any way you can slice it like that. Worst case scenario is bad and best case scenario is neutral, leaning bad.
 
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