The Thread Where We Discuss Guns and Gun Control

And then in 2021, it was up to 275.
There were about 20,000 firearm homicides in the US in 2021. Headline may be correct (fastest growing), just don't let anyone think it's a 'large percentage', unless you think 1% is 'large'. Ok, some guns were used in multiple homicides, so there were not 20,000 guns used to commit 20,000 murders, but it's still a small percentage. That's not to say ghost guns should be ignored, just like mass shootings should not be ignored despite being only a tiny percentage of all gun deaths.
 
Shinzo Abe was killed with a handmade gun, right?

In a certain morbid sense, given all the stuff we have access to in society, we're pretty lucky that the angry and clever usually seem to want to use a gun, rather the build or drive something else.
Putin seems pretty angry and clever...
 
The American gun culture is basically a symptom of something more basic; a fundamental and general level of distrust between Americans themselves and between Americans and their own political establishment and institutions. It's likely impossible to improve much on the gun issue, without working on the fundamental issue first.
 
US easily available guns flooding and fueling all the cartel killings in the rest of the Americas too.

Bloody yanks going to take everyone else down with them.
 
Shinzo Abe was killed with a handmade gun, right?

In a certain morbid sense, given all the stuff we have access to in society, we're pretty lucky that the angry and clever usually seem to want to use a gun, rather the build or drive something else.
My working theory there is that the kind of person who has the degree of patience, cleverness, and motivation to carry out an attack like that, tends to be the rational kind of person who isn't going to carry out an attack in the first place.
 
Maybe. But then there's Putin all over there, as mentioned!
 

AR-15: The lethal weapon at heart of US gun debate​

When it comes to America's vast gun culture, no weapon has become as ubiquitous - or controversial - as the AR-15, a gun that is both lauded as "America's Rifle" and vilified as the weapon of choice for mass shooters.
The gun, early versions of which became available in the 1950s, is one of the most popular among American gun owners, with tens of millions currently in circulation. By some estimates, one in 20 Americans owns one. The popularity of the gun even prompted some conservative lawmakers to try to officially designate the AR-15 "the National Gun of the United States".
The semi-automatic AR-15, however, has also become a familiar sight at the scene of mass shootings, including recent deadly incidents in Louisville, Nashville and Uvalde, Texas. Statistics show that AR-15-style weapons have been used in many of the deadliest mass shootings in the US.
But what exactly is an AR-15, and why are they so common?

The history of AR-15s​

The AR-15 was first developed as a semi-automatic rifle for civilians in the 1950s by Armalite, a US firm after which the "AR" is named. In 1959, the design of the weapon was sold to another company, Colt, which soon adapted it into a military, fully automatic version known as the M-16.
The weapon first entered frontline service with the US Army in the mid-1960s, in the early stages of the Vietnam War. While the rifle was initially unpopular among US troops because of frequent jamming issues, production was expanded and in 1969, a modified version - the M16A1 - became the standard service weapon across the US military.

After the Vietnam War ended, Colt began marketing semi-automatic versions of the rifle to US gun enthusiasts and police forces alike, although many gun owners remained wary of the weapon.
Colt's patent for the AR-15 expired in 1977. After that, other firearms manufacturers - such as Remington, Smith & Wesson and Ruger - began producing their own versions.
Colt still holds the trademark to the term "AR-15" and other manufacturers' versions go by different names, but these rifles are still popularly referred to as AR-15s.
While the manufacture, sale and possession of some of these guns was restricted under a US federal ban on semi-automatic assault weapons that was in place between 1994 and 2004, the ban didn't apply to weapons made before 1994.

How many Americans own AR-15s?​

While the exact number of AR-15s in American hands is difficult to determine, data shows that tens of millions are in circulation across the country.
A late 2022 poll from the Washington Post and Ipsos, for example, found that of US gun owners - who constitute 31% of adults - about 20% own AR-15s.

These figures, the Washington Post has reported, suggest that as many as one in 20 - about 6% - of Americans owns an AR-15.
Separate statistics, compiled by researchers from Georgetown University in 2021, found that 24.6 million Americans own AR-15-style rifles.
The data suggested that since many gun owners have multiple weapons, the total number of AR-15s in American hands could be as high as 44 million.

'A million configurations'​

Gun enthusiasts point to a number of reasons for the AR-15's popularity in the US, including its relatively light weight - about 6.5 lbs (3kg) - as well as its ease of use and the ability to customise it with various accessories and additions.
"There are literally over a million configurations, and parts and colours," Christ Waltz, the President and CEO of the AR-15 Owners of America told the BBC. "People talk about it being a Barbie doll for men. You could have different outfits for Barbie, and it's the same with an AR-15 rifle.
"It's also just very easy to shoot. It's lightweight and it's very accurate," Mr Waltz added. "It's simple to use for women and kids when they're involved in shooting sports...it's America's modern sporting rifle. That's what we call it."

Like many enthusiasts, Mr Waltz - who was first exposed to the M-16 as a young Marine in the 1980s - refers to AR-15s as sporting rifles as opposed to "assault weapons", the term often used by gun control advocates.
Scholars who study the proliferation of AR-15s point to several other factors, including pent-up demand dating back to the assault weapons ban and a vast increase in marketing over the last 20 years.
"It became very, very lucrative. AR-15s were cash cows for gun sellers," said Jonathan Metzl, a professor of sociology at Vanderbilt University who researches gun violence. "AR-15 ownership became kind of an identity. There's a lot of examples of people who pushed back on this from within gun culture who got pushed out, including politicians or media commentators."
Additionally, Professor Metzl said that pointed to a marked change over time in why Americans own firearms.
"In the 1970s, 1980s and early 90s, people thought that guns were for hunting, or for tradition," he said. "But when increasing numbers of people thought that they owned firearms for protection against criminals or for property protection, all of a sudden they wanted the most lethal hardware they could get their hands on."

AR-15s in mass shootings​

Detractors of the AR-15 often point to the use of the rifle and similar variants during mass shootings across the US.
One set of statistics, from the Associated Press, USA Today and the Northeastern University Mass Killing Database, found that AR-15s have been used in ten of the 17 deadliest mass killings in the US that have taken place since 2012.
These incidents include the 2017 mass shooting in Las Vegas that left 60 dead, as well as the Sandy Hook Massacre in Newton, Connecticut that killed 26 people - including 20 children.
Another database, kept by Mother Jones magazine, suggests that the culprit in the Louisville shooting was the seventh to use an AR-15 in a mass shooting in the last 11 months.

Gun enthusiasts and gun control advocates alike point to the widespread availability of AR-15-style weapons as among the primary reasons they are so prevalent in mass shootings.
"The availability is there, and the popularity is there," Mr Waltz said, adding that he believes AR-15s are "inanimate objects" and "tools" that are dangerous only in the wrong hands. "It's very unfortunate that this is the gun that's chosen, because it's America's rifle and it's easy to shoot, and we have this problem in society."
Professor Metzl, for his part, said that the simplicity of the weapon that makes it a favourite of enthusiasts also makes it a preferred option for would-be mass murderers.
"If you're trying to kill a lot of people. They're just very effective. You can fire that many bullets per second and at that velocity, it's a perfect killing machine," he said. "There's also a copycat phenomenon."
Data also suggests that purchases of AR-15s spike in the wake of mass shootings, with many enthusiasts fearing changes in legislation that could make it harder to acquire new rifles.
"After shootings, we have a wave of binary conversations. People who believe in gun reform push for legislation, and people on the other side of the aisle use that concern to drive up sales," Mr Metzl said. "There's a concern that there's going to be new legislation and they won't be able to buy."
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65242244
 
"After a shooting took the lives of six people at a private Christian school in Nashville, questions have come up about the motive behind the attack.
Police said they found writings by the shooter in their vehicle and bedroom. They said it is clear from what is documented in these journals that the shooting had been planned for months.
These documents have not been released...Whether or not the shooter’s writings should be released has become a topic of debate, along with the potential motive, which police have also not yet revealed.
Some have asked for the shooting to be characterized as a hate crime, as it targeted a Christian school.

...A recent poll by Rasmussen* showed a majority of those surveyed wanted the documents, which some people have called a “manifesto,” released.
The reason documents like these are so interesting to the public, Dr. Joni Johnston, a clinical and forensic psychologist, said is because people want to understand and prevent tragedies like the shooting from happening again.
“I think we’re all hungry for information, anything that’s going to help us better protect our children, and this is probably part of that,” she said.

...Media psychologist Pamela Rutledge said while she doesn’t know what’s in the writings, it is something that should be evaluated with caution.
“If it’s something that names people and damages others’ reputations, if it incites others to violence — if it does any of those things that violates the social norms, that we would consider not protected by Freedom of the Press or Free Speech, then I would say it needs to be withheld,” Rutledge said. “If it has value in terms of understanding what happened and how to take steps to prevent this in the future, then it should be shared.”

What the really important question to Rutledge is — who gets to make the call on whether writings like these are released?"



*Two thirds of US voters say they want Nashville police to release the manifesto of transgender school shooter Audrey Hale — a sign of growing frustration with the investigation into the deadly attack two weeks ago.



The lack of release of the manifesto has led to rightwing media "Sensationalizing the shooter as a “trans activist” who wrote an anti-Christian screed" and "Speculating about FBI covering up or doctoring the writings."



Should the mannifesto/writings be released?
Is it normal for these types of documents to be released or is it normal for them not to be released following a mass shooting?
 
During her remarks, Noem spoke about her grandchildren: Addie, who is almost two, and Branch, who is a few months old. Noem then said that Addie already had a shotgun and a rifle.

“Now Addie, who you know – soon will need them, I wanna reassure you, she already has a shotgun and she already has a rifle and she’s got a little pony named Sparkles too. So the girl is set up,” said Noem.
:crazyeye:
 
In Kansas city a teenager rang the doorbell to what turned out to be the wrong house, the homeowner answered the door, shot the teenager in the face, then shot him again when he was on the ground. Then the police released the homeowner without charges.

This is the kind of society US pro-gun right-wingers want to live in.
 
In Kansas city a teenager rang the doorbell to what turned out to be the wrong house, the homeowner answered the door, shot the teenager in the face, then shot him again when he was on the ground. Then the police released the homeowner without charges.

This is the kind of society US pro-gun right-wingers want to live in.

I'm just going to guess: The homeowner was white and the teenager was not white, am I correct?
 
I'm just going to guess: The homeowner was white and the teenager was not white, am I correct?
Obviously, otherwise the homeowner would be in jail right now.
 
I'm just going to guess: The homeowner was white and the teenager was not white, am I correct?
Good guess...

Accused shooter in Kansas City shooting of Black teen who went to the wrong house is White man in his 80s​

A White man in his 80s is the individual who apparently shot and seriously wounded Ralph Yarl, a Black teen, on April 13 in Kansas City, Missouri, according to a CNN review of property records, police statements and detention records.
Police learned the teenager’s parents had asked him to pick up his siblings at an address on 115th Terrace, but he accidentally went to a home on 115th Street, where he was shot.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...ong-house-is-white-man-in-his-80s/ar-AA19WVkR
 
One wonders what kind of gun he was shot with, if he
was able to run away after being shot in the head twice.

I suspect senile dementia is as relevant as racism.
 
That's what trials as adult at 12 are for.
 
White folks always have an excuse for leniency and non white folks are always in gangs or doing drugs.
 
One wonders what kind of gun he was shot with, if he
was able to run away after being shot in the head twice.
I can't see any justification for that statement...Do you doubt that he was really shot?:confused:

Anyway no need to wonder. It was a .32 caliber pistol. Those have been known to kill people just fine. And he was shot once in the head. The other shot was in his arm.

Charges filed in shooting of Kansas City teen who rang wrong doorbell​

"He was confronted by a man who told him, ‘Don’t come back around here,’” and then the man “immediately fired his weapon," attorney Lee Merritt said.
The Missouri man who shot a teenager who rang the wrong doorbell while trying to pick up his younger brothers was charged Monday with two felony counts, officials said. An 85-year-old white man, Andrew Lester, has been charged with two crimes in the April 13 shooting of Ralph Yarl, 16, who is Black: assault in the first degree and armed criminal action, Clay County Prosecuting Attorney Zachary Thompson said Monday.
Thompson said no words were exchanged before Lester allegedly opened fire with a .32 revolver, striking Yarl twice — once in the head and once in the arm. Yarl had not entered the home when Lester allegedly shot him through a glass door, Thompson said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...-ralph-yarl-opening-fire-teens-atto-rcna80033
 
White folks always have an excuse for leniency and non white folks are always in gangs or doing drugs.
If you insist.

Sounds like the rich part of town.
 
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