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The Tribal Elders of Delphi

Discussion in 'Civ5 - Stories & Let's Plays' started by mrkingkong, Mar 19, 2014.

  1. Gurra09

    Gurra09 Guru of Hekkia

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    Leonidas was in the royal palace, ready to hand over orders to the Basileus himself, when the news came.

    "Chief Minister! I have news from Apollonia, your wife Alexis sent a message that you are a father now. There is a horse ready for Kirrha tonight if you want to see her", a royal guard said to him right before he went into the Basileus' chamber

    His job as Chief Minister would ordinarily have been more important than any business at home but he had just handed over orders for 10 years to come and this was as good a time as any to see his wife again. He hadn't seen her in months because the pregnancy hadn't allowed her to go to the capital with him.

    He arrived at his doorstep in the wonderful neighbourhood of Agos, right by the sea in Apollonia, two weeks later after riding a horse to Kirrha and then travelling along the coast by boat from there. Alexis smiled when she saw her husband.

    "Leonidas, you are home! Sit, I have great news for you."

    What more news could she possibly have? He had already been told of the birth of his child.

    "Our children are wonderful," ...children? "we have twins, Leonidas! A son, he looks just like you, and a daughter who is the most beautiful baby I have ever seen. What do you think we should name them?"

    "How about I name our son, and you name our daughter?", Leonidas suggested.

    "Then I want our daughter's name to be Lysistrate", Alexis answered.

    "And my son's name shall be Lysimachos. Oh, I have missed you so much, Alexis."
     
  2. Gurra09

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    After spending a lovely week in Apollonia with his wife, Leonidas had to return to the capital to attend to his business as Chief Minister of the Delpian Kingdom.

    I present to the Synedrion a proposed act reforming the number of Synedroi elected by neighbourhoods in order to balance the numbers and avoid situations where "half Synedroi" would be elected by self-governing cities.

    If you wonder why the act only includes rules for capital neighbourhoods, please refer to the Establishment of Voting Rights Act which established that all other Delphian cities will receive voting rights based on the voting rights of the capital.

    Example 1: The Apollonian neighbourhood of Agos votes for candidate Exemplios, and as such elects 2 Synedroi loyal to Exemplios because Apollonia is a settled city.

    Example 2: The Sukhothai neighbourhood of Baan Haat Krai votes for candidate Alexandros, and as such elects 1 Synedros loyal to Alexandros because Sukhothai is a self-governing city.



    ((OOC comment: To clarify, this act doesn't make any game-changing changes, it only doubles the amount of seats but keeps the same proportions as with the current system. I just don't want half persons sitting in parliament and this is the easiest way to achieve that. In hindsight, this could have been included with the first act we passed but it didn't occur to me until yesterday that this would be wise.))
     
  3. Melda

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    Yeah, this is going to be a lot easier to represent graphically in my Synedrian diagrams rather than half neighbourhoods were going to be. :p
     
  4. Gurra09

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    I, Leonidas Siomaios, and my most loyal Synedroi vote Yes on the One Vote Two Synedroi Act.
     
  5. MiguelBazil

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    I vote yes.
     
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    Since the 24 hours of voting are up that means the One Vote Two Synedroi Act passes with 7 Synedroi voting in favour and 5 abstaining.
     
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    Gurra, my only comments on the orders you presented are that the work boat should explore south westwardly on its way to Apollonia, where it will be needed before too long.

    Also,as to trade. Please do not make any trade routes to China. Caravan routes from Delphi Nova to Amsterdam and Te-Moak earn just about as much and do not complicate a future war.
     
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    You're right, there are waters that the work boat could explore to the southwest and we won't need it to build any improvements too soon anyway. What I monder mostly is why it was built at all since there is no workable sea resources yet other than Fish outside Dostana which this boat can't reach.

    I issue a new order to repeal the old work boat order if Melda hasn't played all the turns yet:

    - Work Boat should explore the coust southwards to the east, and then explore the waters to the southwest and along the western the coast of Delphi before returning to Apollonia.

    I vote Aye on this order. ((And Melda, you don't need to hold off playing because of this vote, since 1889 suggested the order he is not against it and as such there will be a majority or at least my plurality within the next 24 hours.))


    As for the trade routes I chose China not only for the money, even though the caravans to China make 3 more gold than caravans to Amsterdam and Te-Moak. Trade routes to China also make the most science out of all trade routes, 4 science each, and I really believe what Delphi needs is a boost to science in every way possible so that we don't fall behind on tech.

    As for wars, I don't see why China would even be a good target within the next 30 turns. There is barely any good way to move troops there because the Netherlands block our way, and all passages (through Zurich Milan and in between Dutch borders) are hilly and full of jungles.
     
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    China is militarily weak, their lands are dense with useful resources, their cities have wonders and works of art and its not like acting nice will be making us friends soon. They have recently denounced us. The lands between us are rough but China is open, land that favors an attacker. We can also demand open borders from the Dutch.

    China is a great target, we would do very well to set our conquest plans in motion.
     
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    One of the most wide-sweeping changes pursued by the government of Chief Minister Leonidas was the blandly titled Neighbourhood Migration Limitations and Deimplementation of Avoid Growth Policies. The great houses in the aristocratic and priestly neighbourhoods remained completely untouched by these changes, and while by and large it didn't affect many neighbourhoods, there were some lower classed communities who were forced to relocate their homes and places of work to accommodate it.

    It began in the outer cities: Kirrha, Dostana, Apollonia.

    Some lower classed specialists, who felt they had been moving up in the world were suddenly thrust back out into the countryside to work in the mines.

    The new Chief Minister's domestic migration policies reversed three years of the former Chief Minister's growth avoidance strategies and neighbourhood freedom.

    Some questioned by what right the Chief Minister had in restricting the free movement of peoples by dictating where they could and couldn't live, but overall it was carried out without too much dissatisfaction.

    The use of more than half of the royal Treasury to fast-track the completion of the Royal Library in Dostana within a single year angered the aristocracy, who are notoriously cost averse (at least when it doesn't involve spending money on themselves) at the best of times.

    The Chief Minister sent envoys to the County of Milan, Despotate of Quebec, and Kingdom of Zurich, where they advised the Count, Despot and King of the Delphian Kingdom's intentions to defend them should they fall under attack. This first foray into foreign policy by the Chief Minister was warmly regarded across most of the kingdom.

    Three vast stretches of forest surrounding Apollonia have been felled. The lighthouse of Apollonia, previously projected for completion sometime in the next century, is now expected to be completed within the life of the current government!

    Spoiler :




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    In foreign affairs, the Dutch Protestant Order has completed work on a great project, the Great Mosque of Djenne!

    Domestically, Kirrha and Dostana have grown in size. Under the sponsorship policies of the Chief Minister, the new neighbourhoods settled into their prescribed housing and planned communities without incident or objection.

    Spoiler :


    Spoiler :


    The work boats, ranging to the southeast from Kirrha toward the coast near Islandia, were alarmed and surprised to realise they were being pursued. The crews were concerned, fearing pirates, but it was merely royal messengers advising them to heave to and tack on a different bearing. Seeing off the messengers, they changed their bearings and headed to the westward waters.

    The capital completed works on an aqueduct. Fresh water flows into the city, breathing new life into it.

    Construction then commenced on building the Oracle of Delphi. Such a great work is expected to take seven years to complete.

    The confirmation of the mine and farm works at Apollonia have pleased the lower classed neighbourhoods.

    With the royal treasury reaching 410, a Royal Library was fasttracked for construction at Apollonia. This has incensed the already-unhappy aristocracy who hate the spending of any money on pursuits other than their direct benefit and leave the royal treasury almost empty.



    172


    The Republic of Zanzibar have heard of the glory of Hellenism, and desire that it be brough to their republic.

    Melodas, the ruler of the kingdom, knew that debate had been going on in the Synedrion for years about the various merits and pitfalls of pursuing war with the Despotate of China. Before putting his seal to authorise trade agreements to the Despotate, he decided to check with the Chief Minister to see if there were any new developments on this front, or if the kingdom should proceed with the trading arrangements already decided by the Government.

     
  12. Gurra09

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    While I get Aplistios' point I say domestic development is of utmost importance for Delphi right now, and that a war isn't an urgent political matter. Trade routes to Beijing and Shanghai will greatly increase our income and our research which will help build not only our military but also other aspects of our kingdom.

    Proceed in accordance with orders already passed by the Synedrion.
     
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    Trade caravans that for many years set out from Kirrha have been relocated to the capital at the Chief Minister's request. This has angered the aristocrats of Kirrha but pleased those living in Delphi Nova.

    New farmlands are being improved near Dostana, pleasing the local farming communities.



    173

    The merchants of the Kingdom of Zurich have heard rumours of wine and want it.

    A new working class neighbourhood is established in the hills near Apollonia.

    The Kirrhan Market is completed. Influential people come together to try and form a writer's guild. It may take some years for the idea to get off the ground.

    More tree felling is expected to take place near Apollonia in the coming years.

    A trade route is established between the Chinese city of Shanghai and Delphi Nova. This has displeased anyone spoiling for a war with the Despotate.

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    The cargo ships that sailed from Kirrha for many-a-year have been drawn from the water and transported by land across the Meldanian Highway all the way to the eastern coastal city of Dostana. It was quite an ordeal. The aristocrats at Kirrha, already angered by the loss of a caravan route are even more annoyed by this development. The aristocrats of Dostana, though, are quite pleased with the fortuitous outcome.



    174

    Our scholars have developed a more efficient way to run the civil service. Their minds now turn to the study of theology, which pleases the kingdom's priests.

    Spoiler The bureaucrats are in charge :


    The Apollonian Lighthouse has been completed! Works have now commenced on a workshop, which is expected to take thirty years to complete unless more workers migrate to the city. Regardless of how long it takes, the labourers in the city are pleased at the job opportunities afforded.

    Farmland near Si Satchanalai abandoned during the Siamese war is improved by workers, pleasing the local farming community.

    Cargo ships laden with goods leave the port at Dostana for the first time, bound for the city of Te-Moak in the mysterious Shoshone Republic. Surprisingly, this greatly pleases a neighbourhood in Apollonia on the opposite coast.

    Spoiler =Trade route :




    175


    Boethius has completed a great work on the progressiveness of nations. It is grim reading for a Delphian.

    Spoiler Read it and weep :


    In other news, the Kingdom of Zurich are undertaking a large project and are looking for investors to aid them realise their goals. Unfortunately the royal Treasury of the Delphian Kingdom is in no state to be of much assistance, if this were something the Government wanted to pursue.

    The Colosseum of Dostana is completed at long last. Construction starts on a stone works, pleasing labourers looking for work and, unsurprisingly, the neighbourhood of Loquia which boasts a stone quarry. It is anticipated to take a decade to complete.

    Trade is established between the capitals of the Delphian Kingdom and the Despotate of China. Warlike neighbourhoods, already annoyed by the previous assumed provocation by the Chief Minister are now taking this as a personally slight against them!

    Spoiler Trade route :


    The intrepid fishing crew cum scouts have cornered a Chinese scouting party in the waters south of the Kingdom of Zurich.

    Spoiler Gotcha! :


    Progressing further westward will risk the ire of the small kingdom. Shall they proceed? Or shall they bear east and skirt along the Islandian coastline? Or shall they bravely take up their fishing spears and box in the Chinese scouts?


     
  14. Gurra09

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    There is no need for the boat to stop its mission, if they wait a turn in their current position they can then travel past Zurich waters without angering the kingdom. We do not need to take Chinese scouts into consideration, these waters naturally come under Delphian domain and they have no special rights to scout here more than our boats do.

    Do I have the Synedrion's approval or are there any other opinions on the matter?
     
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    And while we wait for the Synedrion to respond on the workboat scouting question, could we get the save for turn 175? It is estimated that Delphi's agent in Beijing will steal a tech on turn 177 so it would help if we could have a look and see which techs might or might not be available to steal.

    I'll present the Synedrion with my report when I've had a look.
     
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    Our current technological situation is:

    Spoiler tech tree screenshot :
    Researching Theology (3 turns left) - this will not be done by turn 177.

    That means all technologies possible to steal - if China has them - are techs we are currently able to research but haven't researched yet.

    These are Guilds and Chemistry. Chemistry is a very advanced technology and I do not expect China to have it, but if they do have it we should steal it. Guilds however is on the way towards Printing Press, a technology we can be completely sure the Chinese have since they founded the World Congress and are currently building the Leaning Tower in their capital.

    I therefore propose we steal the technology of Chemistry from the Chinese if they have it, and if they do not we steal Guilds. Do I have the Synedrion's approval for this order?
     
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    OOC: Sorry for overloading the Synedrion with questions, but I really don't want us to stop all the time for small questions so it's better to take them all at once now that we're stopping here mid-term. :)

    IC: In regards to the work boat exploration question regarding whether they should pass Zurich I was thinking of what if a similar issue occurs when the work boat reaches Quebec City? I would like to have a protocol in place for the boat if that were to happen.

    Do I have the Synedrion's approval for the following order:

    - The Work Boat shall in any way it can avoid upsetting the Despotate of Quebec by trespassing, but if this can't be achieved either by sailing through all at once or waiting a turn for more wind ((= more moves if the Work Boat doesn't have all 4 to use)), then the Work Boat shall be allowed to trespass on Quebec City waters for one turn.
     
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    And we're not done yet. The Cities of Kirrha and Dostana are growing in 2 and 3 turns respectively.

    Do I have the Synedrion's approval for the following order on the placement of these new neighbourhoods?

    - The new neighbourhood in Kirrha shall be established on the Cattle pasture northeast of the city.
    - The new neighbourhood in Dostana shall be established on the mine west of the city.

    I know there are a lot of issues up for voting and discussion in the Synedrion now, four of them actually. So please make sure to specify which of the issues you are in favour of, against, or don't have an opinion about.
     
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    The Despotate of Quebec are undertaking a large project and are looking for investors to aid them realise their goals. Unfortunately the royal Treasury of the Delphian Kingdom is in no state to be of much assistance, if this were something the Government wanted to pursue.

    In other news, the city of Si Satchanalai has converted to Protestantism. Traditionalist adherents to Hellenism and the heresy of Stone Circles are troubled by these developments.

    Spoiler Si Satchanalai :


    The mines on the hills around Apollonia are completed. The working parties are now making their way east to Kirrha.

    New farmland is now ready for cultivation. The workers are heading east, awaiting the next land to be released by the city authorities.

    Spoiler Apollonia :


    The work boat scouts passed west through waters of the Kingdom of Zurich without alarming the inhabitants.



    177


    We have confirmed reports that the Polish Catholic Order have adopted the ideals of the Renaissance (advanced into the era).

    Spoiler Polish advancement into the Renaissance :


    Our spies have achieved great things in the Despotate of China on our behalf, and have gained useful experience (rank now Agent).

    They report that the Despotate of China are constructing a great Leaning Tower in Beijing.

    But not only that, they have smuggled out of China the secrets of Guilds, which are now ours! This development has halted some of the anger directed toward the Chief Minister by his critics within the Delphian aristocracy.

    Spoiler Guilds :


    More farmland is cultivated near Dostana, pleasing farmers.

    The Writer's Guild of Delphi has been formally established at Kirrha.

    The people of Kirrha have turned their attention the construction of a National Epic. It is expected to take fourteen years to complete.

    A new mining community has been established at the iron mine in the desert near Dostana.

    Farmland near Delphi Nova, abandoned during the war, is being reclaimed for use as productive farming lands.



    178


    An emissary from the Despotate of China reached the capital to impart the Despotess's words.

    She says she is willing to overlook our theft of her research as long as we promise not to in the future.

    Spoiler Chinese diplomacy :


    Having caught the Basileus on a bad day, the increasingly cantankerous with age Melodas bellowed "my agents go where they please!" and demanded the emissary leave. The royal secretary Phrenios was concerned that this might not have been the most prudent thing to say, and sighed in resignation of the fact that it would be he who had to go to the Chief Minister and explain the Basileus's actions.

    In other foreign news, the Polish Catholic Order have completed the Hagia Sophia.

    The Despotate of Almaty, having heard of the great Hellenic religion, want it to reach their despotate.

    A new farming community is established in the cattle pastures of Kirrha.

    The Oracle of Delphi has been completed.

    Spoiler Oracle of Delphi :


    The aristocracy are so pleased with this marvel that they agree to in principle support for a hereditary monarchy, rather than a wholly elective one. Whether the Delphian Council upholds this promise when the time actually comes for the Basileus's successor to be chosen remains to be seen. Some of the working classes see this as a more away from the egalitarian future they seek and are less than impressed. Farmers, though, think it's a great idea.

    Spoiler Monarchy :



    With the discoveries made in the field of Theology, our wise thinkers turn their attention to the concept of improved Education. Such research is not expected to yield results for another six years.

    Spoiler Theology :


    With the completion of the Oracle of Delphi, the Neighbourhood Migration Limitations and Deimplementation of Avoid Growth Policies finally reached into the heart of the kingdom. Only two neighbourhoods were effected. A farming community was pleased at the better lands they had to work with, and a labouring neighbourhood was displeased at having to put down their mining tools and pick up scythes and learn to work with animals.

    In the great migrations that occurred in the implementation of these policies, the urban neighbourhood in the centre of the capital city have for the first time become aristocrats, granting them a say in the running of the nation.

    Spoiler Delphi Nova :


    Spoiler Anyone interested in the rationale behind this particular change please read this --- it changes a rule I'd implemented previously :
    So, as you know most city centres tend to have high growth yields, so to avoid the unrealistic situation of an urban centre made up of farmers I decided that all city centres were labourers, being where working-class folk would live and work. However, the rule is now as follows: city centres will be whatever yield is highest except for growth. In all cities of the kingdom --- including the Siamese --- this still means that they're working-class, labouring neighbourhoods, but the city centre tile of Delphi Nova has a lot of gold and so is now aristocratic.


    Amidst all the upheaval in the capital, the citizenry commenced works on a National College, which is expected to be completed a decade from now.

    And in the southwest, the scouting fishermen reach the edge of the Despotate.

    Spoiler Brave fishermen :




    179


    Works commence on a mine in a hill near Delphi Nova. This act greatly pleases many of the neighbourhoods in the capital.



    180


    Two workers have arrived Kirrha, awaiting instructions.

    One worker is free in Apollonia, awaiting instructions.

    A new farming community is established in Si Satchanalai.

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    The Basileus of the Delphians and the Siamese, Melodas Melodopoulos, wasn't particularly old. He was only in his sixties. But he felt as though his twilight years were upon him.

    Being Basileus meant he should have any number of pleasures available to him, but surpisingly the one he enjoyed the most was a Synedrian election campaign. He'd only been able to experience one firsthand, the other taking place when he was attending to the funeral of his grandfather Melda in Islandia, but he loved the heady mix of unpredictability, excitement and civic duty all rolled into one. Not that he himself voted in the elections; he felt that as Basileus it was incumbent upon him to not choose or be seen to choose winners.

    He was pleased that the Synedrion had voted to allow for hereditary monarchy, providing certainty for the future rather than the unpredictable game of chance that was the previous elected monarchy. Whether the Delphian Council would honour this agreement that the Synedrion had struck, he didn't know, but he knew that when the day came he had done his best to prepare his eldest son Phrenos to take over from him and continue his policies as a constitutional monarch.

    Spoiler Phrenos? Read this if you're interested! :
    Melodas and Phrenios were both heavily marked by the tragic and violent deaths of their fathers, Melodios and Phrenos, respectively, in the skirmish in which Phrenios alone was able to walk away from. This solidified their friendship into an almost brotherly relationship. In honour of their loss they named their firstborn sons after each other's fathers --- Melodas's eldest son is named Phrenos, and Phrenios's eldest son is named Melodios.


    Thus it was that he sent for a messenger to summon Phrenios, that the royal secretary might invite the Chief Minister to the palace so that Melodas could dissolve the Synedrion in preparation for the new election.

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    The Synedroi of the Second Synedrion were not surprised to receive a summons by the royal secretary Phrenios --- they knew the ten year term was soon to be up, and it was expected the Basileus would undertake their dissolution to undertake fresh elections to determine the makeup of the Third Synedrion, one with Siamese representatives for the first time. What was surprising, though, was that they had been summoned to the Delphian Council by the royal secretary. This was very unusual.

    The Synedroi, headed by the Chief Minister attended the Delphian Council, where Phrenios looked grave and shaken.

    "It is my sad duty," he began, choking back tears, "to report to you the death of the Basileus."

    There was stunned silence. Melodas hadn't been ill, had he? He wasn't particularly old, either!

    "With the Basileus's death the Synedrion is automatically dissolved. The throne sits empty. The Council must acclaim Melodas's successor. The Synedrion passed a law that the Basileus acceded to prescribing that his eldest son is his natural successor. Will the Council honour this law? Speak now."

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    The Basileus is dead. Long live the Basileus!

    Now is the time for the players to decide how they want to proceed. Technically according to the game rules established by MrKingKong back at the beginning of this thread, I have served my maximum term limit of 20 in-game turns and a new player must be chosen as ruler.

    My proposal is that we as the players collectively move to change the game at this point from a democracy game in which I will now surrender the throne to an IAAR where I retain the throne and we keep going with the electoral system I have implemented.

    You've all now had 20 turns to experience my system, and should therefore be able to make an informed decision about whether we want to continue as was originally planned last year as a democracy game, or whether we want to ditch the democracy game setup of switching players every 20 turns in favour of the less predictable and more roleplaying system of elections that I have established.

    Choose wisely, as the fate of the scenario rests in your hands. :)

    I await the Delphian Council's decision.


     

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