The very many questions-not-worth-their-own-thread question thread XXIII

[MagisterCultuum]

I can still see no reason to doubt the accuracy of the Turin Shroud dating.

The dating may be relatively accurate for the sample tested, but that does not mean much for the shroud as a whole. The shroud was repaired at least once during the middle ages, after it was damaged in a fire. To avoid damaging the image itself, the test sample was taken from a portion of the cloth that many believe was actually a later repair.

Particulate evidence seems to point to an origin in ancient Judea rather than medieval Europe. Dirt particles were a match for the limestone of the tombs of ancient Jerusalem. Most of the pollen is from the Jerusalem area and much of it is exclusive to the middle east rather than Europe. I can't seem to find confirmation right now, but I recall hearing somewhere that at least one type of pollen is from a plant that is believed to have gone extinct around the time of the fall of the Western Roman Empire.


There were bacteria living on the cloth, whose respiration could have added fresh Carbon 14 to the cloth and made it appear younger.

 

[sophie]

They dismiss the Catholic Church for being too dogmatic and only existing just to keep the power of the Roman Empire alive.

Oh my god best thing ever.

 

[Lohrenswald]

They didn't mean the shroud when they said that. They meant how people like scientists doubt the existence of things because they can't find scientific proof.

You don't think?

Who are these "they" you speak of? They seem like awful people.

 

[Ajidica]

You don't think?

Who are these "they" you speak of? They seem like awful people.

If I remember right, these are the same people who denounce Skyrim for being too linear.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

If I remember right, these are the same people who denounce Skyrim for being too linear.

It is the same group. The one who brought up the Shroud of Turin and that radiocarbon dating is inaccurate is a jet engine engineer.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

It is the same group. The one who brought up the Shroud of Turin and that radiocarbon dating is inaccurate is a jet engine engineer.

No he's not. You made him up along with all the others in some sort of odd stealth troll.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

I didn't make it up.

 

[Antilogic]

Is radiocarbon dating still used?

Radiocarbon dating is accurate over tens of millenia but cannot be used for really long-term dating (i.e. fossils that are millions of years old). It's the old yardstick and football field problem.

The "doubts" raised by people against radiocarbon dating often involve directly applying the technique where they shouldn't apply it, and then saying it doesn't work.

 

[Quackers]

I didn't make it up.

Do you talk to your friends in real life or are they online "friends"?
I mean when they are saying this to you and you look into their eyes do you see sincerity or do you see a man trying to not burst out laughing at the sheer audacity of what he is saying?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Do you talk to your friends in real life or are they online "friends"?
I mean when they are saying this to you and you look into their eyes do you see sincerity or do you see a man trying to not burst out laughing at the sheer audacity of what he is saying?

I mean, I indulge the random stupid questions for postcount but I refuse to believe anyone has friends that are so stupid as to state that smog is a good thing and there should be more of it.

 

[Quackers]

I agree; it seems so unlikely but its so funny I WANT TO BELIEVE IT.

 

[Chukchi Husky]

Do you talk to your friends in real life or are they online "friends"?

It's real life. I don't talk much, it's just them talking and if I say anything, they either interrupt or say how I'm wrong. I think the last time I said what I thought was when I said that Dragon Ball Z was intentionally terrible, only for them to say it's the greatest animated series ever made.

I mean, I indulge the random stupid questions for postcount but I refuse to believe anyone has friends that are so stupid as to state that smog is a good thing and there should be more of it.

The smog thing I think is to do with smog being present in the past when Britain was the global power.

 

[Ajidica]

The smog thing I think is to do with smog being present in the past when Britain was the global power.

People were also dying from typhus and smallpox when Britain was a global power but somehow I don't think those should make a resurgence.

 

[Borachio]

The dating may be relatively accurate for the sample tested, but that does not mean much for the shroud as a whole. The shroud was repaired at least once during the middle ages, after it was damaged in a fire. To avoid damaging the image itself, the test sample was taken from a portion of the cloth that many believe was actually a later repair.

Particulate evidence seems to point to an origin in ancient Judea rather than medieval Europe. Dirt particles were a match for the limestone of the tombs of ancient Jerusalem. Most of the pollen is from the Jerusalem area and much of it is exclusive to the middle east rather than Europe. I can't seem to find confirmation right now, but I recall hearing somewhere that at least one type of pollen is from a plant that is believed to have gone extinct around the time of the fall of the Western Roman Empire.


There were bacteria living on the cloth, whose respiration could have added fresh Carbon 14 to the cloth and made it appear younger.

That's all very interesting. Can you substantiate any of it? With some citations, of peer-reviewed scientic reports, for example?

(I will naturally accept that they didn't test samples of cloth including the actual image itself. It would seem fairly easy to take a sample of cloth that wasn't clearly a patch, though.)

The only reason I have to be sceptical (apart from the scientific evidence, that is) that the Turin Shroud is actually the image of Jesus is because of the appalling record of the Church peddling other pieces of fakery (and other nefarious practices too). How many tonnes of the pieces of the true cross are there in the world?

In the end, it makes little difference whether this is in fact genuine. It might indeed (incredibly) be an image of Jesus. And so...?

 

[Lohrenswald]

Why not ask random people on the internet with help on a project?

Do any of you have any information on the current state and affairs of vietnamese immigrants in Germany?

 

[The_J]

Would anybody consider it in any way a problem to wash towels with your underwear?

I mean the machine has to be full, you don't wash that much stuff on high temperatures, and the stuff is supposed to clean afterwards, right?

I just had multiple people looking at my like a mixture out of an alien and Hannibal Lecter.
o_O

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Would anybody consider it in any way a problem to wash towels with your underwear?

I mean the machine has to be full, you don't wash that much stuff on high temperatures, and the stuff is supposed to clean afterwards, right?

I just had multiple people looking at my like a mixture out of an alien and Hannibal Lecter.
o_O

How is washing dirty laundry with other dirty laundry weird?

Or maybe they were freaking out over your choice in undies?

 

[Borachio]

Would anybody consider it in any way a problem to wash towels with your underwear?

I mean the machine has to be full, you don't wash that much stuff on high temperatures, and the stuff is supposed to clean afterwards, right?

I just had multiple people looking at my like a mixture out of an alien and Hannibal Lecter.
o_O

No. Provided the temperature is high enough (60C) for you to be comfortable that it's going to have the desired effect on your underpants. The bacteria load on towels can be quite high, in any case. Depending on how often you wash your towels that is.

 

[The_J]

Yeah, that's what I think. No problem with that. Everything is supposed to be dead afterwards.

Was sure at 60°C, that's why I put that stuff together.
Should maybe say that these were the towels for the common kitchen.

But still...WTH people, think what you're saying.

Oh well...it's not me who'll now have to enjoy the sound of the washing machine for half of the night *shrugs*.

 

[Borachio]

Ah. Towels for the common kitchen. That explains the odd looks, if you ask me.