The wheat and the chaff

I asked myself that very question years ago, and stopped calling myself a christian shortly thereafter. I haven't changed my points of view on spiritual matters though, I just realised they aren't christian.
Good for you. You cant get anywhere in life if you cant even be honest with yourself. You cant even return to being Christian unless you first accept that you arent one.

EDIT: In Sweden however, you have to be somewhat brave to say you are christian, as most people will think you're a wacko of some kind.
Yes Ive gathered as much. Hey come on, to be fair, how can anyone believe in God, Christian or otherwise, after eating lutefisk:lol:
 
Why do I call myself a Christian?

Because I can't resign from church, and my mum is Christian so the law says that I'm Christian.
 
I think about 25-50% of people who call themselves Christian are only paying lip service anyway. You might as well ask why Bush calls himself a Christian, because he isn't even remotely close to being what I would call a Christian.
Well, youve touched on something there that Ive always found puzzling. Many people (not all) who I know for a fact are real, practicing, believing, authentic Christians also happen to be very warlike. But to be fair to them, I think that has more to do with their regional culture, than with their faith.
 
Bozo Erectus said:
Well, youve touched on something there that Ive always found puzzling. Many people (not all) who I know for a fact are real, practicing, believing, authentic Christians also happen to be very warlike. But to be fair to them, I think that has more to do with their regional culture, than with their faith.
Perhaps it is the stance "you're either with us or doomed", that comes with the monotheistic religions, that make some followers act aggressively.
 
Religion should not really be a topic to b discussed
 
You dont really believe in the story of Genesis.

You dont really believe Moses parted the Red Sea, or made a stick turn into a snake.

You dont really believe Jesus rose from the dead, or any of the miracles associated with him.

In fact, not only do you not really believe anything in the Bible, youve never actually even read it. Furthermore, assuming it hasnt been years since you stepped inside of a church, chances are you only go on Easter and Christmas, or when a new baby in the family is getting baptized, or someone is getting married.

So honestly, why do you call yourself a Christian?

Actually, I remain open to the possiblity that those things really happened, although there are real world explanations for them as well.

My point is what does it matter to me if God parted the Red Sea for Moses or that God caused some type of natural phenomena to cause the Red Sea to part? Ditto for the pillar of fire that guarded them while they crossed? It doesnt matter to me whether you explain it as lava from an eruption, or Gods power if you believe God is more than capable of showing his power either way.

Bottom line we do not know all the answers and while I fully well recognize that is an appeal to ignorance it is still true. Things occur even today that we just dont have explanations for yet.
 
Could someone explain the thread title?
1In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,

2And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

3For this is he that was spoken of by the prophet Esaias, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

4And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

5Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan,

6And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

7But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

10And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

11I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

12Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Though Im sure a Christian could explain it alot better than me digging up a quote.
 
SEPARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF - "Distinguish the wanted from the unwanted, the valuable from the relatively valueless. It is what one did literally in the ancient agricultural practice of winnowing, one form of which was to expose, say, wheat to the wind so that the chaff blew away and the grains remained.The thought appears metaphorically in the Bible, where John the Baptist, speaking of the one 'that cometh after me,' continues (Matthew 3:12) 'Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.'." From "The Dictionary of Cliches" by James Rogers (Ballantine Books, New York, 1985).

In the bible it's obviously taking this analogy to mean good Christian folk from the sinners or hypocrites.
 
Sidhe said:
Wheat and chaff is an expression to do with threshing when you winnow wheat the lighter chaff or inedible part of the wheat gets separated from the wheat usually being carried off by the breeze, and hey presto soon enough you have separated the wheat from the chaff. Or the good edible wheat from the bad.

In the bible it's obviously taking this analogy to mean good Christian folk from the sinners or hypocrites.
Plus this thread is a good way to chaff those hypocrites a bit.
 
Actually, I remain open to the possiblity that those things really happened, although there are real world explanations for them as well.

My point is what does it matter to me if God parted the Red Sea for Moses or that God caused some type of natural phenomena to cause the Red Sea to part? Ditto for the pillar of fire that guarded them while they crossed? It doesnt matter to me whether you explain it as lava from an eruption, or Gods power if you believe God is more than capable of showing his power either way.

Bottom line we do not know all the answers and while I fully well recognize that is an appeal to ignorance it is still true. Things occur even today that we just dont have explanations for yet.
I agree with the sentiment completely, but when it comes to this, Im very much a literalist. Unless a person believes that the Bible is the complete and literal sacred word of God, I dont see how he can call himself a Christian. Its not open to interpretation, for a christian, its the Word of God, or it isnt. In which case the person isnt a Christian. Please dont interpret that as me presuming to stand in judgement of your level of committment to your faith.
 
I agree with the sentiment completely, but when it comes to this, Im very much a literalist. Unless a person believes that the Bible is the complete and literal sacred word of God, I dont see how he can call himself a Christian. Its not open to interpretation, for a christian, its the Word of God, or it isnt. In which case the person isnt a Christian. Please dont interpret that as me presuming to stand in judgement of your level of committment to your faith.
Actually, I see the bigger problem as some believers taking the sacred book of their religion too literally. I think there are a lot of allegories and metaphors contained in the sacred works of most religions and that a big part of the point of these passages is missed by some who try to make them literal and/or legislate from the altar with them.
 
Actually, I see the bigger problem as some believers taking the sacred book of their religion too literally. I think there are a lot of allegories and metaphors contained in the sacred works of most religions and that a big part of the point of these passages is missed by some who try to make them literal and/or legislate from the altar with them.
The Bible is chockfull of allegories and metaphors, some pretty good ones, and you can learn something from them even if you arent a Christian. But things like Genesis, the first thing you see, and which lays down the very foundation of the entire faith HAVE to be taken literally, or else, why bother? Dont get me wrong, I believe that stories like Genesis were handed down orally from some forgotten past and werent originally meant to be taken literally, however by the time these stories were being gathered together into the holy books of the Hebrews, they were being taken literally and continued to be taken literally by all believing Jews and Christians, until very very recently.
 
The word Christian in my view is not synonymous with good behavior. A true Christian should be a good person, but I honestly would call Joseph Kony more of a Christian than, say, Gandhi.

I dispute Genesis, or even the New Testament, as being necessary. The way I see it, a Christian believes:

a) Jesus of Nazareth had a relationship with God no one else does.
b) through him, we can be redeemed from our shortcomings.

Now, a good Christian will actually follow Christ.
 
Eran, how can someone who doesnt believe the New Testament is necessary, possibly be a follower of Christ?? And how about the Old Testament, the foundation of Christianity. You dont believe the house is necessary, or the foundation of the house, yet you believe that you actually live in the house? How can you have a house without a foundation, or...uh, a house? :confused:
 
But the New Testament is about Jesus Christ. How can one be 'redeemed through Christ' if he believes the New Testament is superfluous?
 
I agree with the sentiment completely, but when it comes to this, Im very much a literalist. Unless a person believes that the Bible is the complete and literal sacred word of God, I dont see how he can call himself a Christian. Its not open to interpretation, for a christian, its the Word of God, or it isnt. In which case the person isnt a Christian. Please dont interpret that as me presuming to stand in judgement of your level of committment to your faith.

I dont think you can take it literally, because literally, we have no true idea of the power of God and how he works. The bible also contains a lot of metaphor...if you take that literally, you will absolutely miss the point - much like Nicodemus did when he couldnt comprehend how a man could be 'born again' in the spirit.

I think God can be both so subtle and in turn so powerful that we truly have no concept of his ability. It would be like playing against a chess grandmaster who sees all possible moves and plans, not just a dozen or so.

No, I dont think you judge me at all. But I dont think mankind, even those who wrote the bible under divine influence, have the capability to fully illustrate Gods ability to affect the world.
 
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