they have found atlantis!

[cegman]

kulade what you keeping her under there she should be inbetween the sheets with you. She wasn't a virgin sometime either before or after jesus was born.

 

[Babbler]

Atlantis was real and located on an island in modern Lake Winnipeg. It was destroyed after the large glacial lake (Lake Agassiz) catastrophically drained because of the eruption of Long Valley Caldera 10 000 years ago. The survivors became the descendants of Indian population in the region, witch how they get their extensive medical knowledge. A select few where able to cross the Atlantic Ocean to set up colonies in the Eastern Mediterranean Sea, where this knowledge was preserved the myth, and passed on to the Greeks, Egyptians and Romans.

 

[bigdog5994]

i just saw the commercial a second ago it looks interesting

 

[Xenocrates]

There's some interesting stuff about Atlantean myths here:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ancatomicwar1.html

The article is about ancient nuclear war and the evidence for it, but the second part tells a tale about Atlantis:

http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/ancatomicwar2.html

Various omens appeared among the gods: winds blew, meteors fell in thousands, thunder rolled through a cloudless sky.
There he saw a wheel with a rim as sharp as a razor whirling around the soma... Then taking the soma, he broke the whirling machine...
Drona called Arjuna and said: "Accept from me this irresistible weapon called Brahmasira. But you must promise never to use it against a human foe, for if you did it might destroy the world. If any foe who is not a human attacks you, you may use it against him in battle. None but you deserves the celestial weapon that I gave you."

Apparently this is in the Mahabharata (can anyone confirm this?):

...(it was) a single projectile
Charged with all the power of the Universe.
An incandescent column of smoke and flame
As bright as the thousand suns
Rose in all its splendour...


..it was an unknown weapon,
An iron thunderbolt,
A gigantic messenger of death,
Which reduced to ashes
The entire race of the Vrishnis and the Andhakas.


..The corpses were so burned
As to be unrecognisable.
The hair and nails fell out;
Pottery broke without apparent cause,
And the birds turned white.


After a few hours
All foodstuffs were infected...
...to escape from this fire
The soldiers threw themselves in streams
To wash themselves and their equipment

Interestingly, Manhattan Project chief scientist Dr J. Robert Oppenheimer was known to be familiar with ancient Sanskrit literature. In an interview conducted after he watched the first atomic test, he quoted from the Bhagavad Gita:

'Now I am become Death, the Destroyer of Worlds.'
I suppose we all felt that way.

When asked in an interview at Rochester University seven years after the Alamogordo nuclear test whether that was the first atomic bomb ever to be detonated, his reply was:

Well, yes, in modern history.

So basically the Indians got smoked by nuke-toting Atlanteans. There's something alluring about stories like this; stories that speak of a lost civilization. I almost wish they were true.

 

[ArneHD]

There are hundreds of submerged cities in the agean sea. Any one of them could be the inspiration for Atlantis, but my personal favourite is the Minoan kingdom.

 

[Sidhe]

Atlantis is a Greek myth but I think it could have sprung up because of the Minoan civilisation which was almost destroyed by an enormous tidal wave. There are several other candidates for the foundation of this myth too.

http://www.ahistoryofgreece.com/bronzeage.htm

The island of Santorini, or Thira, was one of Crete's primary outposts. Much of this civilization we know from the ruins of Akrotiri as well as the ruined palaces in Knossos and around Crete. These were supposedly destroyed by the eruption of the volcano in Santorini at around 1600 BC which created a massive tidal wave. Some believe it was this wave which destroyed the Minoan civilzation, however advances in technology, such as carbon-dating, show that the Minoan civilization did not collapse until around 1450 BC, one hundred and fifty years after the eruption of Thira. So while the calamity may have led to a decline in the fortune of the Minoans (there was certainly plenty of damage and they did lose a trading partner) this was not what destroyed them. According to Plato it was this same wave which wrecked a Greek fleet as it was returning from conquering the Egyptians, which he learned about from Solon. This is all tied in with the theory that Santorini is ancient Atlantis, another story altogether. Besides the large population centers of Crete and Santorini there were smaller independent civilizations on the Aegean islands which were rich in minerals and precious metals.

 

[CartesianFart]

I found Atlantis.In the narrative form in Plato's "timaeus."

Good read if you are fond of rhetorics.

 

[Tee Kay]

There are hundreds of submerged cities in the agean sea. Any one of them could be the inspiration for Atlantis, but my personal favourite is the Minoan kingdom.

What about Helike ? imo that's a very likely inspiration.

 

[Swedishguy]

So now there is about three Atlanises. Oh, these historians... <grumble>

 

[Phlegmak]

Atlantis never existed. Any sunken city that's found simply isn't Atlantis, since Atlantis never existed.

http://skepdic.com/atlantis.html

 

[CartesianFart]

What i want to know is that is there any stories of the Atlantis in writings before Plato's dialogues?

Another is that most people take the story of "Atlantis" literally.It was only a story for rhetorical purposes in order to tell a story of creation.An exercise.

 

[Sidhe]

What i want to know is that is there any stories of the Atlantis in writings before Plato's dialogue?

Another is that most people take the story of "Atlantis" literally.It was only a story for rhetorical purposes in order to tell a story of creation.An exercise.

Same as the Minoans Minotaur, and Perseus and Jason and the Argonauts, no one actually considered them to be real as such or few did. But Greek narative has a deal of artistic license, and like with all stories they become more fantastic in the retelling. Look at Herodotus's histories, a suposedly factual book, does anyone believe the Persians had a million soldiers in the army that invaded Greece or that the messenger met a satyr on mount olympus on his way to Sparta. The Iliad based on the fall of Troy is pretty filled with the machinations of the Gods and lots of invention. Homer's Odyssey is even more fantastic, Atlantis is just a product of the greeks way of story telling. AFAIK Plato was the first to write it down.

 

[North King]

There was probably was more than one "civilization" that was flooded and submerged. The most likely source of these legends came from the end of the Ice Age, with the rising of sea levels. However, there were plenty of other climate disasters to give rise to the myth, located throughout history; as recently as the 15th Century or so. The pervasiveness of the myth indicates strongly that there was not just one civilization that submerged, but many, thus, there are probably quite a few sites that can be called Atlantises.

 

[CartesianFart]

Jesus! I think we are witnessing the end of this thread thanks to the threadkillers as the like of North King,Sidhe,and Phlegmak.

 

[Sidhe]

And I thought studying classical civilisation at school was a waste of time, just goes to show

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Moderator Action: Since the thread has taken a more historical turn, moved to History.

 

[sirtommygunn]

Of course it was. You can't post a news story without a source.

it is at history.com but as i said in my first post i saw it on a commercial the episode should be on sometime in late january

 

[Twonky]

From what I have heard, the continent of Atlantis was an island, which lay before the great flood in the area we now call the Atlantic Ocean. So great an area of land, that from her western shores those beautiful sailors journeyed to the South and the North Americans with ease in their ships with painted sails.

To the East, Africa was a neighbour across a short strait of sea miles. The great Egyptian age is but a remnant of the Atlantian culture. The Antediluvian kings colonised the world. All the gods who play in the mythological dramas in all legends from all lands were from fair Atlantis.

Knowing her fate Atlantis sent out ships to all corners of the earth. On board were the twelve: the poet, the physician, the farmer, the scientist, the magician and the other so-called gods of our legends. Though gods they were and as the elders of our time choose to remain blind, let us rejoice and let us sing and dance and ring in the new hail Atlantis!

 

[Swedishguy]

I suspect they will find Atlantis around the Antarktis coast pretty soon.

 

[Antilogic]

The problem is, you can't definitively prove any single location was called Atlantis. We do not know the vast majority of the names of the Minoan settlements, largely because there is little written "Minoan" history--the Linear A script is largely unknown, and Linear B was mostly used as a trade writing--the only thing we could find were inventories (or do I have it backwards?). Therefore, if we find a sunken city, there is likely not to be a little name plate: "Welcome to Atlantis!". Most (serious) historians agree that Atlantis is a myth that more than likely refers to a Minoan or other contemporary civilization's settlement, like Thera (although not necessarily Thera--maybe another location that has been named above).

The Greeks were renown for incorporating myths and fantastical creatures into their histories, which is why the descriptions of Atlantis are so incredibly far-fetched. More than likely, it was a reasonably advanced society but still contemporary with the Minoans and likely was a Minoan settlement. However, it was just that.

It's just like the Trojans vs. the Mycenaeans. By the time the Greeks proper recorded Homer's stories, the Mycenaeans who fought the war had long fallen from dominance (they called themselves Achaeans, if I recall). Could the Mycenaeans and Trojans have fought a war? Perhaps--the cities have been shown to exist, and they might have been rivals. But that doesn't mean you should ever interpret Greek literature literally.