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We know how evolution works, it produces predators that eventually take over the food chain, like humans.

Evolution is not teleological. It doesn't produce anything "in the end", and it definitely isn't necessarily predators (there is no end to evolution anyway). The "food chain" is a very human-related construct that only really works in a ressource-sparse world.
 
We know how evolution works, it produces predators that eventually take over the food chain, like humans.

I wouldn't trust humans.

You make it sound like I think there's evil monsters out there in space somewhere waiting to find us so that they can destroy us for no reason whatsoever. Do humans look like evil monsters to you?

How does the food chain come into it? No-ones going to travel fricking LIGHT YEARS for food.

No humans don't look like evil monsters to me, but humans also aren't going go out into space looking for other intelligent civilisations to wipe out. Again, too much sci-fi I think.
 
Evolution is not teleological. It doesn't produce anything "in the end", and it definitely isn't necessarily predators (there is no end to evolution anyway). The "food chain" is a very human-related construct that only really works in a ressource-sparse world.

You're misunderstanding my point (and Manfred is outright ignoring it now).

Any sort of intelligent civilization out there would have at some point reached the top of their food chain. You know what though, forget the food chain, that's not important. The point is that dominant species, such as humans, tend to be predators. What sort of traits do species that reach the top of the food chain usually have? Well, we have plenty of examples here on this planet for us to study..
 
Remember when we discovered America, ate turkey with the natives, and then everybody lived happily ever after?
 
You're misunderstanding my point (and Manfred is outright ignoring it now).

How was I ignoring it if I just replied to it?! Not giving you the response you desire counts as ignoring you?
 
How was I ignoring it if I just replied to it?! Not giving you the response you desire counts as ignoring you?

You're just quoting random words from my quotes and responding to them in a soundbite type of way, instead of treating my post as a whole. i.e. ignoring the message in my overall post, and focusing on individual words you can counter with silly sounding retorts like "aliens won't come here for food durrr"
 
I quoted three paragraphs. Three paragraphs which constituted the entirety of your response to me in fact. If you think that constitutes random words then I don't know what to tell you.

Also, you just ignored the other paragraph in my response which was supposedly ignoring yours, so that's really cool too. You know, the one that wasn't about food.
 
What a childish dummy spit.

I'll just add that we only rose to the top of the food chain because our intelligence allowed us to do so, not because we were the dominant predators. Primates don't really fall into the category of predators and we haven't really evolved with the hunting instincts of a lion or a t rex. So your reasoning is already flawed from that point of view, never mind all the other stuff. But I suppose me not agreeing with you is just another example of me "failing to engage" or whatever.
 
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You're misunderstanding my point (and Manfred is outright ignoring it now).

Any sort of intelligent civilization out there would have at some point reached the top of their food chain. You know what though, forget the food chain, that's not important. The point is that dominant species, such as humans, tend to be predators. What sort of traits do species that reach the top of the food chain usually have? Well, we have plenty of examples here on this planet for us to study..

I reject your concept of a dominant species, since it rests on entirely arbitrary (and necessarily man-made) criteria. It is based on outdated ideas like linear progress that I don't buy into anymore. Just one small nitpick that might make you understand that your idea of food chain / predator is entirely based on our perception of the world:

What if there was an advanced civilization that never had competitors for their ressources to start with? Like earth, but there are only humans, plants and bacteria.

Or, even better, what if there is a lifeform that doesn't need any ressources to live, because it in itself is entirely self-sustained, it needs not to breathe nor to eat.

What if said species is also hermaphroditical and has the ability to procreate with itself? Suddenly even sexual selection as a potential catalyst for predatory behaviour is out of the way.

Life is not necessarily diverse, a planet could technically only hold a single "species". Life does not necessarily have to unfold as it did on earth.

But of course the deeper we go down this rabbit hole we realize that our definition of what constitutes "life" is far from perfect, that we only need to think about viruses and wether or not they are "alive" to realize that "life" is literally just a catalogue of 7 criteria that some guy, at some point, came up with and that will change in the next centuries.

The same goes for your concept of "dominant" - Do we "dominate" plants? They have no "will" as we know it.. Do we also "dominate" rocks and rivers and mountains then? Do we "dominate" algea or bacteria or viruses or krill or fruitflies or mites?

Please don't take this the wrong way though, I'm not trying to be upsetting or to entirely reject the premise of your argument, because your argument does work if sentient life arose on a planet similiar (awfully similiar) to earth. I am merely saying that doesn't necessarily have to be the case, infact it is highly unlikely that it is the case because possibilities are endless.
 
I reject your concept of a dominant species, since it rests on entirely arbitrary (and necessarily man-made) criteria. It is based on outdated ideas like linear progress that I don't buy into anymore. Just one small nitpick that might make you understand that your idea of food chain / predator is entirely based on our perception of the world:

Why linear? I never mentioned linear. Or progress.

What if there was an advanced civilization that never had competitors for their ressources to start with? Like earth, but there are only humans, plants and bacteria.

Just one species of animal? I suspect that's not very realistic. Even if that hypothetical scenario could arise somewhere, the pressures of evolutions still apply. That species did not evolve to be the lone species by itself - it likely wiped all other species out along the way of becoming the dominant life on that planet.

Or, even better, what if there is a lifeform that doesn't need any ressources to live, because it in itself is entirely self-sustained, it needs not to breathe nor to eat.

Life needs energy. Without energy you couldn't have movement or reproduction.

What if said species is also hermaphroditical and has the ability to procreate with itself? Suddenly even sexual selection as a potential catalyst for predatory behaviour is out of the way.

I don't see the benefit on going on all these "what if" tangents. Of course all sorts of scenarios are possible. The overall point is that any species that ends up dominating an entire planet's ecosystem got in that position via the principles and dynamics of the theory of evolution. Whether they are hermaphroditical or not doesn't matter.

I'm not saying "Every single intelligent alien out there is going to a crazy predator". I'm saying "Evolution tends to push certain types of species to the top of the food chain, which is why we need to keep quiet and not try to attract the attention or whatever might be out there".

Yep, it's possible that all-loving pancake shaped aliens exist out there somewhere. I do not dispute this.
 
Yeah it's possible that an advanced alien civilization will hook us all up with playstations and prostitutes and magical high tech ears that work a lot better than our current ears... but...
....but don't hold your breath.

OK. I won't.
 
If you want to be noticed, constant illumination is a bad idea, anyway. To maximize the ability of others to detect your signal you should sweep the sky in regular intervals. We know where the stars are, so we might as well target those. With microwaves most of the energy would be wasted into space.



Digital semiconductor detectors for x-rays exist longer than you or me. The first x-ray telescopes were less than 50 years behind the first radio telescopes - compared to galactic timescales that is nothing. If you can reach 100 civilizations instead of one, it wouldn't matter if 2 of those wouldn't have x-ray detectors.

Technological difficulty doesn't matter much. Sure, you could build a microwave detector on your own, but its sensitivity would be quite bad. So it would be very unlikely to detect anything that a more sophisticated system wouldn't. The limit of what would be detected and what wouldn't is set by the state-of-the-art systems and those are constructed by people with the best technical skills.
I cede this argument to you.
 
So the Twilight Zone and "To serve Man" raises its ugly head.

Based upon the cosmicological backwater where Earth is located, then whatever visitors arrive, may be be effectively hicks themselves.
 
Based upon the cosmicological backwater where Earth is located, then whatever visitors arrive, may be be effectively hicks themselves.

It might explain all the anal probing.
 
There is no reason to believe an advanced nonhuman species that displays advanced technology is also a better species that we should emulate. For all we know, Earth may be a freak show for teenage extraterrestrials to amuse themselves. It might be like crazy children burning ants with magnifying glasses.
 
uganda vs Tanzania was a very meaningful war . Idi Amin was supported by these "most efficient" people , like from Tel Aviv and Tanzanians were not . Result filled all those Black people in Africa with pride or something .
 
As in Battlefield: LA. Basically it would be a meaningless war, between Uganda and Tanzania.

I have finally found someone else who knows more of the backstory behind that movie.

So many people out there don't know that the aliens that attacked us in Battle: LA would have been on their world's list of least developed nations, and were attacking us because they thought we'd be an easy target to get resources to help them in a war against a greater power on their world.

Imagine the embarrassment when the news on their world reported they were defeated by the primitive monkey people on some backwater planet.
 
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