Terrorist plot in NYC foiled

[mrt144]

There's nothing about Bush, McCain, or Obama in that FOX story.

Maybe they edited it?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Maybe they edited it?

I googled the sentences and the only hit* was the Fox website in PHEONIX, which would make a little more sense for it being in the article since they would be interviewing a local politician about his views of the incident.

*For now at least, at some point CFC OT will be added to the list.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/inter_national/terror_suspects_jihad_052109

 

[Phlegmak]

They did indeed edit it. Too bad. It was such good (and screamingly obvious proof) that they're just a propaganda arm of the Republicrap party.

A lot of the article changed.

Here's the Fox "News" article that Bamspeedy linked to:

Police: Terror Suspects
Wanted to 'Commit
Jihad'

Updated: Thursday, 21 May 2009, 9:13 AM MDT
Published : Thursday, 21 May 2009, 9:12 AM MDT

As part of a holy war against America, four men sought to commit jihad when they plotted to bomb two synagogues and shoot down military planes, the New York City police commissioner said Thursday.

Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly told reporters that the men allegedly "wanted to commit Jihad" and were angry about Muslims being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by U.S. military forces.

"If Jews were killed in this attack … that would be all right," Kelly quoted one of the men as saying at a press conference outside one of the targeted Bronx synagogues.

The defendants — James Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Laguerre Payen — were charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles, the U.S. attorney's office said.

The defendants had allegedly planned to detonate a car with plastic explosives outside the Riverdale Temple, a Reform synagogue, and the Riverdale Jewish Center, an Orthodox synagogue, located near each other in the Bronx.

The men also allegedly sought to shoot military planes at the Air National Guard base at Stewart Airport in Newburgh with Stinger surface-to-air guided missiles.

The men, all of Newburgh, are due in federal court on Thursday in White Plains, N.Y.

Cromitie, David Williams and Onta Williams are native-born Americans; Payen was born in Haiti and is a Haitian citizen, according to authorities.

Three of the men converted to Islam, an official speaking on condition of anonymity told The Associated Press.

The arrests came following a nearly yearlong undercover operation that began in Newburgh, N.Y., about 70 miles north of New York City.

"They stated that they wanted to commit Jihad," Kelly said. "They were disturbed about what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed."

Mayor Michael Bloomberg warned against stereotypes, stressing that Riverdale Temple is open to people of all faiths, including a Muslim girl who sometimes prays there. Bloomberg, Kelly and other city leaders met privately with congregants early Thursday to alleviate security concerns.

Asked why the suspects chose to target synagogues in the Bronx's Riverdale section, Kelly alluded to the proximity to highways, saying it could have been a fast getaway for the suspects.

The defendants planned to "destroy a synagogue and a Jewish community center (that is also a synagogue) with C-4 plastic explosives," acting U.S. Attorney Lev L. Dassin said.

Bloomberg said the alleged plot shows "that the homeland security threats against New York City are sadly all too real and underscores why we must remain vigilant in our efforts to prevent terrorism."

According to a criminal complaint, Cromitie began working with an FBI informant in June 2008 when he told the official that his parents had lived in Afghanistan and he was upset with the ongoing war there, including the deaths of many Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan by U.S. military forces.

Cromitie said he wanted to return to Afghanistan and told the informant about how he'd go to "paradise" if he died a martyr, the complaint said.

He also expressed an interest in doing "something to America," according to the complaint.

The following month, Cromitie and the informant discussed a Pakistan-based terror organization called Jaish-e-Mohammed that the informant claimed to be affiliated with.

In April 2009, Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Payen identified the synagogues they wanted to hit and began conducting surveillance of them as well as of the Air National Guard Base where they intended to strike military planes with Stinger missiles.

The informant supplied them with a missile he said he'd obtained from Jaish-e-Mohammed, but instead, it was an FBI-made device that wasn't capable of being fired, according to the complaint.

Cromitie, David Williams, Onta Williams and Payen are each charged with one count of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the U.S., which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison, and one count of conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles, which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison and a mandatory minimum of 25 years in prison.

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told FOX News that former President Bush and the Department of Homeland Security should be credited for keeping the country safe following the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Maybe the Bush administration might deserve a little credit for the fact that there's not been another attack on the United States of America since 9/11," McCain told FOX News.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said if there can be any good news out of this case it's that "the group was relatively unsophisticated, penetrated early and not connected to any outside group."

One Newburgh resident who lived near Payen described the 21-year-old parolee as a "strange kid."

“He had a lot of psychological problems," Hamin Rashada told the Times Herald-Record.

Since serving a 15-month prison term, Payen lived alternatively in Newburgh and Middletown in upstate New York, with occasional stints on the street.

Rashada told the paper he met Payen through the Orange County Transition Center, a program that helps re-integrate parolees back into society.

A senior life coach with the program, Rashada worked with Payen and encouraged him to attend Friday prayers at Masjid al-Ikhlas in Newburgh, where Rashada is an assistant imam, according to the Herald-Record.

But Payen only attended the Newburgh mosque occasionally, Rashada told the paper. He said he assumed the former inmate must have been introduced to Islam in prison, where misunderstandings of its philosophies can occur because educated teachers can be difficult to find.

When he did attend, Rashada said Payen would try to impress other members of the mosque with knowledge of Islam, but was often incorrect.

Payen would then become quiet and wander off, Rashada told the paper.

A Jewish human rights group issued a statement saying the alleged plot and arrests show that Jews in the United States aren't safe.

"The shocking plan to blow up a Jewish house of prayer with what the jihadist terrorists thought were C-4 explosives is dramatic proof that the dangers from such fanaticism have not passed and that American Jews must maintain their vigilance," the Simon Wiesenthal Center said.

 

[GoodGame]

That's a bit odd since McCain, Septmeber 11th, and Bush have nothing to do with this story.

No stranger than Pelosi being ignorant of water-boarding.

 

[Simple Simon]

Now, which torture subject's confession helped find them?

 

[Phlegmak]

No stranger than Pelosi being ignorant of water-boarding.

Wait a minute. It looks like you're comparing apples and oranges here. They mentioned McCain believing that Bush kept the country safe in a story that had nothing to do with McCain, Bush, or September 11th. If you want to talk about Pelosi lying, that's fine, but the comparison or analogy you're trying to make here doesn't exist. It looks like you are also injecting politics where it doesn't belong.

 

[civ_king]

well, what we have learned is that New York City is the place to be (seeing how approximately 25% of Jews in US live there)

 

[choxorn]

More proof that we don't need to torture people: Terrorists are utterly incompetent. Terryfing terrorists, but not smart terrorists.

 

[MobBoss]

The BBC reports that all four men are Muslim.

That darned biased BBC! How dare they allege people trying to blow up Jews are Muslims! They arent any better than Foxnews!

 

[MobBoss]

Wait a minute. It looks like you're comparing apples and oranges here. They mentioned McCain believing that Bush kept the country safe in a story that had nothing to do with McCain, Bush, or September 11th. If you want to talk about Pelosi lying, that's fine, but the comparison or analogy you're trying to make here doesn't exist. It looks like you are also injecting politics where it doesn't belong.

You dont think the provisions/changes/homeland security office that the Bush admin implemented have helped keep the country more secure and made it easier to detect and foil attempts like this?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Or how to tell whether its a real bomb when they get one.
Any neonazi could have done a "better" job and they are not known for their intelligence.

I wouldn't be too sure of that. The FBI could have made it look like a C4 in every way except for the chemicals in it, so the only way to know if it was real or not would be to look at the chemicals under a microscope. I really doubt neo-nazis would check it with a microscope either.

Four or five years ago, a local Jewish man who just happened to be a member of the JDL was turned in by his wife for plotting to bomb a local mosque. He was found to have pipe bombs and the architectural drawings of the building. Funny how that story didn't make international news...

If you are referring to this event:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/23/florida.explosives/

Then it was indeed international news, since in the article below it comments about BBC news reports of the events (page 5).

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/terrorists_spies/terrorists/dr_robert_goldstein/index.html

And if this was the case you are referring to:

1. Wife didn't turn him in, but he did get caught because of her since she called the cops for a domestic dispute. Turns out later that she knew about the plan (but she did help authorities convict him so she herself would get a lighter sentence).

2. While your argument of 'international' coverage doesn't seem to be warranted, an argument that you might have would be that they received a more lenient sentence than if they had been muslim.

Will have to see how this current case turns out, but in the FL case he didn't go so far as actually placing the bombs at the locations. (Although obviously he had every intention of doing so). And also, another explanation:

The way Emerson sees it, it was likely that prosecutors decided that they had a better shot at getting Goldstein off the street if they charged him under civil rights statutes than by trying to navigate through what were then the uncharted waters of anti-terrorism statutes. Emerson insisted that federal prosecutors have made similar, equally controversial decisions in a number of cases, including cases involving Muslims with alleged links to terror groups. There arent that many terrorism charges made. Most of the charges are made on lesser areas (of the law) because its easier to convict, Emerson told The Forward.

If you look at people connected to 9-11, there are people convicted of perjury, of visa violations, he told the newspaper A visa violation is not exactly a terrorism charge.

 

[GenMarshall]

You dont think the provisions/changes/homeland security office that the Bush admin implemented have helped keep the country more secure and made it easier to detect and foil attempts like this?

Yet it also strips away civil liberties for the American people in the name of security. America was more freer pre 9/11 era.

 

[MobBoss]

Yet it also strips away civil liberties for the American people in the name of security. America was more freer pre 9/11 era.

Nope. You (and me) didnt lose a single 'civil liberty'. Your life today is the exact same thing you had prior to Bush. Same with me. I didnt have any liberties stripped away at all.

What did occur was a lot of the hurdles that stood in the way of our law enforcement entities were removed so they could share information easier. And thats a good thing actually.

 

[emzie]

edit: delete plz, read article wrong

 

[woody60707]

There's nothing about Bush, McCain, or Obama in that FOX story.

They did indeed edit it. Too bad. It was such good (and screamingly obvious proof) that they're just a propaganda arm of the Republicrap party.

A lot of the article changed.

Here's the Fox "News" article that Bamspeedy linked to:

How do you people catch these things? I mean it was updated less then a minute latter. Not even the fox viewers would see that.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Nope. You (and me) didnt lose a single 'civil liberty'. Your life today is the exact same thing you had prior to Bush. Same with me. I didnt have any liberties stripped away at all.

What did occur was a lot of the hurdles that stood in the way of our law enforcement entities were removed so they could share information easier. And thats a good thing actually.

/sigh

How can u give Bush credit for preventing a terrorist attack and at the same time say that Bush had nothing to do with the economic situation ? Its like doublethink especially since the 9/11 comission counter terrorism recommendations were finally passed in 2007(6?).

/sigh

If you nothing to hide you have nothing to fear .... unless you deleted 3 Million emails, a dozen interrogation tapes and refusel to testify under oath to the 9/11 congerssional panel.

Two agencies co-operated on this case FBI and NYPD, Though it would be so like the DHS to try and claim credit. Next DHS foils alqeda plot to attack a navy base when The terrorist tried to have copies of there jihad video burnt on DVDs at kinkos.

 

[Naskra]

This smells like another case of FBI entrapment.

 

[Phlegmak]

You dont think the provisions/changes/homeland security office that the Bush admin implemented have helped keep the country more secure and made it easier to detect and foil attempts like this?

You've got to be kidding. Bush, McCain, and Sept 11th have nothing to do with that story. It's pure political propaganda, which is the same thing that you're doing.

 

[Formaldehyde]

If you are referring to this event:

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/23/florida.explosives/

Then it was indeed international news, since in the article below it comments about BBC news reports of the events (page 5).

I'm really surprised. I tried to find the article earlier this year for a thread on another board and couldn't find any mention of it, which led me to believe that it was likely just a local story.

But it was still almost completely ignored, at least in this country. Did you know anything about it? A Jewish doctor / JDL "terrorist" caught red-handed ready to bomb a mosque right after 9/11? Isn't that huge news, and something you would likely remember?

If he had been Muslim everybody would know his name, and he would be mentioned every single time they tried to do more fearmongering.

1. Wife didn't turn him in, but he did get caught because of her since she called the cops for a domestic dispute. Turns out later that she knew about the plan (but she did help authorities convict him so she herself would get a lighter sentence).

Ah. That's right. I see I was a bit off as to when it happened too. I thought it wasn't quite so close to 9/11...

Will have to see how this current case turns out, but in the FL case he didn't go so far as actually placing the bombs at the locations.

Yeah, but they were real bombs which he apparently made himself.

I bet this case turns out to be like the Miami "terrorists" who were talked into doing everything by an "informant", who also happened to supply them with all the arms and supplies they had.

You've got to be kidding. Bush, McCain, and Sept 11th have nothing to do with that story. It's pure political propaganda, which is the same thing that you're doing.

Yeah, so what else is new.

 

[caketastydelish]

Great so now America has homegrown terrorist as well...