Three Gorges Dam?!?!

[Distraction]

It certainly deserves being the GW that replaces Hoover´s. I think it can even be seen from Space, or so they say. It's a modern prodigy in engineering.

As you posted, Hoovers represents the power of USA back in the 20th century.

The 3G represents China´s industrial power as the "newcomer" which will come to take over the USA´s dominant world position well into the 21st century.

Don't forget that the Three Gorges Dam doesn't just represent China's industrial powers, but also it's tendancy to subjugate its people to achieve such things. How many people were displaced by the dam? 1.9 million have lost/are going to lose their homes.

It's a bit ironic to compare the Hoover Dam -a project started with the intentions of employing as many people as possible during the Great Depression when one in four men in America were unemployed- to the Three Gorges Dam.

 

[knupp715]

Welcome to Civilization Fanatics Center Distraction.

It's a bit ironic to compare the Hoover Dam -a project started with the intentions of employing as many people as possible during the Great Depression when one in four men in America were unemployed- to the Three Gorges Dam.

I see what you mean

 

[troytheface]

i can't believe americans are just gonna stand around while this three gorges monolith gets built. We should build the Empire Damn of America and damn off something really big. Of course we couldn't build a 50 foot levy around a city so maybe it would be to much. And, Bush wants Nuclear plants.
At any rate - Three Gorges wins out over Hoover. Bigger, and probably better.

 

[Dominus Romae]

America already had times of glory. That was on the XX century.

 

[Louis XXIV]

Don't forget that the Three Gorges Dam doesn't just represent China's industrial powers, but also it's tendancy to subjugate its people to achieve such things. How many people were displaced by the dam? 1.9 million have lost/are going to lose their homes.

It's a bit ironic to compare the Hoover Dam -a project started with the intentions of employing as many people as possible during the Great Depression when one in four men in America were unemployed- to the Three Gorges Dam.

I heard an interesting fact somewhere that the Colorado River has been dammed so many times that it no longer empties into the Gulf of California. Instead, it trickles out in what is now a dry stream (but was once a very rich region).

 

[Carver]

3G is good; if they're going to have a dam as a wonder then it may as well be the biggest (although bigger is not always better).

 

[jkp1187]

To blazes with this "de-emphasization" nonsense! Hoover Dam was quite an accomplishment for its era, given the technological constraints of the era. And whatever happened to Darwin's Voyage? Newton's University? These things added a historical, and personal, feel to the game that will be sorely missed.

Why bother calling them "The Pyramids" -- just call them "great stonework project"? How about "Arboretum" for "The Hanging Gardens"? "Big harbor statue" instead of "The Colossus"????

 

[TastySheriff]

"Imunna radioactive u good" -or- "Look at my Sunshine Unit" for Manhattan Project

Thats doubleplusgood

 

[Thunderfall]

And whatever happened to Darwin's Voyage? Newton's University? These things added a historical, and personal, feel to the game that will be sorely missed.

Newton and Darwin probably are Great Scientists in the game.

 

[S.ilver]

"Imunna radioactive u good" -or- "Look at my Sunshine Unit" for Manhattan Project

Thats doubleplusgood

Nice newspeak.

 

[microbe]

It's a bit ironic to compare the Hoover Dam -a project started with the intentions of employing as many people as possible during the Great Depression when one in four men in America were unemployed- to the Three Gorges Dam.

How do you think Pyramids was built? At least 3G Dam has nothing to do with slavery.

 

[seasmath]

i'm all for deemphasizing the western-centric nature of the game (yes, I know most civ consumers are from the West)

The western world has no ancient wonders, so we need some to make up more that... no offense

 

[Robi D]

Don't forget that the Three Gorges Dam doesn't just represent China's industrial powers, but also it's tendancy to subjugate its people to achieve such things. How many people were displaced by the dam? 1.9 million have lost/are going to lose their homes.

It's a bit ironic to compare the Hoover Dam -a project started with the intentions of employing as many people as possible during the Great Depression when one in four men in America were unemployed- to the Three Gorges Dam.

I have read a fair bit about this, it is true around 1.9m people will be moved, but they are basically moving whole towns to new locations, so they aren't going to lose their homes as such. I am sure that this type of thing would be harder to do in a western country, but not impossible. Also bear in mind that 1.9m people isn't a lot in a country of 1.2b. An equivalent project in the US would represent moving 40 000 people.

 

[Willowmound]

How do you think Pyramids was built? At least 3G Dam has nothing to do with slavery.

The Pyramids weren't built by slaves. And please read something before retorting.

On topic: I don't really care about this dam(n) business, but the argument that Three Gorges should be in because it is bigger is a bit weak, innit? No one's arguing the Statue of Liberty should replace the Colossus, though the former is considerably taller.

 

[microbe]

The Pyramids weren't built by slaves. And please read something before retorting.

Read what? You speak as if there was a unanimous conclusion.

 

[dc82]

The Statue of Liberty and Colossus are two separate wonders in Civ 4 now.

 

[TastySheriff]

You know im sure that the main reason they changed it is so they could market it as a new wonder. Coincidently enough we were just talking about "feature-itis" off topic in my assembly class today. Sometimes developers change things simply so that the marketing dept. has something more to trumpet. At least in this case its just cosmetic and wont deter from the functionality (im talking to you microsoft.)

 

[alms66]

The 3GD certainly deserves to be a wonder, IMO. It is a massive project, unsurpassed in the world for its audacity. However, it doesn't deserve to REPLACE Hoover. Hoover was the first really massive dam ever built in the world, thus it deserves to be a wonder. Civ could easily handle both wonders.

 

[knupp715]

The 3GD certainly deserves to be a wonder, IMO. It is a massive project, unsurpassed in the world for its audacity. However, it doesn't deserve to REPLACE Hoover. Hoover was the first really massive dam ever built in the world, thus it deserves to be a wonder. Civ could easily handle both wonders.

I don't know about other people but I wouldn't want them both. Two different dams??? One is fine with me. I actually don't think it really matter which one is in the game. They will probably have the same effects. Either way, one dam is enough.

 

[MRM]

The 3GD certainly deserves to be a wonder, IMO. It is a massive project, unsurpassed in the world for its audacity. However, it doesn't deserve to REPLACE Hoover. Hoover was the first really massive dam ever built in the world, thus it deserves to be a wonder. Civ could easily handle both wonders.

Would be a bit boring - two dams ...

IMO is the 20th century already massiv overrepresented with wonders - so please not even more modern wonders nobody will remember in 500 years from now ...