Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

[Samson]

I'm not a direct descendent of William the Conqueror or Edward III, but I am almost certainly descended from them in some fashion. Time makes us all related in the end.

You have a really good chance of being a direct descendant of William the Bastard (History says 25%). I am not sure what an indirect descendant is.

That's pretty weak for a claim to divine right to rule - or be permanently funded by the public

The exact specifics of the claim comes down to winning battles.

 

[Arakhor]

That's pretty weak for a claim to divine right to rule - or be permanently funded by the public

That's only one of the many reasons why I'm not claiming any money from the Civil List.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

Can they be voted out? What is the path to end the monarchy?

No, that's the exact problem.

 

[Arakhor]

You have a really good chance of being a direct descendant of William the Bastard (History says 25%). I am not sure what an indirect descendant is.

That little? The historian Ian Mortimer suggested that anyone born after 1980 or so with both parents and all grandparents of English ethnicity has something like a 90%+ chance of being descended from Edward III.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

How on earth did this race to 13 pages overnight!

 

[Samson]

That little? The historian Ian Mortimer suggested that anyone born after 1980 or so with both parents and all grandparents of English ethnicity has something like a 90%+ chance of being descended from Edward III.

I just googled. I thought it was a bit low as well, but it really depends on the shape of peoples network throughout history. The amount people moved between villages to find partners has a massive effect on the numbers.

 

[sherbz]

Yeah if you think about it mathematically, everyone has 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents and so on. So you dont have to go very far back in generations before you far exceed the population of the UK:

2
4
8
16
32
64
128
256
512
1,024
2,048
4,096
8,192
16,384
32,768
65,536
131,072
262,144
524,288
1,048,576
2,097,152
4,194,304
8,388,608
16,777,216
33,554,432

Thats 25 generations. Lets assume each generation is about 20 years (being the average age at which any one generation gave birth to children). On that premise you only get back 500 years from the above.

The conclusion is that we are all, to a greater or lesser extent, inbreds

 

[Arakhor]

Well, for centuries, nobility and royalty would only breed amongst themselves. It was only really in the 20th Century that that was no longer true on a wide scale and the chance of ethnic Britons being descended from royalty rocketed sky-high.

 

[sherbz]

Well, for centuries, nobility and royalty would only breed amongst themselves. It was only really in the 20th Century that that was no longer true on a wide scale and the chance of ethnic Britons being descended from royalty rocketed sky-high.

Have you not watched Game of Thrones? How many illegitimate children have monarchs had over the ages?

 

[Arwon]

Women's Australian football league has thankfully rescinded the planned minutes silence for games this round, because it is Indigenous round and that's just a real bad vibe to bring.

 

[Arakhor]

Have you not watched Game of Thrones? How many illegitimate children have monarchs had over the ages?

Lots of them, but their offspring don't tend to be recorded that well. Obviously that happens, e.g. William will be the first monarch descended from Charles II, but not all that often.

 

[sherbz]

Lots of them, but their offspring don't tend to be recorded that well. Obviously that happens, e.g. William will be the first monarch descended from Charles II, but not all that often.

Surprisingly many of them are recorded:

Royal bastard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notable mentions go to Charles II who had at least 20 - 14 of whom he recognised. And Henry I, who had at least 24. Thats some going. It only became shrouded in secrecy during Victorias reign. And that really isnt that long ago.

 

[Samson]

Yeah if you think about it mathematically, everyone has 2 parents, 4 grandparents, 8 great grandparents and so on. So you dont have to go very far back in generations before you far exceed the population of the UK:

2
4
8
16
32
64
128
256
512
1,024
2,048
4,096
8,192
16,384
32,768
65,536
131,072
262,144
524,288
1,048,576
2,097,152
4,194,304
8,388,608
16,777,216
33,554,432

Thats 25 generations. Lets assume each generation is about 20 years (being the average age at which any one generation gave birth to children). On that premise you only get back 500 years from the above.

The conclusion is that we are all, to a greater or lesser extent, inbreds

That is one way of looking at it, but those numbers get meaningless quickly. 2^30 is over a billion, and there were not a billion people 600 years ago. It is all to do with how inbred we are, and that will be different for different people and is hard to estimate as we go further back in time.

 

[Kyriakos]

Surprisingly many of them are recorded:

Royal bastard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notable mentions go to Charles II who had at least 20 - 14 of whom he recognised. And Henry I, who had at least 24. Thats some going. It only became shrouded in secrecy during Victorias reign. And that really isnt that long ago.

How many did Boris I have?

 

[Arakhor]

Surprisingly many of them are recorded:

Royal bastard - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Notable mentions go to Charles II who had at least 20 - 14 of whom he recognised. And Henry I, who had at least 24. Thats some going. It only became shrouded in secrecy during Victorias reign. And that really isnt that long ago.

That's more than I thought, but "in general", commoners bred with commoners and so on. Either way, lots of people are descended from royalty and don't realise it.

 

[sherbz]

Thats certainly true in general. Trouble with a lot of this sort of stuff is that virtually no one, outside of royal circles, is actually able to trace their family history back more than 500 years. My dad researched mine. He got back to 1680 and then he said he hit a brick wall because beyond that you can only get parish records. And many were destroyed.

 

[Arakhor]

Civil registration of births began in 1837, which is a little later than I thought, but yeah. Sifting through parish records is basically historical research.

 

[EnglishEdward]

How many did Boris I have?

Zero, none of his children are royal.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

Still Bastards though.

 

[Samson]

King Chuck and his royal friends

King Charles has held 95 meetings with eight repressive monarchies in the Middle East since the ‘Arab Spring’ protests of 2011 threatened their power. Charles has played a key role in promoting £14.5-billion worth of UK arms exports to these regimes in the last decade.

• Charles’ visits tend to whitewash the Middle Eastern monarchies’ human rights abuses, often coinciding with repression of opposition activists or the media.
• He plays a key role in cementing UK relations with key allies, acting as a de facto high-level salesman for British arms exports and promoting military cooperation.
• While the palace emphasises his cultural visits, Charles’ meetings are often with senior military, intelligence and internal security officials.
• Charles is also the patron of the UK intelligence agencies.