Time to get rid of the Monarchy?

[Kupe Navigator]

I spoke of connections and inferred allusions to a 'glorious' past.

Every nation has a past dude. What is so wrong with remembering the past. And for all its faults British Empire WAS glorious. Heck the fact that you are using English proves how influential British Empire was. Was it evil in some parts? Yes. But you can't deny it was hugely influential and important. There is nothing wrong or shameful with remembering the past.

 

[Gorbles]

? Can Charles go against Truss? Truss is PM now and weather you like her or not she is the one passing bills and stuff.

I am once again asking you to understand how our country works before trying to invent gotchas.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I am once again asking you to understand how our country works before trying to invent gotchas.

PM of UK has real "hard power" while Monarchy has symbolic "soft power".
That's how it's been and that is how will be. Boris Jonson had real power while Queen had soft power.

 

[Kyriakos]

Every nation has a past dude. What is so wrong with remembering the past. And for all its faults British Empire WAS glorious. Heck the fact that you are using English proves how influential British Empire was. Was it evil in some parts? Yes. But you can't deny it was hugely influential and important. There is nothing wrong or shameful with remembering the past.

I wouldn't be talking English here if it wasn't for the US, true.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

I wouldn't be talking English here if it wasn't for the US, true.

And where did US came from? Spain?

 

[Kyriakos]

And where did US came from? Spain?

Napoleon

 

[AmazonQueen]

PM of UK has real "hard power" while Monarchy has symbolic "soft power".
That's how it's been and that is how will be. Boris Jonson had real power while Queen had soft power.

But in a few years Truss will have lost her power to someone else and I will have some small part in deciding who whilst Charles will keep his for life then pass it on to a member of his family regardless of what people think.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Napoleon

Thirteen Colonies - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Napoleon my butt.

 

[Gorbles]

PM of UK has real "hard power" while Monarchy has symbolic "soft power".
That's how it's been and that is how will be. Boris Jonson had real power while Queen had soft power.

Ah yes, the "symbolic" power to avoid inheritance tax (among many, many other things). Not a real power at all.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yeah, I was referring to when the US became a meaningful power. It was with Napoleon doubling their land with the Louisiana Purchase. He even was conscious of what it would lead to - the fall of Britain as the greatest power.

Then again, you could attribute the rise of the US to Spain too - since Napoleon didn't own most of the land he sold the US, but Spain was at the time under his boot due to the peninsular war.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

Charles will keep his for life then pass it on to a member of his family regardless of what people think.

Can't pass on what he doesn't have.
He will pass on symbolic power like Queen passed on to Charles.

It was with Napoleon doubling their land with the Louisiana Purchase. He even was conscious of what it would lead to - the fall of Britain as the greatest power.

US didn't became meaningful power till WWI.
And British Empire didn't fall till WWI when Australia and NZ asked for more independence.
Your history is wonky.
Britian colonized India way WAY after Napoleon anyway.

 

[Samson]

PM of UK has real "hard power" while Monarchy has symbolic "soft power".
That's how it's been and that is how will be. Boris Jonson had real power while Queen had soft power.

They have the army, that is about as hard a power as it comes.

 

[Kyriakos]

US didn't became meaningful power till WWI.
And British Empire didn't fall till WWI when Australia and NZ asked for more independence.
Your history is wonky.
Britian colonized India way WAY after Napoleon anyway.

Kupe, pls. A few seconds ago you weren't even aware of that I was alluding to, and now you are an expert on history
Anyway, this isn't a good tone, we are just talking, no need to act as if you are a member of the royal family and people insulted you
You are free to be pro-royals.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

They have the army, that is about as hard a power as it comes.

You saing Queen liz was responsible for Falkland war and not thatcher?
What is next George VI was responsible for D-day in Normandy?

Kupe, pls. A few seconds ago you weren't even aware of that I was alluding to, and now you are an expert on history
Anyway, this isn't a good tone, we are just talking, no need to act as if you are a member of the royal family and people insulted you
You are free to be pro-royals.

I just have a need to correct people and I for one cannot stand misunderstanding in history.

 

[sophie]

Didn't you used to say kill all royals?

My position is that monarchy is an inherently immoral form of political organization, and consequently royal families should be stripped of their land and titles, and that we as a society are justified in using any means necessary to do so should they refuse or resist.

Nowhere in that position do I say "the Saudi and British Royal families are literally the same." Indeed, I have made no claims about the moral character of the current or historical legacy of any individual royal family. The comparison was one you inserted as a strawman, and has no relevance to my argument save that they are a) both monarchies, and b) both would probably resist efforts to dispossess them of their privileges and wealth with state-backed violence.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

My position is that monarchy is an inherently immoral form of political organization, and consequently royal families should be stripped of their land and titles, and that those who refuse or resist should be executed.

Hmmm this reminds me of romanov... and Lenin.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Hmmm this reminds me of romanov... and Lenin.

And Simon de Montfort and Oliver Cromwell and Tom Paine and many others.

 

[Kupe Navigator]

And Simon de Montfort and Oliver Cromwell and Tom Paine and many others.

Montfort didn't abolish monarchy so I don't know why you included him. Cromwell was a monarchy all but a name and Tom Paine was American.

 

[sophie]

Hmmm this reminds me of romanov... and Lenin.

or Jefferson or Connolly or Shelley or any number of other famous republicans and anti-monarchists.

 

[Lexicus]

And for all its faults British Empire WAS glorious.

That's a hard yikes from me