Tips appreciated.

Jooonas

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Hey,

My first post on this forum, nice to meet you all.
Im asking for help here. I find myself helpless this once.

I am playing on Monarch difficulty, with 16 opponents and huge map. It should be piece of cake for most experienced players. However, im having hard to time to adapt to a huge map.

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Sorry about the picture, i am not sure if it works. I will try to upload more in a while if it works. If it doesn't i'd appreciate if somebody told me how to make it work properly.


So here's the deal. Im surrounded by 3 gigantic states.

-Julius with 2 vassals and numberless army of war-elephants. I expect him to upgrade any moment. He is saving up money and military tradition is already spreading around the globe. I've seen his armies a few years back when i had open borders. He has the biggest military in the map and his golden age gave him a boost in power. See the power graph.

-Brennus, my old petdog. I made him a monster by bribing him to attack everybody on the map. Former great states vassalized to him. He seems weak but thats only becouse of constant waring. He has lost a great deal of units, but there's no doubt that he'll be upgrading and his score rising like a rocket. He just my vassalized the rest of remaining world, including my neighbour. He is at peace now, with just small bugs left to fight him. My wild guess is that he'll be the leading AI in the next 100-200 years alongside with Julius.

-RamessesII. I beat the hell out of his vassal, Mansa Musa within 5 turns of war. Brennus took his attention while i captured Malinese empire. The war between the egyptians and the Celts was just shorter than i expected. Peace was declared after half a dozen of turns. Heavy fighting reduced the strenght of both. Suddenly one of the strongest computers, and my friend(Wang Kong) vassalized to him without a fight. He is too distant and powerful for me to attack him. He is angry at me, and there's no way im going to make benefit of his lands without getting the romans on my back. I can't bribe him to attack others, either.


Conclusion: The stronger my rivals became, the less they liked me. I feel Romans breathing my back. I can feel sneak attack in my bones any turn. Emancipation and war with alexander has made my cities vulnerable. My military is pathetic, compared to the lead i had, and have. All the AI's here are recovering from war right now. They might look weak, but within a handful of turns they will all become fearsome foes. Biology was researched around 1000-1050 AD. It's an easy map. I've turned it like this myself by playing like a moron. I feel WEAK! What should i do?

Thanks in advance. To make it less complicated for everybody I will try to upload images. Hope it works.

Edit: Here are more pictures.

The world:
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My Civics
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Border with Julius. Next to him my vassal Alexander. His powercul culture works as a defensive fort against the Romans.
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My southern empire, surrounded by the Chinese vassal of the Romans.
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My eartern empire, surrounded by the french(Vassal of Julius), Isabella and the Celts. Last two form a team.
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My Capital. It can reach up to around 200 beakers a turn, at best.
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Tech Tree
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And finally, the diplomacy screen.
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I know it's a bit unclear, but it pretty much explains why the first world war is on sight. About the cash situation. I will be able to raise emergency money from the AI's to run my economy for fairly more than 15 turns. After that, I don't know. Maybe by capturing cities.

Switching to slavery and nationhood would be bring me commerce, whipping and drafting possibility in the cost of science. Using the money tiles instead of specialists would bring me little money, it's definitely the last choice. I have no idea which cities should draft, i've never draft before. God i suck :cry:

Thank you for your time.




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OH geeze, that's such a LOT of AI players. Since I'm not used to that many, I won't even try to pretend I know all the solutions since I"m sure there are too many differences in comparioson to standard defaults.
 
What is diplomacy right now?

My inclination would be to whip/draft a huge army and take out Brennus hopefully bribing the romans to help.

Do you have biology? Do you have artillery or infantry? For the latter, if not, why aren't you researching them instead of electricity???
 
Can you bribe Brennus to attack Julius? If so, then attack Brennus yourself a few turns later while he is distracted.
 
I don't normally play monorch but his is what i would personally do.(I am sure other people have better advice)

1. Whip-draught-buy units. From what i see of your military it doesn't look too bad.

2. Move troops to border cities.

3. Prepare a large task force in case you are attacked. (or so you can attack someone else).

4. Pit the Ai's against eack other.

P.S if you could post more screens or a a save i (and others) may be able to give more accurate advice.
 
you have a huge tech/land/pop lead but a big cash flow problem. -79:gold: with 0% science..

Econ:
Make sure you have a courthouse in ALL your cities. Also find a good location to build a Forbidden palace. Or see if State property or other civic combos helps. Sell/trade some techs for gold. Use Emencipation and convert some farms to cottages and etc.

Military:

Your units are superior to JC's. Build/draft more infantry and cannon/Artillary and declare war on JC. Let him come to you with his cavs, destroy them. Bring his power curve down. Do something to keep Ramasis happy or busy. I would try to bribe Brennus to attack Ramassis.

This is definitly winnable if you solve your cash problem and play smart with diplo. Try fight 1 war at a time while keeping other strong AIs busy. Try fight AIs before they get key techs/mass upgrades.
 
A overexpanded SE... First time I see that :eek:

ABigCivFan is right: Your units are far superior to the Roman ones (mostly medieval/classic ones); you should have no trouble in getting it down. Like he said you should go to Arty ( unless you are planning UN victory :lol: ), and after Industrialism (tanks, Marines) or the Bomber route.

But your biggest trouble is by far the eco situation. SP would be a quick fix, but for that you have to research Communism ASAP ( from my experience, only Mansa would sell it :p ). A quick tech sale would patch it also, but if you don't do something serious about the the eco situation, your units will start to vanish when you need them the most :(

I agree this is winnable, but what is your victory goal? Dom/Conquest would be a nightmare, but you still have time for that. Diplo ... :lol: . Cultural is somewhat stupid with your tech lead. Space is ok , but quite a waste with a so warring world :p . IMHO I would try Dom/Conquest: It sure looks like fun.
 
I would make sure I have a freakin' ton of cannons (preferably artillary), assuming your diplomatic situation is so bad that no one will declare war for you (and that appears to be the case), I'd get a ton of seige north, a healthy chunk south, and city attackers south - I'd DoW Ceasar and let him bring his troops to me - kill the stacks with cannons/artillary as they come at you, and land-grab all of China and France.

That will *crush* Ceasar's power-rating. Declare peace with extortion if WW makes you do so, then DoW again and clear Rome off the board or vassalize him.

Then I'd do the same to Brennus with tanks and artillary - grab Spain first, then smack Brennus in the teeth. England and Germany are non-issues - with only a total of 5 cities between them.

You need the whip, you need to draft, and you need every single part of your empire geared towards war.

Destroy/vassalize Rome (and vassals), then Celtia (and vassals) and you will be untouchable.

As for economy, you better start sacking some cities really fast or whip a whole ton of courthouses (and markets/grocers/banks in your cottage cities) or you're going to lose a huge pile of troops without fighting anyone really fast.
 
Hey,

Thanks for replies! With so much time put on this game i really want to win. The diplomatic situation is a setback :( Everybody seems to be angry for declaring war on their friends. Don't have any religion to raise my popularity level.

Everybody seem to be real stressed about the economy. I will not be able to upgrade, thats for sure. Current cash should last for more than enough turns. 2-4. But don't you all tell me to draft/whip as well?. I personally think it's about time to whip more universities/observatories on the newly captured cities. Thats part of the plan when playing a spiritual leader like monterzuma. His UB has made great value to me keeping my beaker production above the roof :rolleyes:

Slavery and nationhood are pretty much my only hope. I think thats what you have been trying to say. A defensive war against the romans? Okay, i can do that. Just that I know he has fairly more than 40 offensive units at very least. Im afraid of losing the last greek city. What if i am not able to pull off an attack? Possibly losing most my military and only paralyzing myself only to balance romans power graph.

About the money situation, it's not really that grim. I will be on profit after civic switch, and can trade tecnologies for emergency money. Overall i will be able to run my empire for a dozen of turns for sure, which means hours of play.

I still don't know what to do really :( Draftings hard..
 
Don't despair! After you balance the eco thing ( I stress that you have to do that before you think on war preps ), you should draft/whip some units ( by the way, where is your Globe theather city? It has a good food potential ( for the draft)?) and let Ceasar come to you ( this game favours defense badly). If you are worried about your vassal, gift him 2 or 3 obsolete CG units ( to Alex use his AI discounts to upgrade them ;) ).
Your first battle should be in your soil: first law of war is that you try always to choose if,where and when you battle and figthing in your soil slows the enemy, while you can still move at normal speed or wait fortified. After that you should advance to Ceasar territory with lots of cannons/arties and grens ( and some rifles and cavs too) and mop things up. If necessary, cease fire to heal, regroup and to lessen WW ( by the way, Mt Rushmore is a must to these looooong wars. Should consider Police State too ). After JC is a non factor, you basically had won the game...
 
Whip/draft is your friend. Plus as many siege units as humanly possible. Make sure a pile of them get the barrage-line of promotions.

Basically DoW on Rome when he sends his big stacks, hit them hard with barrage siege and then wipe them out with whatever (infantry-type or cavalry-type units). Once you take out his offensive forces with a good kill:loss ratio, then you can go on the offensive.

The concern is Rome bribing someone to help him. That could be ugly...

You want to try and take him out quick and then on to Brennus with veteran units following the same procedure.
 
Hey,

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With a dozen of artist specialists, my border city overwhelmed the newly captures Kagoshimas culture. It was working as a base for most of Caesars offensive force. I immediately declared war before they got away from my grasp. As you can see from the red lights, every single unit in my army used their turn. I lost zero units. :lol:

I switched to nationhood, slavery to whip and draft as the war goes on, but it's definitely looking better than i imagined at first. Thanks for the tips everybody, i'll post the ending of the game if anybody's interested but I should be able to take it from here. :)
 
Get the civic NOW that gives you unlimited specialists, and place just enough workers in your cities for hammers and beakers, ignore growth. If the rest of your empires citizens are converted to scientists you can repair your economy. Your citizens arent very happy right now, but once their happiness scales back upwards, you should be fine. THis is winnable, maybe you should upload the save file as a scenario. It would be a challenge for anyone.

Good luck, just scale your economy up now. you will take a short term time loss, but once you repair this, you should be fine... for a while.
 
And on your next game, work on your diplomacy skills, it will help a LOT :D

with a few less leaders on the map, is my suggestion. way less than that actually, if it's your first real try at focusing on that aspect ;). the more of them there are, the more "worst enemies" you might trade with before you ever meet the guy that hates 'em, and the more friends you might declare on. :crazyeye:

good luck and have fun :)
 
So you are top of the powergraph, researching electricity and there are Roman war elephants on the border? Scary...
 
That is what I was thinking too. So he has a ton of elephants while you have infantry like mad. I can already see how this would turn out if they would attack.
Infantry #1 behind wall: OMG look at them!!!! They have elephants!!!!
Infantry #2 behind wall: Line up guys, TARGET PRACTICE
5 minutes later the enemy couldn't get to the gates anymore because there was a wall of elephant bodies. :p Not really scary. Aka Julius should be a walkover. The stack you are handling should be able to completely obliterate him.

If your economy is killing you like that, you should get:
a. more courthouses
b. state property
c. Switch to free market as it will cash in a lot of trade routes
d. Run merchants in cities with commerce multipliers (markets, banks, grocers, etc....)

Last screenshot: Now that is an attack force. Go kick some roman butt.
 
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