TNT Term 4

[fe3333au]

Have sent to TNT e-mail box and have also PMed greekguy.

Give them sme time to wotk on their wish list ... this may also reveal some insights into the TNT mind

 

[Kentharu]

Dear MIA,

First, my people would like to thank you for your willingness to aid our scouting efforts of Doughnut troops. This will greatly aid our war effort. Even though we are doing well against the D'nuts, any help is great. So far our mighty immortals have been rampaging on the forces of Doughnutia. Only recently, with the battle between Iroq Mounted Warriors and our Immortals, has our advance stalled a bit. Hopefully, your scout's information will aid us in winning this war quickly. So, have a beer on us as thanks! Now, my people have been considering the fact that we have a mutual disdain of the Dougnuts. As we also have a tendency to shy away from diplomacy, when dealing with KISS, we were wondering if you would be interested in a long term alliance with us. This alliance would not neccessarily mean you have to declare war on either nation, rather we would ask of you not to unduly enrich KISS or D'nuts with gifts and trades of technology, gold, and resources. We hope you would be willing to work with us in a partnership to keep our peoples safe and keep KISS on their home continent, be their lonesome. It is imperative to both our peoples that we limit KISS's expansion to being locked away in their homelands...

Now on a more cheery note, our people will discover the secrets of Currency in 1 turn. My people will be willing to trade with you these secrets for some of the following technologies: writing, horseback riding, literature, mysticism, or polytheism. We hope you will find a straight trade for technologies to be fair. We also are offering to begin a cooperative research program. This would entail researching different technologies, for the sole purpose of trading them amongst ourselves later on. We would like to begin this program by offering to research Construction, to be trading to you Greeks. If you offer to research a technology on the path towards Monarchy, I think we could set up this program very quickly. Please consider this offer, as we want to enrich our people's knowledge and power, and we want you to be by our side in this endeavor.

Goodbye for now!

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador

cheers, TNT seeks us out

 

[General_W]

I have said it before, and will say it again...

TNT is our most natural strategic ally.

We must make it clear to them that we have prior deals with KISS we cannot honorably break (Although we should hide the full truth - that KISS is our #1 ally).

We can offer to cooperate to a limited extent on tech - but we can certainly offer a full military alliance against Dnuts. (and to provide covert data on KISS movements).
We should NOT lead TNT to believe we'll directly aid them with KISS - because we won't. But we can provide them intel, and in-directly help them by helping them with the Dnuts.

(This is the last raving on this topic you'll have to listen to for a week! ... Unless I get to post again before I leave tomorrow morning!)

 

[Kentharu]

General is right
i say beware of KISS!! plus this would give us that whole all knowing thingy lol and we can play our intel against them

 

[peter grimes]

It's just too perfect that TNT came to us, asking us for the arrangement we were hoping to secure.... yes... Perfect.

General_W is right, and I'm not just saying that because he appointed me his deputy after getting me absolutely tanked on roasted puppies.

We must toe a fine line here: We remain allies with KISS, but we are TNT's support system against both KISS and Dnut. Therefore, we must figure out a way to remain cooperative with KISS in taking over the other continent, yet at the same time TNT must prevent KISS from taking over their 'half' of the continent.

I'm sure Fe3333au will have no problem with this diplomatic alchemy

 

[fe3333au]

Thanks Ken for posting

I too have the above PM from Greekguy ... very nice they have a tradeable commodity next turn

TNT will offer ...
>Currency 16=480 [68.6] = 413

The wish list ...
>
Horseback Riding 5=150 [21.4] = 107
Writing 8=240 [34.3] = 137
Literature 10=300 [42.9] = 257
Polytheism 12=360 [51.4] = 257
Mysticism 4=120 [17.1] = 69

An option would be this ... 16(480)
Horseback Riding 5=150 [21.4] = 107
Polytheism 12=360 [51.4] = 257

Trade Value is 480 - (120+360) = equal
Real Value is 413 - (107+257) = 49


ASIDE ... Each time Provo opens his mouth I get irritated :shakehead ... see his input on the Who will Win poll I started in UN ... I started the poll for the reason to get some friendly interaction between teams ... do we really want to allign with these clowns

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@ Classical_Hero ... excellent with the beaker costs ... makes it very easy now to crunch numbers

@ Ken ... no biggy ... but in future I would prefer for you to post using this method

1. Open the PM and then press reply
2. Copy this page ... it will give all images and smilies.
3. Paste in quotes ... and a comment

This will let us get the full 'feel' of the document, complete with smilies

 

[classical_hero]

I do not believe that we should waste opur time researching Monarchy since it does not achieve our goal. We have no need for Monarchy so we need to get a different deal done.

 

[fe3333au]

I tend to agree ... but only thinking about possible trade options if we sell Monarchy to TNT and Nuts ... I'd actually prefer to turn research off and get some cash reserves happening ...

These are our only options, since Monarchy is the only outstanding technology we have left from Ancient Age ...

Bare in mind that we still have 2 Goody Huts left to pop ... I'd hate to waste a tech gift on Monarchy

 

[Chamnix]

I definitely agree to stay away from Monarchy. TNT wasn't very specific about what they want. Of the techs in play, I would think HBR is the one we mind giving them least (and the one they care about least). I think Writing is OK to give them because we will want them to have Map Making at some point, and we don't mind them heading to Literature because we don't expect them to live long enough to enjoy the benefits of the Great Library.

I think Writing, Mysticism, and Horseback Riding (17 monopoly cost) is reasonable for Currency (16). But do you want me to offer less to start? Actually in "real" beakers that is already in our favor now.

Again, we need KISS' approval to close a deal like this.

 

[Chamnix]

From TNT:

save is attached

TNT eagerly awaits MIA's reply regarding the proposed technology trades.

It has gotten rather quiet around here - no team posts in over 20 hours... I guess with Mel in tornado recovery, General_W in Mexico, and fe3333au doing his weekend stuff, we are hurting for people.

TNT offered Currency with the save (without accept). We need to decide what we should offer, get them to agree to it, and get KISS' approval. We want this done within 2 turns - the settler from EMP City will be popping a hut upon settling, and we want Currency safely in our possession before then.

To quote myself:

I think Writing, Mysticism, and Horseback Riding (17 monopoly cost) is reasonable for Currency (16). But do you want me to offer less to start? Actually in "real" beakers that is already in our favor now.

Again, we need KISS' approval to close a deal like this.

 

[peter grimes]

For the sake of 'not jerking around', we should present the offer you quoted yourself on. I can try to talk with KISS at some point today to keep them abreast of things. I don't expect them to have any concerns, as this trade also enables us to get Currency for KISS once KISS have something to give back.

So, as to the mechanics of the trade, to we send our offer with accept?

 

[Chamnix]

I'm definitely not going to send our offer with accept until it is more than just my opinion and yours. We have a little time still, and Feaurius will probably be active again tomorrow (or later today - I'm not really sure what time it is in tomorrow-land).

I think KISS may have some concerns - first, they probably don't want TNT to get Writing. Secondly, if we are not going to research Construction and are waiting for KISS to do it, then they won't care if we get Currency now or later. It would be best for KISS if we had to spend our money on it and TNT didn't get any free techs either. I don't know if that will be enough for them to withhold approval and cause an international incident, but I wouldn't count on their acceptance being a sure thing.

 

[peter grimes]

I'll make myself available on AIM later on tonight to see if any of the KISS people are around, just to communicate TNT's proposal.

I'm getting antsy because we are so close to getting out of the AA, and so close to a free tech! I should try and be a little more patient; everything will unfold sooner or later

EDIT: as for Aussie time - You're in NJ, right? Take our time, move ahead 12hours, then add 2: so, noon here is 2am the following day over there. 7am here is 9pm over there. Not too tough to figure out. FE makes it confusing because he seems to be a real nightowl sometimes.

 

[Chamnix]

I am going to offer Writing, Mysticism, and Horseback to TNT for Currency(without accept). I will send them a note explaining that it is being sent in the hopes of being able to close a deal soon although I do not have Foreign Departments approval to close that specific deal - I will post the note here once completed.

 

[Chamnix]

Sent to TNT:

To our friends of Team TNT:

I apologize on behalf on Team MIA for our tardiness in replying. We operate a skeleton crew on weekends, and our noble Foreign Minister has been unavailable. You will see when you receive the save that I have put Writing, Horseback Riding, and Mysticism on our side of the table for Currency. Please note that I put them there to try to expedite our trade to complete it next turn, but unfortunately, I am not authorized to finalize any deals - the final decision must come from our Foreign Minister.

I entered those 3 because in my personal opinion, those are a fair exchange for your offer of Currency. In fact, the beaker cost is slightly to your advantage (17 to 16). If you agree to this deal, then please click accept at your next turn, and I will do my utmost to convince our Foreign Department that such an exchange is in both our nations' best interest.

Yours,

Chamnix
President of Team MIA

 

[fe3333au]

Fantastic Mr. Prez

Sorry about incomudicado ...

Had flu bad ... bad enough to not get free beer at pub

Also last night big thunder and explosions had lightning strike neighbours tree and caused fire ... I investigated and called Fire Brigade ... Electricity and TV stations also went down cause lightning also stuck transmitters on top of mountain.

So everything considered you did well ... since you have already sent the deal, I don't think I need to sent communique to TNT.

Chatting with KISS will be the prime VIP piece of diplomacy to engage in ATM

 

[fe3333au]

I have drafted and sent this trade agreement for TNT to sign.

 

[peter grimes]

"Agreemant" should read "agreement". I can't wait to see their stamp on that one

 

[classical_hero]

EDIT: as for Aussie time - You're in NJ, right? Take our time, move ahead 12hours, then add 2: so, noon here is 2am the following day over there. 7am here is 9pm over there. Not too tough to figure out. FE makes it confusing because he seems to be a real nightowl sometimes.

He's often up when he should be in bed asleep. He is three hours in front of me and I got to bed before he does. Crazy.

 

[Chamnix]

No note from TNT, but they have sent the save with our offer accepted... has this been officially cleared with KISS, or are we accepting anyway, or do we say we changed our minds?

I'd really prefer to accept it, but I would like to hear that KISS doesn't mind...