TNT Term 4

Take the deal ...

In all scenarios it is better to take the deal now ...

KISS knew of our intentions, if they had serious problems then they would have informed us ... I have been on AIM long periods just in case.

If they have rethought our relationship and are planning to end the alliance ... taking it would be the most prudent option for us ...


So Take It !!! Take It !!! Take It !!!
 
You are the boss, but here is my concern... KISS has informed us that they have serious problems. I don't think we can really claim we have their approval on this one.

If they have rethought our relationship and are planning to end the alliance, I think they will do so "honorably" - that is, after Republic and with 10 turns warning. However, if we take this deal without approval, we are giving them an excuse to sneak attack us and claim MIA was the one that broke our deal.
 
I recently recieved this from TNT.

We are glad to here from you again, has many Doughnuts have been killed since then. We were starting to get worried KISS may have found and destroyed your great people. ;) Anyway, we find your offer fair and just, and we will gladly accept. If your Foreign Minister decides to accept this trade as well, I will send over another signed document. However, there is one condition we must request of you. You must promise not to trade the secrets of Currency to the Idiots of KISS or the Nuts of Doughnutia. This is all we ask of you. As we consider you great friends and hold you in high esteem, we expect you to agree to this simple neccessity of my people. Hope to speak to you again, and also hope to learn how to ride a horse, write a letter, and pray in a temple.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador
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Basically they want us to not trade Currency to KISS. Obviously we need to make a choice with this deal because we need to do this trade in a way that can keep both parties happy and give us a tech that is quite valuable.
 
Well, crap. I just played the turn and accepted, and we had no knowledge of that condition at the time. It would have been nice if they had sent that note along with the save so we could have thought about it before accepting. I have a feeling KISS may "pop Currency from a hut".
 
Thanks C_H :wavey:

I would say that they did not give us enough warning ... this letter should have been sent before and NOT the last minute ... In fact it should have been sent with the save ...

Therefore I would suggest that we agree to this ... that in the future we agree to not pass on any techs gained from trading with TNT ...

I do not want to give any intel to TNT about our relationships to others ...

As a gift, we could give intel about KISS wanting to attack them in Middle Ages ... or gift Literature some time in the future so they are not too far behind Nuts

EDIT ... Well I see NO problem ... :lol: we are in the right and cannot be condemned since we knew not of any caveat at the stage of accepting the deal.

@ RIK :worship: thanks for pointing it out buddy :D
 
OK I'm drafting a responce so need feedback ...

But first here is a chat C_H and I were having during this entire scenario ...

C_H on the ball
classicalhero7: Greetings
fe3333au: hi buddy how you?
classicalhero7: Good thanks.
classicalhero7: I just recieved a note from TNT and I have posted it on the team forum and the TNT thread.
fe3333au: ok ... I'll read
fe3333au: was it pm or e-mail?
classicalhero7: PM
fe3333au: damn I wish greekguy would activate his AIM ... I'd love to chat with a TNTer
fe3333au: Ha I've got mail too ... probably Ken has as well
classicalhero7: But I was the first to post it. Finally
fe3333au: That's actually working well

Wild Guess ... thought it may have been next trade proposal
fe3333au: let me guess thet are researching Construction?
classicalhero7: He didn't say

Wrong !!!
fe3333au: just reading now ... it should have been sent earlier ... as we have already accepted ... or maybe not
classicalhero7: Perhaps we could say that we have already done a deal with KISS before we recieved notification about this added clause. ;)
fe3333au: I'd prefer not to mention kiss ...

< This is totally unexpected >
fe3333au: wow a delemma
classicalhero7: why?
fe3333au: I am honest :)
classicalhero7: You not a good diplomat then ... or politican
fe3333au: maybe ... atm we have a lot worst in office ... bloody howard and <reference to Oz politics>

fe3333au: so what do you think ... is Currency required to go to the next age? ... I seem to think it is
classicalhero7: Yes ... But we have already made the deals, so we cannot go back on our word. ... Perhaps my thinking is not that bad afterall, WRT what I said a few days ago. :D
fe3333au: exactly and we will probably have to say that we will not enter into any future dealing by selling on any techs we get from TNT ...

KISS Reference
fe3333au: what did you say few days ago?
classicalhero7: That we should not trade Currency to KISS because the deal works out in their favour too much.
fe3333au: yes I'm getting mixed messages from differnet KISSers ... I want to chat with Whomp ... but he has not been around
classicalhero7: noone form kiss is around

Big vote for favourite Site ... see message from Thunderfall
classicalhero7: Have you voted for Civfanatics?
fe3333au: yes
classicalhero7: good
fe3333au: when I did it was running first
classicalhero7: We might get caught my HL@.net ... HL2
fe3333au: HL ??
classicalhero7: Half Life
fe3333au: Oh yes ... that is popular
fe3333au: but CFC is very diverse population

<interesting discussion about C_H work and the dangers of HF acid>

fe3333au: Have you seen Chamnix's comment LOL
classicalhero7: Not yet
fe3333au: he sent save and accepted before he was aware of the caveat
classicalhero7: I did think that this would happen. We can post them what Chamnix said, because he had no knowledge of that and they should have done this before we were starting to deal with KISS. I liked what Rik said.
fe3333au: yes he cracks me up
classicalhero7: Do you like what I said?
fe3333au: I have to refresh ... 1 sec

Discussing Responce
classicalhero7: So now we need to make up something to say what happened.
fe3333au: I'm drafting up a reply ... which says we didn't know when we accepted and sent turn on
classicalhero7: I could send the reply
fe3333au: but we agree to not pass on to their enemies
fe3333au: Ok draft one up

Classic from Classical hero :lol:
classicalhero7: basiclly we could say this. You losers, you should have said this much earlier, because we have already traded it on. CYA loser. What do you think of that?
fe3333au: LOL interesting diplomacy approach ... it may work ... I should unleash you onto KISS
classicalhero7: What is said on these chats stays with this team.
fe3333au: of course

Second thoughts ?
classicalhero7: Obviously that approach wouldkill us, plus we are much more diplomatic than that.
fe3333au: still it did crack me up :D
classicalhero7: They must have a big L on their foreheads.

Responce is needed to clarify things
classicalhero7: In all seriousness, they left that request way too late.
fe3333au: I agree ... maybe it will give Provo another excuse to bag his team ;)
classicalhero7: The truth is that they did not plan that very well.
fe3333au: as they have much of the game

Middle Age Future
classicalhero7: I think that once we get into the MA, we should almost be smooth sailing for us to win this game.
fe3333au: It will certainly eliminate the UU advantage KISS have on us

< Spoke of wierd world weather >

progress of Draft
classicalhero7: Are you drafting the reply?
fe3333au: yes ... but you can as well ... I'm on a roll ... and we can combine our replies
classicalhero7: I think I better not considering my previous attempt. ;)
fe3333au: LOL

fe3333au: basically I am saying we don't recognise a restriction ... but we are not about to trade in the near future ... but if anything comes up ... we may trade it on

KISS concerns
classicalhero7: What would be bad is if KISS break the deal, by not giving us Construction.
fe3333au: yeah but we won't give them currency nor poly if they don't
classicalhero7: Excellent
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The proposed TNT responce
Greetings greekguy

It is with regret that unfortunately your request to restrict trading Currency came too late.

In future this sort of caveat on trade should be agreed to prior to the swap or at the very least stated along with the game save ...

Our turn taker was not aware of any trade restriction when he accepted the offer, consequently team MIA feel not bound by any restriction to the said trade deal.

However, saying this should not automatically suggest to you that we will be eagerly trading this technology on to your enemies.

All I am saying in all honesty is that we do not recognise any restriction on the Currency and that sometime in the future , if an option to trade may be to our advantage, then we will of course take it. However I can disclose this to you, at the moment we will not be making such a deal with anyone and that we feel supporting Nuts is not to our advantage and that KISS are a big threat.

I hope you can extrapolate what is being stated ... and that our hardlined approach is not too uncomforatable, nor that you are held personally responsible.

Onto a brighter note, glad to hear that the war with the Nutters is going well. All of us in team MIA are excited when we receive news from abroad. Those snippets about your battle victories are most welcome, could you keep the reports coming and even add them to the save.

We sincerely wish you military victories

Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister
(Kentharu and Classical hero, Diplomatic Staff)
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Please reword to eliminate a possible slip:

All I am saying in all honesty is that we do not recognise any restriction on the Currency and that sometime in the future , if an option to trade may be to our advantage, then we will of course take it. However I can disclose this to you, at the moment we will not be making such a deal with anyone and that we feel supporting Nuts is not to our advantage and that KISS are a big threat.
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All I am saying In all honesty we don't recognize any restricitons on trading Currency, as that was not part of the deal we agreed to. But rest assured, we have no current plans to trade this tech with your enemies.

I would reword just to not let them make too much of the phrase "However I can disclose this to you": it implies that there is a fact that we are keeping to ourselves, but it's alright to let them know this little part of it. I'd avoid that style of language.
 
Agreed Mr Grimes :wavey: ... It's good that the halls of MIA are filling with more than just echos ...

Greetings greekguy

It is with regret that unfortunately your request to restrict trading Currency came too late.

In future this sort of caveat on trade must be agreed to prior to the swap or at the very least, stated along with the game save.

Our turn taker was not aware of any limitations placed on the deal when he accepted the offer, consequently team MIA in all honesty don't recognize any restrictions on trading Currency, as that was not part of the deal we initially agreed to. But rest assured, we have no current plans to trade this technology with anyone, especially your enemies.

I hope you can extrapolate what is being stated, and that you are not overly offended by our hardlined approach. I also wish that you are not held personally responsible greekguy.

Onto a brighter note, glad to hear that the war with the Nutters is going well. :goodjob: All of us here in team MIA are excited when we receive news from abroad. Those snippets about your battle victories are most welcome, could you keep the reports coming and even add them to the save.

We sincerely wish you military victories :salute:

Regards

Feaurius III
MIA Foreign Minister
(Kentharu and Classical hero, Diplomatic Staff)
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greekguy said:
Dear MIA,

We are glad to here from you again, has many Doughnuts have been killed since then. We were starting to get worried KISS may have found and destroyed your great people. ;) Anyway, we find your offer fair and just, and we will gladly accept. If your Foreign Minister decides to accept this trade as well, I will send over another signed document. However, there is one condition we must request of you. You must promise not to trade the secrets of Currency to the Idiots of KISS or the Nuts of Doughnutia. This is all we ask of you. As we consider you great friends and hold you in high esteem, we expect you to agree to this simple neccessity of my people. Hope to speak to you again, and also hope to learn how to ride a horse, write a letter, and pray in a temple.

greekguy, TNT Greek Ambassador
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DING DONG!! CHRISTMAS IS COMING!!! cookies anyone? another great letter from those explosive happy people called TNT!!
 
I believe I did ... however just incase I have sent it again ... to greekguy via PM and also to TNT g-mail box.

Document Title : Currency Issue
Hey greekguy ... I seem to recall that I had sent this ... however if not, here it is again ...

> Followed by the document
 
I think you did as well,.... I think you mentioned sending it in the Grand Strategy thread, or Foreign office... I don't quite remember.

So maybe these are the guys fabricating/embellishing battle reports. Of course, I'm probably making way too much of these inconsistencies.
 
This from Greekguy

thanks for the reply, and no, i didn't recieve it. glad you sent a message back as i was starting to wonder what was taking your team so long to reply back to our message. i'll send an official response once i discuss with my team.
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Sorry :blush: I honestly thought that I had sent it when I wrote ... guess there was other issues happening at the time that distracted me ... primarily the KISS stuff ...
 
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