das
Regeneration In Process
Historic names? Well, its up to you, but you should have thought of that in stSbNESI, when you had Tsar Gelion I. 
Toukon Nes I : The Great War
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Gelion
Retired Captain
That was alt. history NES
Anyway I shall be general Vrangel and I shall not lie.
Дасъ, а ты смотришь "гибель империи"? Очень полезный фильм! Нам надо не повторять ошибок наших генералов!
That was code
Anyway I shall be general Vrangel and I shall not lie.
Дасъ, а ты смотришь "гибель империи"? Очень полезный фильм! Нам надо не повторять ошибок наших генералов!
That was code
Sgt.Hellfish
King of the Oceans
hello hello I am here my darlings =]
I do think i shall take this on as you did so nicely find me on msn and inform me. What a lovely nes set up tho, i have to say its looking pretty good so far m8.
- Ok Britain, Sir John French
We have an admiral, i wouldnt say no to another one (bananalee)
we have a Field marshall therefore we can go historical and the army into two corps. I'll handle one you the other ok Constantine?
- Haig was a Field marshall, however he wasnt an idiot. He was like most of the other generals of the time in that he didnt fully understand the full implications of the new form of warfare (britain used mainly timed fuses on their artillary which combined with the amount of experience and skill of all the British forces meant that an advancing enemy caught in open field would meet a fusilade of rifle from the front (British army being the best in the world due to the fact that they were A: volunteers B:All very well drilled and trained C: combat experienced ) and a rain of larger shards from the shells. when the battle of the Somme commenced the same type shells were used and merely rained shrapnell on the dugouts. There were a large number of HE shells but not enough of the 6mill that landed were of that type.
Other than that iam curious as to why Germany who ran a force of conscripts (mainly) along with the other main continental powers has a better training rate considering all of the advantages teh British army has in training and experience?
I do think i shall take this on as you did so nicely find me on msn and inform me. What a lovely nes set up tho, i have to say its looking pretty good so far m8.
- Ok Britain, Sir John French
We have an admiral, i wouldnt say no to another one (bananalee)
we have a Field marshall therefore we can go historical and the army into two corps. I'll handle one you the other ok Constantine?
- Haig was a Field marshall, however he wasnt an idiot. He was like most of the other generals of the time in that he didnt fully understand the full implications of the new form of warfare (britain used mainly timed fuses on their artillary which combined with the amount of experience and skill of all the British forces meant that an advancing enemy caught in open field would meet a fusilade of rifle from the front (British army being the best in the world due to the fact that they were A: volunteers B:All very well drilled and trained C: combat experienced ) and a rain of larger shards from the shells. when the battle of the Somme commenced the same type shells were used and merely rained shrapnell on the dugouts. There were a large number of HE shells but not enough of the 6mill that landed were of that type.
Other than that iam curious as to why Germany who ran a force of conscripts (mainly) along with the other main continental powers has a better training rate considering all of the advantages teh British army has in training and experience?
das said:Stalin, btw, I guessed it correctly. Commander-in-chief NES.
A question - will we have any way to influent things like diplomacy, research, etc? Not control, but INFLUENT (and not exactly OTL ones... Its just that I have a really great idea for a possible WWI weapon...)? I also think tech development should depend on how the war goes - many technologies would not be developped, not as well as in OTL anyway, if, say, the war does not become a trench one. And are military coups in (possibly with the player switching to a different commander-in-chief after the previous one becomes the ruler)?
Confirming Russia, btw.
Yes, when it comes to important diplomacy you will always have a PM informing you and asking for your opinion. You can also be influent on technology if you propose the research in the orders (although you might not get the funding etc etc)
This is Alt hist!, anything can change. so there might not be trenches, you are right.
yes, Coups are very possible, a field marshal can turn against his commander in chief and use the armies at his disposal to rebel for example. so many possibilities!
Sgt.Hellfish said:
The German army had at least 2 weeks of re training and war games a year. and the high command staff had years planning for the war.
the UK and france are not too far from them, they are very well matched.
(plus most of your experience forces are in the colonies and not in europe yet) they will come along in time
The info I have is overflowing. I'll need a few days to process it into something edible.
So how would I know how many ships I have in a tactical fight, BTW?
I can't just say, send one fleet here and duke it out with the other fleet.. RIght?
So how would I know how many ships I have in a tactical fight, BTW?
I can't just say, send one fleet here and duke it out with the other fleet.. RIght?
das
Regeneration In Process
Btw, Stalin - is Alaska Russian? That barely matters at the moment, ofcourse...
Also - I take it I will have to consult with the Tsar about the war plan? Or am I free to do what I could with my forces?
And finally - join the Russian officer corps! Motherland Calls! (Read - we need more feldmarshalls)
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Gelion, firstly, that's Wrangel, not Vrangel. Andъ да, смотрелъ. А ещё читаю "Реку Хронос", что в-общем о том же времени, хотя вряд ли особенно полезно. А ещё - почитай рассказики:
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/xx.shtml
Заранее говорю, сам ничего там не написал. Многие вообщем-то про гражданскую войну, но есть и ПМВ. Особенно рекомендую:
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/let.shtml
Also - I take it I will have to consult with the Tsar about the war plan? Or am I free to do what I could with my forces?
And finally - join the Russian officer corps! Motherland Calls! (Read - we need more feldmarshalls)
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Gelion, firstly, that's Wrangel, not Vrangel. Andъ да, смотрелъ.
А ещё читаю "Реку Хронос", что в-общем о том же времени, хотя вряд ли особенно полезно. А ещё - почитай рассказики:http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/xx.shtml
Заранее говорю, сам ничего там не написал. Многие вообщем-то про гражданскую войну, но есть и ПМВ. Особенно рекомендую:
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/let.shtml
das
Regeneration In Process
Btw, Banana Lee, Gelion - look what wonders indeed!
Telegram to Velikiy Knyaz Nikolay Nikolayevich Romanov
I, General Kathlinski Mihkail Kathinzky am applying for service to Russia.
[soo many cossacks in 'StarCraft Broodwar' 'Use Map Settings' WW1 died in vain to those murdering ravaging hordes of Germans, Austria-Hungarians and Ottomans. I held them of for long, but it did not matter. Half an hour, fifteen minutes, an hour. It was inevitable. ... must be avenged...
PS. Guys, remember not to whine and accept whatever it is Stalin decides on an update.]
Oh this is beautifoul by the way Stalin. Jess beautifoul.
I, General Kathlinski Mihkail Kathinzky am applying for service to Russia.
[soo many cossacks in 'StarCraft Broodwar' 'Use Map Settings' WW1 died in vain to those murdering ravaging hordes of Germans, Austria-Hungarians and Ottomans. I held them of for long, but it did not matter. Half an hour, fifteen minutes, an hour. It was inevitable. ... must be avenged...
PS. Guys, remember not to whine and accept whatever it is Stalin decides on an update.]
Oh this is beautifoul by the way Stalin. Jess beautifoul.
das
Regeneration In Process
I know I'd accept it because I trust his good judgement and understandment of the value of the early 20th century Russian imperial (form of currency, used by polar bears as bribe money interestingly enough). 
Toteone - we really really need an Admiral right now... But if you won't settle for that, sure thing, you will be given command either in Poland or in Armenia (we know things will get ugly there very fast).
Stalin, there are some questions on the previous page.
Toteone - we really really need an Admiral right now... But if you won't settle for that, sure thing, you will be given command either in Poland or in Armenia (we know things will get ugly there very fast).
Stalin, there are some questions on the previous page.
das
Regeneration In Process
(Noticed edited Toteone message. Reminds me of the Turkish Gambit slightly... "I have held for three hours against the main Ottoman forces... AND YOU HAVE NOT SENT A SINGLE REGIMENT TO ASSIST ME! How should I understand this? HOW SHOULD I UNDERSTAND THIS?!")
[...]
I will serve where the Motherland needs me.
Truth be told, my knowledge of naval tactics are somewhat lacking.
The Field Marshall decides.
[...]
ooc: what do admirals do anyway? I mean, uhmmm sail some ships around in Mare Nostrum? Hope not to get sunk? Prey on convoys, sink enemy liners - that sort?
I will serve where the Motherland needs me.
Truth be told, my knowledge of naval tactics are somewhat lacking.
The Field Marshall decides.
[...]
ooc: what do admirals do anyway? I mean, uhmmm sail some ships around in Mare Nostrum? Hope not to get sunk? Prey on convoys, sink enemy liners - that sort?
das said:
GAH! flashbacks!
THOS STUIPID FRENCHMEN AND ENGLISH - SDFG%!#3¤%"#¤¤!"¤!§
Suffice to say a true Russian commaner NEVER gives up, even if it's him against three central powers.
...
so them grim battles in the Caucasus? How'dit go? Never read up on it, but I got the impression it was something of a failure.
das said:Btw, Stalin - is Alaska Russian? That barely matters at the moment, ofcourse...
Also - I take it I will have to consult with the Tsar about the war plan? Or am I free to do what I could with my forces?
And finally - join the Russian officer corps! Motherland Calls! (Read - we need more feldmarshalls)
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Gelion, firstly, that's Wrangel, not Vrangel. Andъ да, смотрелъ.
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/xx.shtml
Заранее говорю, сам ничего там не написал. Многие вообщем-то про гражданскую войну, но есть и ПМВ. Особенно рекомендую:
http://zhurnal.lib.ru/a/alt/let.shtml
No, the americans still bought it.
no need to talk to the tsar of your war plans, just do it.
das
Regeneration In Process
Stalin006:
Does there HAVE to be a map in every order set?
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Toteone:
You decide where you will be more useful - in Poland, in Armenia or in the Black Sea. That said, the Black Sea needs a commander the most - we expect there to be... well, more on that later if you accept the post.
...But, if you want neither of the three... I think I have a pretty good an idea where you could prove useful as well. In fact, unless you want to be an admiral, I think that is the one you will be just as, if not more, useful.
---
Story:
The tensions were rising throughout the 20th century. To the common people, the war seemed barely possible, yet those who studied politics knew that history obeys simple, commercial laws, and that those commercial laws are based on mere petty theft. Britain and France, in their time, grabbed many colonies, but the Japanese and the German competitors also joined the field - they felt that they too had a place under the sun. Austria-Hungary and Russia were extending their influence into the Balkans. Germany and Austria-Hungary, two allies, seeked to gain greater power, hopefully by peace, in this bloodless war of words, the world was in the balance.
The balance was broken. In 1903, the pro-Austrian king of Serbia, Alexander Obrenovic, who mocked the nation's constitution by cancelling it for a few hours to make unconstitutional changes and then "turning it on" again, who was unpopular for his tyrannic rule, died - the military, led by Dragutin Dimitrijevic, invaded his palace and shot him, his Bohemian mistress and some members of his court. The pro-Russian Karageorgevic dynasty rose to power. Peter I's ascension to power in Serbia switched the balance of power in the Balkans decisively in Russia's favor. Prince of Montenegro's sudden death in 1910, followed by the death of his heir from a bombist's hand, resulted in Peter I becoming ruler of both Serbia and Montenegro. The Austrians were trembling with rage, the Germans, too, wanted war, one final war in which they had all to gain and all to lose. Wilhelm KNEW Britain will remain neutral, he was CONFIDENT of it, and also confident that he could beat France and Russia, and ofcourse Serbia-Montenegro was no threat. Nonetheless, he took some precautions, he promised the Dixies and the Mexicans the various French colonies in the Carribean. But this "Hohenzollern Protocol" was eventually intercepted by the British, and they were rightfully frightened. Preparations for a great war, the Great War were on. In 1914, three events happened that, in the end, merely sped it up. Wilhelm Wied Hohenzollern, Emperor of Albania, was overthrown by a pro-French group on June 3rd. This was an insult to Wilhelm II's honor, even if Wied was a very distant relative. Meanwhile, the French forces overran Morocco, ignoring German guarantees.
"No more!" - decided Wilhelm. And began to put pressure of Emperor Francis Joseph to start the war. The old emperor did not want a war, though, he feared for the lives that would be lost, and besides, the Hungarians also protested all and any expansionist policies fearing that the newly-conquered populations would lessen their influence.
But the German policies DID have an ardent supporter and champion in Austria - Archduke Francis Ferdinand. Reluctantly, the old emperor gave in to his son, and the Archduke departed for Sarajevo...
---
Erast Erastovich Fandorin observed the pompous Austrian procession in Sarajevo. The K.U.K. forces were clearly massing, very close to Serbian borders. This was wrong... very wrong. The Austrians wanted a war. Did they really have such illusions about their empire? Or maybe they thought Russia will not attack them? Or maybe... maybe Britain, or even Germany, will support them?
That was not his task, he reminded himself. The sun-tanned man, barely noticeable in the Serb and Bosnian crowd that was watching the first day of the maneuvers, needed to simply gather information,
---
Dragutin "Apis" Dimitrijevic closed his face. This was very serious now, mroe serious then before. He combatted Austrians for many years, starting eleven years ago when he overthrew the satrap Alexander. Now, Serbia was free, ofcourse, but in Bosnia...
In Bosnia there was suffering under the Austrian reign. And according to the recent reports, the Austrian army was conducting VERY major maneuvers there. They were, according to the information from the Russian intellegence, preparing for war.
War. Ofcourse, that war could be the end of Serbia (but not the Serbs - they will never surrender), but it also could be the freedom of Bosnia. Bosnia-Herzegovina called for action, its people were crying for salvation.
Salvation. Dragutin Dimitrijevic, chief of general staff intellegence, was no longer there. But there was Apis, leader of Crna Ruka ("Black Hand"). There was no need for war, Austria will eventually lose Bosnia-Herzegovina anyway.
But how to prevent the war? Simple. The leader of the pro-war movement had to be removed. But how?
Several attempts would be made. Hmm... that young Gavrila Princip was very promising. Very capable. He could be trusted.
---
"It is now or never" - muttered Gavrila Princip. Cabrinovic has failed. But I will not fail. I MUST NOT FAIL.
"Union or Death!" - he shouted as Francis Ferdinand and duchess Sofie entered the hospital. And fired. Fired twice. Both died.
Austrian soldiers surrounded him, and Princip thought about how good it would be to fight them all at once now, but he felt he was too weak. Perhaps they would kill him now; perhaps, later.
But he has done his task. He saw the Archduke's wound. They don't survive from SUCH wounds.
---
The bomb in Sarajevo killed the would-be conqueror of the Balkans. But the bombist played into the hands of Wilhelm II. The Austrians now had a casus belli, and the emperor had to oblige to the German demands. An ultimatum was given to Serbia; most terms were, at Russian advice, accepted, apart from one - according to which, Austrian forces were to enter Serbian territory.
The Serbs could never accept that. The war started. But suddenly, as CSA declared war on France amidst the hurried exchange of these declarations, USA, remembering that Russia was nearly the only nation that supported it - if only morally - in the Dixie Independance War, and spurred by the panicing French diplomats, declared war on CSA and Mexico.
And finally, as German forces prepared to cross through Belgian territory into France, the British government revealed the Hohenzollern Protocol and, amidst patriotic rallies in London, declared war on Germany.
Wilhelm II was aghast. The war was not going to be as simple as hoped. But the war was on, the Rubicon was crossed, and it was too late for anything to change...
Does there HAVE to be a map in every order set?
---
Toteone:
You decide where you will be more useful - in Poland, in Armenia or in the Black Sea. That said, the Black Sea needs a commander the most - we expect there to be... well, more on that later if you accept the post.
...But, if you want neither of the three... I think I have a pretty good an idea where you could prove useful as well. In fact, unless you want to be an admiral, I think that is the one you will be just as, if not more, useful.
---
Story:
The tensions were rising throughout the 20th century. To the common people, the war seemed barely possible, yet those who studied politics knew that history obeys simple, commercial laws, and that those commercial laws are based on mere petty theft. Britain and France, in their time, grabbed many colonies, but the Japanese and the German competitors also joined the field - they felt that they too had a place under the sun. Austria-Hungary and Russia were extending their influence into the Balkans. Germany and Austria-Hungary, two allies, seeked to gain greater power, hopefully by peace, in this bloodless war of words, the world was in the balance.
The balance was broken. In 1903, the pro-Austrian king of Serbia, Alexander Obrenovic, who mocked the nation's constitution by cancelling it for a few hours to make unconstitutional changes and then "turning it on" again, who was unpopular for his tyrannic rule, died - the military, led by Dragutin Dimitrijevic, invaded his palace and shot him, his Bohemian mistress and some members of his court. The pro-Russian Karageorgevic dynasty rose to power. Peter I's ascension to power in Serbia switched the balance of power in the Balkans decisively in Russia's favor. Prince of Montenegro's sudden death in 1910, followed by the death of his heir from a bombist's hand, resulted in Peter I becoming ruler of both Serbia and Montenegro. The Austrians were trembling with rage, the Germans, too, wanted war, one final war in which they had all to gain and all to lose. Wilhelm KNEW Britain will remain neutral, he was CONFIDENT of it, and also confident that he could beat France and Russia, and ofcourse Serbia-Montenegro was no threat. Nonetheless, he took some precautions, he promised the Dixies and the Mexicans the various French colonies in the Carribean. But this "Hohenzollern Protocol" was eventually intercepted by the British, and they were rightfully frightened. Preparations for a great war, the Great War were on. In 1914, three events happened that, in the end, merely sped it up. Wilhelm Wied Hohenzollern, Emperor of Albania, was overthrown by a pro-French group on June 3rd. This was an insult to Wilhelm II's honor, even if Wied was a very distant relative. Meanwhile, the French forces overran Morocco, ignoring German guarantees.
"No more!" - decided Wilhelm. And began to put pressure of Emperor Francis Joseph to start the war. The old emperor did not want a war, though, he feared for the lives that would be lost, and besides, the Hungarians also protested all and any expansionist policies fearing that the newly-conquered populations would lessen their influence.
But the German policies DID have an ardent supporter and champion in Austria - Archduke Francis Ferdinand. Reluctantly, the old emperor gave in to his son, and the Archduke departed for Sarajevo...
---
Erast Erastovich Fandorin observed the pompous Austrian procession in Sarajevo. The K.U.K. forces were clearly massing, very close to Serbian borders. This was wrong... very wrong. The Austrians wanted a war. Did they really have such illusions about their empire? Or maybe they thought Russia will not attack them? Or maybe... maybe Britain, or even Germany, will support them?
That was not his task, he reminded himself. The sun-tanned man, barely noticeable in the Serb and Bosnian crowd that was watching the first day of the maneuvers, needed to simply gather information,
---
Dragutin "Apis" Dimitrijevic closed his face. This was very serious now, mroe serious then before. He combatted Austrians for many years, starting eleven years ago when he overthrew the satrap Alexander. Now, Serbia was free, ofcourse, but in Bosnia...
In Bosnia there was suffering under the Austrian reign. And according to the recent reports, the Austrian army was conducting VERY major maneuvers there. They were, according to the information from the Russian intellegence, preparing for war.
War. Ofcourse, that war could be the end of Serbia (but not the Serbs - they will never surrender), but it also could be the freedom of Bosnia. Bosnia-Herzegovina called for action, its people were crying for salvation.
Salvation. Dragutin Dimitrijevic, chief of general staff intellegence, was no longer there. But there was Apis, leader of Crna Ruka ("Black Hand"). There was no need for war, Austria will eventually lose Bosnia-Herzegovina anyway.
But how to prevent the war? Simple. The leader of the pro-war movement had to be removed. But how?
Several attempts would be made. Hmm... that young Gavrila Princip was very promising. Very capable. He could be trusted.
---
"It is now or never" - muttered Gavrila Princip. Cabrinovic has failed. But I will not fail. I MUST NOT FAIL.
"Union or Death!" - he shouted as Francis Ferdinand and duchess Sofie entered the hospital. And fired. Fired twice. Both died.
Austrian soldiers surrounded him, and Princip thought about how good it would be to fight them all at once now, but he felt he was too weak. Perhaps they would kill him now; perhaps, later.
But he has done his task. He saw the Archduke's wound. They don't survive from SUCH wounds.
---
The bomb in Sarajevo killed the would-be conqueror of the Balkans. But the bombist played into the hands of Wilhelm II. The Austrians now had a casus belli, and the emperor had to oblige to the German demands. An ultimatum was given to Serbia; most terms were, at Russian advice, accepted, apart from one - according to which, Austrian forces were to enter Serbian territory.
The Serbs could never accept that. The war started. But suddenly, as CSA declared war on France amidst the hurried exchange of these declarations, USA, remembering that Russia was nearly the only nation that supported it - if only morally - in the Dixie Independance War, and spurred by the panicing French diplomats, declared war on CSA and Mexico.
And finally, as German forces prepared to cross through Belgian territory into France, the British government revealed the Hohenzollern Protocol and, amidst patriotic rallies in London, declared war on Germany.
Wilhelm II was aghast. The war was not going to be as simple as hoped. But the war was on, the Rubicon was crossed, and it was too late for anything to change...
das
Regeneration In Process
Darn. Why? Where would they find the money? IMHO it will be much more fun if they sell it to Japan. (Hey! That rhymes!)
Okay, I need to know when the update is (I know Stalin probably pointed it out before, but I keep forgetting) and also is there any chance about new people joining.
Well, here they won't. But, technically, the Turkish Gambit is a great book and a great movie about the Russo-Turkish War 1877-8. Its just the bit about
that reminded me of the quote from the movie.
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