TR03 - Losers self-teach DemiGod

[Tubby Rower]

BTW, The bottom Magenta circle on the screen shot are 2 AC only. But only one of them is elite.

I also got the numbers mixed up on the archers and warriors...its 2 warriors and 1 archer.

Also, tech parity is everywhere except Babylon which has Fued and no Republic, Monarchy, Mono, or Eng. Everyone else is at the same level (including us).

 

[dmanakho]

well..... if you've asked me i'd suggested not to have and MA against Babylon... We should have made peace with them during your turns and traded feud.
I still think we shouldn't have made MA against Willi either... I bet he is talking to us now, isn't he...
We could have made peace with both of them and simply walk back in to all those cities we donated to Spain.
Burning GA in despotism is simply terribly wrong idea.
And now we are commited to have war on two fronts at the time when we are not really ready for them.

I have it and will study save tonight.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I don't think that I would have survived if Babs were solely focusing on me. I just didn't want to lose the game, but I might have hurt us a little. Hammi has had Fued for about 3-5 turns now and no one has traded him for it...yet. I'm not sure that we want peace against Willi. I think that we should go after him soon if not now. We have 11 turns left on the alliance with Hammi and 10 against Willi.

We could revolt after a couple more 3mans are out. If you definately want to wait until we revolt and do the GA thing you need to change all of those 3man builds to something else. I agree on not burning the GA in despot. That's why I was REALLY heasitant on using the 3man chariots. We only have 4 right now and those need to be guarded to prevent defensive wins to trigger our GA.

I'd hate to do this but I think that we need to either
- revolt now and pray to the RNG gods for a short anarchy, or
- start pumping archers and take a couple of cities before our MA runs out.

Otto and Henry will probably bail on the MA early and that would allow us to get peace a bit earlier. I've only seen that one spanish sword coming down. So we should be ok with still getting the cities back. (Izzy had a spear in one city a few turns after the gift. She might have rushed it.)

 

[dmanakho]

I don't think war against willi makes much sense..
He doesn't have iron neither he has luxuries we need.
Fighting war against Dutches is simply burning our resources for nothing
Now imaging our horses attacking his swiss mercenaries and i don't like the odds already.
If you ask me - bad idea at least until we have knights, so....
keep asking questions where the game went wrong

 

[Tubby Rower]

keep asking questions where the game went wrong

Game went wrong when I volunteered to go first!!!!

Looking at the map in the crpViewer we can see that Willi has the following resources within his borders.....

Ivory, Wines, Spices, Furs, horses and Iron

 

[dmanakho]

Oh, so Willi does have some iron... that's better
but still we have bad odds fighting against swiss mercenaries.

Hey, where is the rest of the gang??? Why is all of the sudden everybody became so "talkative" as soon as things went south.

it's just a game, remember???? no reasons to get upset

 

[Tubby Rower]

What are the swiss mercs??? 1/4 defenders? I wonder why Willi hasn't sent those in to pillage.

MAybe because we really don't know what were talking about and were faking it..... And now that we are in trouble no one wants to give bad advice. Bad advice is easier to give if you know that we're powerful enough to recover if it doesn't work out.

I know it's just a game, but I still hate to lose.....

 

[dmanakho]

This game isn't a lost game...yet.
It's much better that what we had in M7+1 at the same period of time

But the end result of this game will pretty much depend on how many mistakes players make in future.

 

[Tubby Rower]

But the end result of this game will pretty much depend on how many mistakes players make in future.

Well you're up....You'll have to deal with my mistakes though....Hopefully Otto or Henry will pull out of the war early and you can work your magic.

Roster:
Tubby Rower - just played
dmanakho - up
Minute Man - on deck
Bede
Mach
Admiral Kutzov
eldar

 

[Bede]

Guys, guys, guys....

This game is so far from lost it's funny. It may take a litle longer to win that's all. Not yet having iron is, as they say, a bummer, though.

So it is time for making hay while it rains. With our opponents at war with the neighbors, hunker down and build wariiors, warriors and even more warriors. I bet Tarsus can do one every turn by now and a couple of other towns are not far behind. That is more AC's and Swissies or even Knights than Willie can make. Pile them into the border towns along with a catapult or two.

Let the bogies pillage as they will and keep plinking away at them and when the blood runs red on the grass whack 'em with an archer. Or just wound them and they will go quietly away right into Portugal from whence they shall not return,,,,

 

[Tubby Rower]

I realize that we haven't lost or are even close to it. The pictures are a little more scary when you aren't playing. After I played my turnset I actually felt good about our position,...well until dman started analyzing it.

Hattusas is producing 15 shields per turn right now

Tarsus is producing 16 but losing 2 to waste

I think that Harran is producing 10-13 after waste

 

[shadow2k]

It wouldn't help. They would have attacked anyways.
This is just the way game mechanism works and i tested it in numerious occasions. Nothing will work on the last turn after AI decided to attack (even MA against another civ I never tested MPP though) and entered your territory.

lurker's comment: I tried the MPP in a recent game to try and save my beach head city. They still attacked on the IT with MPP, with me gifting them gpt and lux. They were far from broke, so that wasn't an issue, and weren't paying me gpt anyway. They just wanted my one city off their landmass, and there wasn't a thing I could do to stop the attack.

The desert beach head had no resources (or future resources either), and nothing to gain except for Osman having complete control of his home continent. It was a former Russian city, never owned by Osman. I had only had the city for maybe...5 turns before the attack, and can think of no good reason for him to attack, other than tactical reasons. I was building up my attack force there.

There are situations where you can delay the inevitable, but once they reach the gates of the city, my assumption now is that all bets are off.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

Hey, where is the rest of the gang??? Why is all of the sudden everybody became so "talkative" as soon as things went south.

Been busy teaching Linebacker to put little plastic discs in his eyes and taking him to baseball practice. Also was rampaging with tanks over in SW2. Finally I had another incident with an edged weapon. Haven't had time to look at a save. 4 words: trebs, pikes, MDI, knights (ok so that's five, who's counting). Where's Zeus? Any shot of grabbing that in a short war? Let's grab more resources.

 

[Tubby Rower]

We have no iron nor Fuedalism. So the last three are out... Not sure when trebs are available.

Zues is in Dutch capital and not likely to get it soon due to swiss mercs. Might need to try to get someone else to go after it, like Cathy!!

Resources are good. but none easily obtained from current position.

Watch out for those pointy things.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

We have no iron nor Fuedalism. So the last three are out... Not sure when trebs are available.

Sorry, should have clarified. I was looking at the little glass ball again (do you know you can make little white flakes go from the top to the bottom...I digress) and was thinking (see the smoke, hear the grinding) of the future.

See my glass is half full (and you can ascertain on your own what was in it and where the other half went)

@ d-man: now are you sorry you spoke up?

 

[Mach]

Hey, where is the rest of the gang???

Sorry, I'm around, and I've been watching. RL things have been keeping me busy lately, and unfortunately I'm gonna be here-and-gone-and-back-again for the rest of the week. (My laptop and I are gonna be alternating between two places: one that has internet, and one that doesn't.)

So anyways I haven't been able to take a good look at the save for awhile. I'll be on a flight tonight, so I'll look then, and hopefully have some things to say in the morning.

Anyways...I'm not upset about anything. Games like these happen; sometimes they're lost, and sometimes they get pulled out of the fire ...and those are the best ones. Like Sid Vicious. Personally I'm really hoping I can get my hands on this one again...

 

[dmanakho]

4 words: trebs, pikes, MDI, knights (ok so that's five, who's counting). Where's Zeus? .

You forgot to add nukes to the list, because it is as close for us to get as pikes and the rest...

Let's grab more resources.

Lets also grab our butts because that's what we need to take care about before grabbing anything else

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

BTW - who's up?

@ dman - see aforementioned (finally started using that book I got for christmas, you know, the tyrannasaurus) glass half full comment

 

[dmanakho]

I am up and i have it

 

[eldar]

I'm here, but I've been hiding from embarassment (still). And playing COTM10 (I could win it easily but I have a personal vendetta to settle in that game - there's an Uber AI City that is just screaming out to be razed). And just finished off my set in SGOTM6.