TR04 - Losers vs 5CC deity

[Minute Man]

Well, Constantinople isn't in such a bad place for building boats to use against the Iros, with the canal at Nicaea. But I agree that we should get going on a prebuild ASAP. The speed at which Deity AI's seem to build wonders is scary.

Is it just me or does it feel like eons ago that we were scared of Monarch AI??

I know what you mean. I was absolutely convinced we were going to get our butts kicked on DG, let alone Deity, and I never in a million years would have thought we'd stand a chance in a Deity 5CC....

 

[Tubby Rower]

The speed at which Deity AI's seem to build wonders is scary.

Just think of how fast units can come out.

Does anyone know if the Hittites or Iroquois had horses before we went to war? If so then they could have their GA started. Is the Iroquois at war with Spain or just us. I'm glad that it's despotic if they have already started it.

 

[Tubby Rower]

@MM, If you can play tonight, go ahead. I'm not sure if dman has even been visiting the forums as I haven't seen him here in a while. Either work must be bad, or the peaceful VC he took in COTM10 must have wiped him out.

@ dman, just let us know when you want a turnset and we'll squeeze you in the next slot.

 

[Minute Man]

or the peaceful VC he took in COTM10 must have wiped him out.

A peaceful win in COTM 10, and now we're playing a mostly builder's game. He's probably just sick.

I can play tonight. If dman hasn't shown up by then (probably around 7 or 8 PM, my time), I'll go ahead and pick this up.

 

[dmanakho]

I am here i am here I have 2 computers on my desk and several sessions connect me to few more...
Sorry about not participating in thread, usually by the time i come home all i can think about is bed.

I can and i will play tomorrow though if you guys want to wait for me one extra day.

 

[Tubby Rower]

I am here i am here I have 2 computers on my desk and several sessions connect me to few more...
Sorry about not participating in thread, usually by the time i come home all i can think about is bed.

I can and i will play tomorrow though if you guys want to wait for me one extra day.

That's fine by me. I guess that Space victory in COTM tuckered you out pretty good, huh . Don't fret about it. How's work coming? MM can either wait or go ahead and play his turnset tonight and you'll be up tomorrow regardless. I'll leave that up to him.

I just didn't want you to think that you have to play if your exhausted. I had a stint of 7-8 months were I was in the same boat last year. 72-hour work-weeks & playing with my daughter gave me no time for anything else.

So sit back get your tea at your kitchen table and read up on what yours and Bede's protege's have been doing. You might be proud even though the hasn't come out yet.

 

[Minute Man]

By all means, go ahead and play your turns tomorrow, dman. I'll wait. That's still well within the 72 hours, so I don't see any need for me to jump in front.

Besides, I just played my SGOTM6 turns last night. Turning around and playing a 5CC game tonight might make my head explode. Better to take a day or two to readjust my thinking....

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

I know what you mean. I was absolutely convinced we were going to get our butts kicked on DG, let alone Deity, and I never in a million years would have thought we'd stand a chance in a Deity 5CC....

Now you know how I felt signing up for HNDY13 and 14 On the serious side, nobody in this forum seems to get too po'd if you go for something over your head. Of course, the old farts, like bede and willingness to accept new grasshoppers, makes this easier

d-man, of course, still scares me...

 

[dmanakho]

pre-turn: studied the thread... We certainly can't call ourselves loosers anylonger... Looks like you did a tremendious job on Diety level...
Next game should be Pangea Diety with extra aggressive AIs and raging barbs

T1. 530BC. Sell writing to Abu for 76gold... He is really backward, we will teach him to write. Hittites will talk to us. Since we don't have monopoly on construction i decide to throw it with peace treaty for all his 116 gold treasury.
As Bede says we can do research at deficit while AIs can't. Sold construction to India for 76 gold.
We have monopoly on currency and literature... I will probably sell currency to AIs if they get a little more money.
I bet you everysingle one of them is researching republic/monarchy techs.
Oops... side effect of making peace - War happines is gone and i am forced to push lux slider up to 20%...
Should have thought about this before. Good news - Nobody has literature yet. Spain is at war with Hittites.
I doubt we need to have MA with Izzy against Iro's. The only way Spain can reach Iro's land is trough Hittites. They won't be much help at all

T2. 510

T3. 490 Izzy has monarchy. Bought monarchy + 15 gold from Abu for Philo, CoL and HBR and sold it to everyone else for whatever they can pay.

T4. 470BC. Gr.Lib completed switched to market. Started Hanging gardens on COntantinople as possible pre-build for Sistine. iro's won't talk and i wish i could bombard them with Dromons, but i am still waiting for more of them to arrive.

T5. 450BC.

T6. 430BC. Nicaea lib->aqueduct.

IBT. Spain completed Hang.Gardens.

T7. 410BC. Switch Constantinople to Sun Tzu's

IBT. Spain built ToA.. They will be cultural monster and very dangerous opponent for 100K victory

T8. 390BC.

IBT. I can't believe this crap.. I've got a message that our civ entered golden ages..
HOW???????????????????????????????

T10. 350BC.... Ok.. now i see... Animation was turned off by one of you guys and IBT stupid IRO's galley came out from nowhere crossed the channel and attacked wolfpack of our dromons and sunk.... Congratulations we are having despot golden ages...
Spain entered MAs.. I suggest to sell currency to everyone we can at this moment.
We may want to gift/sell them literature to get at least some use of Gr.Lib . Nobody has Republic and
I am not sure now whether we should revolt monarchy at the present moment.
Caesarea is only city at the moment building Dromons. Nicaea and Varna will have their aqueducts bult in 5 an 3 turns
and Adrianople will have market ready in 2 turns. Engineering comes in 4 turn and we might want to start researching towards Theology to make sure we are in time for pre-build in Constantinople. I hope somebody researches republic anytime now.

the save

 

[eldar]

I always turn off animations, but turn on "Show Enemy Moves"... but the problem with C3C is that battle resolution is instant, unlike in PtW where you at least see each round resolved.

The AIs have had 30 turns to come up with Republic for us. I'm amazed one of them hasn't yet. Can't have helped that Spain and the Hitties were fighting.

 

[dmanakho]

I think Spain is in their golden ages now as well after completing HG and ToA...
so they will probably give us republic quite soon.
We have no land army and on diety level that means AIs will start demanding on us sooner or later therefore we are going to have more wars... which is okay for as long as nobody but Spain can cross the channels.

 

[Minute Man]

OK, got it. Will try to get this played this evening.

A couple of questions:

1) Do we want to keep research going on Engineering, now that we have the GL? I had thought that the plan was to turn research off and stockpile cash. On the other hand, since we're only four turns away, maybe we should let it finish. There's also the issue of making sure we get to Theology before our pre-build finishes.

2) If we get Republic within the next few turns, is it worth revolting right away, even if that means we spend a few turns of our GA in anarchy? I think it's probably worth it, but I'm not entirely sure.

Also, the plan is still to go start tearing up Iroquois improvements with our dromons once we have enough of them, right? Or do we want to concentrate on infrastructure during our GA?

 

[dmanakho]

OK, got it. Will try to get this played this evening.
1) Do we want to keep research going on Engineering, now that we have the GL? I had thought that the plan was to turn research off and stockpile cash. On the other hand, since we're only four turns away, maybe we should let it finish. There's also the issue of making sure we get to Theology before our pre-build finishes.

We only have 4 turns until Engineering is researched. If we want to get SIstine we better self-research monotheism and theology. It might take mighty long for AIs to get there.

2) If we get Republic within the next few turns, is it worth revolting right away, even if that means we spend a few turns of our GA in anarchy? I think it's probably worth it, but I'm not entirely sure.

It's probably worth revolting and cross fingers we get 4 instead of 8-9 turns of anarchy.

Also, the plan is still to go start tearing up Iroquois improvements with our dromons once we have enough of them, right? Or do we want to concentrate on infrastructure during our GA?

Can't anwer this question... simply dunno. I am extremely dissapointed at myself for getting despotic GAs. I didn't expect single Iro's galley to attack a stack of dromons neither i saw that galley coming.

 

[eldar]

Okay, I just got my rear end handed to me in GOTM42 . So I have plenty of free time 'til the next COTM comes out now...

 

[Minute Man]

We only have 4 turns until Engineering is researched. If we want to get SIstine we better self-research monotheism and theology. It might take mighty long for AIs to get there.

Makes sense. Cathedrals might also be nice to have.

It's probably worth revolting and cross fingers we get 4 instead of 8-9 turns of anarchy.

Well, we only have five cities, so we shouldn't get the 8-9 turn version. But I guess it depends on how soon Republic comes in.

I am extremely dissapointed at myself for getting despotic GAs. I didn't expect single Iro's galley to attack a stack of dromons neither i saw that galley coming.

That's OK. I always hate having to fight a war with one hand tied behind our back just because we don't want to trigger an untimely GA. At least now I can go ahead and use our dromons without having to worry about that.

 

[dmanakho]

Okay, I just got my rear end handed to me in GOTM42 . So I have plenty of free time 'til the next COTM comes out now...

It is quite a game. i only played a little bit today...
can't wait for spoilers but please no spoilers here...

 

[Bede]

The only reason to ally with Spain against Iroquois is so the the Iro don't sign her up against us. I'm not too fussed about Iro boats on our coasts but we can't cover enough sea lanes to keep Issy out.

 

[dmanakho]

What are we trying to achieve by having a way with Iro's?
We don't have land units to destroy their cities, all we can do is naval bombardmend.
Iro's will probably start talking to us in a turn or two, wouldn't we better off signing peace with them?
Each war has a goal right? What's the goal of this way?

 

[Minute Man]

OK, I'm two turns in, and I have a bit of a dilemma. A Spanish galley just appeared to our north (with the GL, Izzy can sail across the gap), probably bearing settlers. So it looks like we're going to have neighbors on our island pretty soon.

We do have a couple of dromons in the area, so I can probably chase her off, but is keeping our island free of trespassers worth fighting a war with Spain over? My feeling is that it isn't, but I'm really not happy about letting the culture monster get a foothold on our turf. So I thought I'd consult with the group.

BTW, I was thinking along the same lines as dman - I made peace with the Iroquois before my first turn. So we currently have no active wars.

 

[Tubby Rower]

@MM, Don't take my advice as Bede or dman talk but here is my opinion. on the Izzy matter. Let's use our dromons to bomb her galleys before they reach our shore. I think that keeping our island secure might be they only way to win this one.

If an AI gets a foothold on our land we'd have to start building up a defensive presence, buecause as dman has stated we don't have the military that we ought to at Emperor let alone Diety.

But that's just my $0.02.