Triumph and tragedy

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What was the greatest triumph and tragedy in world histrory? (E.g. the battle of Actium - Augastus wins, Mark Antony loses; Gallileo and his astronomical discoveries - enriched the knowledge of the world, but have gotten himself in trouble).
 
A tragic moment was the betrayal of the byzantine emperor Romanos Diogenes, by the nobles, in the battle of Matzikert, in iirc 1071.
Diogenes lost the battle, got imprisoned by Alp Arslan, who later set him free, but the betrayal was not over. The noble Michael Psellos saw to it that Diogenes was blinded and thrown into a monastery. Upon news of that Alp Arslan, who had agreed on fixed borders with Diogenes, declared the peace between the empire and the seljuk turks null and void, with the known effects.

Although it is possible that even if Diogenes had returned as an emperor, or had won in Matzikert, that again the Byzantine empire would be facing problems, it is unlikely that it would collapse as it did, leading to the crusades, which dealt it the final blow in 1204.
 
The battle of Mutal (Tikal) in 682. Few battles have been so climactic.

The Central Maya states were in the true "Forgotten War" of history--a hundred years of on and off warfare that amounted to an eipc struggle between Mutal, and Kaan, the kingdom of the Snake, now known as Calakamul. The casus belli was when Mutal was invaded by Teotihucan of the central Mexian valley, who set up a puppet ruler. This puppet king of Mutal set out to control the entirety of the central Mayan principalities.

The king of Kaan was determined not to let this happen, and managed to form a ring of vassal states around Mutal--he both surrounded Mutal and got himself a dominant position in the heartlands of the Maya in a single stroke.

These forces advanced, destroyed the city state of Mutal, installed a puppet king, and saw the rise to greatness of Kaan.

However, Mutal would not be so easily cowed, and led a rebellion against the Kaan. Against all odds, they succeeded, driving the more numerous and powerful armies of Kaan back to their capital, and the future of Mutal seemed secure. But though they had annihalated the threat of Kaan, worse was in store.

The Mayan states were islands of inhabitable land in a salty swamp, more or less. They created fresh water by pouring crushed limestone over the salty sediments in the bottom of the water, and thus having good water to grow crops. But it was a precarious system.

The Hundred Years War of the Maya was what pushed it over the edge. Thousands had died in those vicious battles, and the water beds went relatively un-maintained. Combined with vicious drought, the Mayan heartlands collapsed. The great cities of Mutal, Kaan, and Oxwitza were obliterated, slowly being reclaimed by the jungle. The millions of Maya who had lived in the heartland of their realm were reduced to thousands. The center of Mayan civilization shifted to the north, under Chichen Itza.

You would be hard pressed to find a more glorious, devastating war, anywhere.

EDITED out some rather embarassing errors.
 
"Triumph and Tragedy" is the name of the best biography of Joseph Stalin ever written, and when I saw this thread title and the author I assumed it was about it.

Anyway, Stalin really personifies "triumph and tragedy" like few others. He was the most influential ruler of the century, the absolute dictator of one of the great winners of the WW2. His political career was nothing short of triumphal. OTOH he screwed his people in an unprecedented way, killing more than any dictator in history and creating an atmosphere of mad paranoia. His personal triumph came at the cost of great tragedy for the soviet peoples.
 
luiz said:
He was the most influential ruler of the century, the absolute dictator of one of the great winners of the WW2. His political career was nothing short of triumphal. OTOH he screwed his people in an unprecedented way, killing more than any dictator in history and creating an atmosphere of mad paranoia. His personal triumph came at the cost of great tragedy for the soviet peoples.
Same said with a single word, a nutcase.

EDIT: Edited so Zuffox can show his happy mask. :)
 
C~G said:
Same said with a single word, he was a nutcase.
Those were four words.
 
C~G said:
Same said with a single word, a nutcase.
Ah, but common nutcases don't rise from obscurity to absolute power nor do they commit arguably the greatest genocide in history!
 
luiz said:
Ah, but common nutcases don't rise from obscurity to absolute power nor do they commit arguably the greatest genocide in history!
Well, make it two words then, uncommon nutcase. That is all he deserves.
Or he was just common nutcase that got into power while other similar nutcases supported him who he probably killed right after he got the position.
 
luiz said:
Ah, but common nutcases don't rise from obscurity to absolute power nor do they commit arguably the greatest genocide in history!

Not all THAT uncommon, unfortunately.. several other names spring to mind immediately: Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Temujin (Genghis Khan), Mao Tse Tung.. :sad:
 
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