True cristhianity

[FearlessLeader2]

The same day that Adam and Eve ate the apple they lost their immortality and began to die. The warning was true.

Mary was informed by an angel of what was to come and accepted it.

Hell is a pagan myth added to Christianity by early sectarians to make people stop leaving to join other religions during the various festivals, same as Easter and Christmas.

 

[MSTK]

Well, I read everything until the end of page 4, and I"m guessing nobody mentioned this yet.

To be a Christian you must have a personal relationship with Christ.

 

[Shadylookin]

Well, I read everything until the end of page 4, and I"m guessing nobody mentioned this yet.

To be a Christian you must have a personal relationship with Christ.

a personal relationship with a carpenter that's been dead for 2000 years, sounds creepy.

 

[MSTK]

a personal relationship with a carpenter that's been dead for 2000 years, sounds creepy.

Call it creepy, crazy, etc., but that is the one and only condition to becoming a true Christian.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well its no significance....its just 144.000 ppl. This ppl have the chance to go to heaven and live there and be the judges of humanity ( since what better to judge a human than another human that has had the same or similar problems?)

The fact that they are going to heaven dosnt mean they are the only ones who are saved. why? well the reward offered in the bible to humans is not when they die to go to heaven its to live here on earth as a paradise...restoring Eden. after armaggedon happens and all that stuff.
And thats it.

Are these 144,000 all JWs? So god does not judge humanity? He leaves it up to a select group of humans? These 144,000 go to heaven and those who the judges choose as acceptable get to live in a restored eden. I don't remember reading about such a scheme in the bible. Does it come in revelations? Or is it just part of JW theology?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Call it creepy, crazy, etc., but that is the one and only condition to becoming a true Christian.

But if that's true, then...then...you don't need any churches!

 

[Shadylookin]

Call it creepy, crazy, etc., but that is the one and only condition to becoming a true Christian.

If I'm going to worship a carpenter it's going to be Tim the tool Man Taylor. Sure he isn't real, but neither is Jesus.

Really what is this personal relationship with Jesus stuff, when was the last time he ever dropped by and gave you some advice.

But if that's true, then...then...you don't need any churches!

if god exist there is no need for religion and if god doesn't exist there is still no need for religion.

 

[MSTK]

Really what is this personal relationship with Jesus stuff, when was the last time he ever dropped by and gave you some advice.

Ask any Christian that and they'll give you something from within the past month. Besides, they don't look into Christ as a comfort, a giver, a piggy bank, etc. They look to him as a friend, most of all.

EDIT: Actually, reading over that, I realized that I sound a bit like a lunatic. Meh, ignore me

 

[SolarKnight]

How can you have a personal relationship with a 2000 year old corpse????

(sorry, not trying to offend)

That is one of the main parts of christianity that bothers me, and why in the world would it matter if man knew about good and evil anyway, surely if man was made aware of evil by god in the bible, and informed of its risks, he would be less inclined to become evil.

also forewarned is forearmed, if god told adam and eve that satan was evil and that the fruit from the tree would help them understand what evil is and how to avoid it, then surely things would work out better?? or am i just trying to be too logical?

(you are always going to get some people who abuse rules and generally dont care about others, but on the whole, most people would abide by the rules)

 

[Saga of Gemini]

Are these 144,000 all JWs? So god does not judge humanity? He leaves it up to a select group of humans? These 144,000 go to heaven and those who the judges choose as acceptable get to live in a restored eden. I don't remember reading about such a scheme in the bible. Does it come in revelations? Or is it just part of JW theology?

Not necessarily. the 144.000 at the beggining didnt have to be from the JW or modern JW ( since JW have existed in all history is just the modern society thats relativily new).

As a matter of fact the 144.000 or the recollection of them starrted after the death of jesus mary is one of them.The apostols are of the 144.000 etc..

and no its not a part of the "scheme" of the JW since all the teachings come out of the bible.....unfortunatly I dont have the info rigth now of where that is in the bible...if u have patience and give me sometime I´ll do some research and put in here so u know where it comes from.

Otherwise i would be throwing arrows and talking in thin air hehehehe.

 

[Saga of Gemini]

denying reality seems to be your speciality doesn't it.

Not mine atheists speciality.

It's irrelevant because my father never killed, raped, tortured, or attacked me for simply disagreeing with him(neither has your god for that matter because he doesn't exist). My father is also not omnipotent or omniscient so he didn't have the power to make me perfect.

If u think god punishes just for disagreeing with him then Im srrybut your biblical knowldedge is the same as a the one of a 5 year and shouldnt bring it up ok for your own sake.

just to mention something.....do u think that after getting your son out of egypt with 7 plagues that affected only the egypcians and protecting u in your way out with a tower of smoke in the day and one of fire in the nigth...and dividing the sea infront of your eyes...after all that a few days later u are adoring a statue u made yourself....is that a simple disagreement?.

no you are rigth your father dosnt have the power to make u perfect. Wich makes adam and eve sin even worse, since they had everything going for them and they still messed up. Plus the point is not if they were perfect or not. U were saying that god was a sadist because he punishes humanity. The point was that so does a normal father to his son.



Plus where do u get the rape and torturing stuff? i would love to know what bible do u read...the atheists handbook of the bible?.....

well if your just going to give up.

Im not giving up Im telling u theres no objective answer for that. why christhianity? the teachings of christ the reward promised.

but getting into why ? its a personal answer therefore like I said its not objective?

i turn the table and ask whats so cool about being an atheist? besides of course having the tupé of ignoring the most important person of the universe and believe one is the last coke of the desert?. What does it has to offer ?

he would have to do whatever he wants whenever he wants otherwise his claims of omnipotence are false.

If he did that then his claim of being wise and just would also be false? power isnt the only atribute of god...and its not the most important one either.

plus the US could blow the whole world 12 times the fact that they have the power of doing it dosnt mean they have to do it or taht they will do it....at this point Im really questioning me about how old u are since your reasonings and conclusion seem very shallow and simplistic

I think you have to believe in hell to be a "true" christian

No u dont, its not mentioned anywhere in the bible. FL2 already explained where it comes from.

They are not the same please read the bible.

U mean the apostols? no they are not the same persons.U mean the gospels? they say the same things. not EXACTLY the same but they are the same.

What's wrong with asking them that. You also didn't answer how it was possible either.

I never said it was wrong the point is that YOU by yourself cant figure it out u NEED him to tell it to u thats the point? Im srry can u remind me what I didnt answer?.

they didn't spend years on the ark. What kind of christian are you, have you ever read the bible.

Nope, they could have spend years in there after the rain stoped. the bible only says it rained for 40 days and 40 nigths.

What kind of christian am I? one who actually knows what the bible says. why?

Once again Shady omnisence dosnt mean future sigth. If u can see the future u can choose not too. u can be omniscent of the present and past timeline. The future has infinit variables like: "if I wake up at 9:31 or at 9:32 things will differ.

it means infinate knowledge so yes it does mean he has future sight. and an omniscient being being able to forget is a twisted paradox. Also if it doesn't mean he has future sight how does he know Satan won't beat him? How do you know the prophecies will come true if your only source for them doesn't have future sight?

Easy satan is under him in the comand chain he was a querubin or a zeraphin I dont remeber rigth now wich is no match for an omnipotent god.

How do the prophecies will come true easy again and u seem to forget everything Ive said ti u in past threads wich tells me u are just a spammer in this things but anyway. God controls the variables: it goes like this: " I say ( to my brother) that cair will fall in one hour" Then if the chair dosnt falls by itself I make it fall. get it ? He dosnt necesarily has to see the future. Plus we have the warranty of all the other prophecies that did came true

in not killing Adam and Eve he proved himself a liar and the serpent a teller of the truth. I don't believe Adam and Eve existed so the existance of a fairy tale doesn't matter to me. Of course if Adam and Eve were really our great great... grandparents and god killed them then we would have never existed. Non-existance was never a problem with me, sure I like life but if I never existed I wouldn't know the difference and it wouldn't matter.

They did died. Just as smoking cigarrates will kill u dosnt mean that if u smoke one u will.eventually u will die because smoking cigs. See the difference?

Sure if u never had existed it certanly wouldnt have matter to u...but the point is not if u care or not ( BTW I would have cared) the point is that it was the fair ,just,rigth thing to do.

BTW I guess u wouldnt matter then if they send u to jail for something your father did that didnt concern u at all rigth?

If I a mere mortal can point out his idiocy what does it say for him.
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The fact that u think u can point his idiocy dosnt says anything of him it says about u...the same as if I mocked stephen hawkings and such. I would just be swiming in my own pool of stupidity imbecliness and idiocy, I still would think Im a big deal for making fun of him just like u do.

Im tryng to throw u a lifesaver to get u out of your pool. BTW but I guess being stupid is juts easier

Why would an omnipotent being knock-up a jewish girl while she was asleep? I smell a rape charge

God I cant believe such a moronic stupid question can be asked...it dosnt talk very good about the person who made it...please tell me u are joking if u are....not a funny joke.

told them to stay in scilence so people can't get into heaven? Sounds more like a man that's afraid people might attack him. What makes you think the lies came around his diciples time? Doesn't it seem more likely that if it was a joke they would let it spread because they didnt' think people believe the lie anyway.

No because he wasnt a mass healer that wasnt hes pourpuse. if the word spread then ppl would go just to be healed. And that was not his mission here.

Its like saking why dosnt the goverment just throws money out in the street so ppl will vote for u? ( now that I think about in a pragmatic way ts a good strategy) The point of jesus wasnt just to heal ppl. But u know nothing about that and why bother to learn?.

I can't be a hypocrite because I don't believe in god, the bible, or christianity. I just make these post to humor myself because I have nothing better to do.

Then please leave and spam some other thread with your pointless and moronic Q and asertions. As a mater of fact Im going to take action and stop your spaming u are in my ignore list buddy.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Not necessarily. the 144.000 at the beggining didnt have to be from the JW or modern JW ( since JW have existed in all history is just the modern society thats relativily new).

As a matter of fact the 144.000 or the recollection of them starrted after the death of jesus mary is one of them.The apostols are of the 144.000 etc..

IIRC, Charles Taze Russell founded Zion's watchtower in the 1870s as a millenialist church and he predicted that the second coming would happen in 1914. He died in 1916 and the next leader rewrote the doctrine to put the end of the world further away. They didn't choose the JW name until 1931. If CTR founded the society in 1881 how could it have existed ever since 29 AD?

 

[Birdjaguar]

If u think god punishes just for disagreeing with him then Im srrybut your biblical knowldedge is the same as a the one of a 5 year and shouldnt bring it up ok for your own sake.

Plus where do u get the rape and torturing stuff? i would love to know what bible do u read...the atheists handbook of the bible?.....

Don't be hasty, there are lots of nasty violent acts by god for reasons that are not fully explained. Or if explained, don't make a lot of sense.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

 

[Shadylookin]

Not mine atheists speciality.

I'm not an atheist so insult their ilk to your hearts content matters not to me. Just because someone doesn't follow man made religions doesn't make them an atheist.

If u think god punishes just for disagreeing with him then Im srrybut your biblical knowldedge is the same as a the one of a 5 year and shouldnt bring it up ok for your own sake.

# Lev.26:16 "I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it."

# Num.21:6 "And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died."

# Dt.28:15 "And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters."

# Nah.3:5-6 "Behold, I am against thee, saith the LORD of hosts; and I will discover thy skirts upon thy face, and I will shew the nations thy nakedness, and the kingdoms thy shame. And I will cast abominable filth upon thee, and make thee vile."

# Mal.2:3 "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces."

# 1 Sam.15:2-3 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts ... Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

# Ezek.8:18 "Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them."

# 2 Chr.15:13 "Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

# Mk.16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

how lovely and kind of god.

Signs of True Believers

* Mk.16:17-18 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

* Lk.10:19 "Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

just for my own curiosity, please perform these acts on video tape to prove to me you are truely a believer. Since the bible is infailable and all.

just to mention something.....do u think that after getting your son out of egypt with 7 plagues that affected only the egypcians and protecting u in your way out with a tower of smoke in the day and one of fire in the nigth...and dividing the sea infront of your eyes...after all that a few days later u are adoring a statue u made yourself....is that a simple disagreement?.

the seven plauges lasting as long as they did were not pharaohs fault they were gods.

exodus 4:21
The LORD said to him, "On your return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have put in your power. I will make him obstinate, however, so that he will not let the people go.

god made him obstinate so that he couldn't just decide to let the people go.

no you are rigth your father dosnt have the power to make u perfect. Wich makes adam and eve sin even worse, since they had everything going for them and they still messed up. Plus the point is not if they were perfect or not. U were saying that god was a sadist because he punishes humanity. The point was that so does a normal father to his son.

Adam and Eve eating the apple wasn't a sin because before they ate the apple they had no concept of right and wrong. It's the equivalent of beating up a ******** kid.

Plus where do u get the rape and torturing stuff? i would love to know what bible do u read...the atheists handbook of the bible?.....

apparently not the propoganda book they give the JWs.

If a man has sex with an engaged slave woman, scourge the woman, but don't punish the man. Lev.19"20-22
City rape (kill the rape victim for failing to cry out loud enough) Dt.23-24
Pay 50 shekels and marry the victim Dt.22:28-29

Im not giving up Im telling u theres no objective answer for that. why christhianity? the teachings of christ the reward promised.

but getting into why ? its a personal answer therefore like I said its not objective?

i turn the table and ask whats so cool about being an atheist? besides of course having the tupé of ignoring the most important person of the universe and believe one is the last coke of the desert?. What does it has to offer ?

agnosticism has every thing to offer someone like the ability to reason that there is no conclusive evidence for or against deity/ies(just against certain concepts of them like christianity, islam, paganism, and a variety of other gods people made up). The freedom from holy books and the ability to admit to yourself that you don't know all the answers to the universe and neither does your Sunday school teacher. Even if a believer is sometimes more happy a drunk is also usually happier than a sober man.

If he did that then his claim of being wise and just would also be false? power isnt the only atribute of god...and its not the most important one either.

plus the US could blow the whole world 12 times the fact that they have the power of doing it dosnt mean they have to do it or taht they will do it....at this point Im really questioning me about how old u are since your reasonings and conclusion seem very shallow and simplistic

I think god's claims as wise are mere lies.

No u dont, its not mentioned anywhere in the bible. FL2 already explained where it comes from.

Hell comes from paganism and was adopted by christians when they were copying pagan practices when writing the bible.

U mean the apostols? no they are not the same persons.U mean the gospels? they say the same things. not EXACTLY the same but they are the same.

Why do they each have a varied amount of time between his death and when he ascended into heaven. How come the number of angels at the tomb are different. The list goes on, but I'm lazy. These are not a point of view difference.

I never said it was wrong the point is that YOU by yourself cant figure it out u NEED him to tell it to u thats the point? Im srry can u remind me what I didnt answer?.

how did Noah build an ark that held 2 of every animal?

Nope, they could have spend years in there after the rain stoped. the bible only says it rained for 40 days and 40 nigths.

the begining of the flood

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month: it was on that day that All the fountains of the great abyss burst forth, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.

the end of it

In the six hundred and first year of Noah's life, in the first month, on the first day of the month, the water began to dry up on the earth. Noah then removed the covering of the ark and saw that the surface of the ground was drying up.
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In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry.

it took them a little over a year not years. I should expect better from someone that claims to follow only the bible.

What kind of christian am I? one who actually knows what the bible says. why?

well obviously not

Easy satan is under him in the comand chain he was a querubin or a zeraphin I dont remeber rigth now wich is no match for an omnipotent god.

well satan has most of the world in his grasps, I'd say he is going a good job at showing up your god.

How do the prophecies will come true easy again and u seem to forget everything Ive said ti u in past threads wich tells me u are just a spammer in this things but anyway. God controls the variables: it goes like this: " I say ( to my brother) that cair will fall in one hour" Then if the chair dosnt falls by itself I make it fall. get it ? He dosnt necesarily has to see the future. Plus we have the warranty of all the other prophecies that did came true

so which ones came true exactly? Oh and if you don't like to engage in discussion then don't, but I'm hardly a spammer.

They did died. Just as smoking cigarrates will kill u dosnt mean that if u smoke one u will.eventually u will die because smoking cigs. See the difference?

no because they lived for almost a thousand years, and they should have died from eating the fruit instead they died from natural causes.

Sure if u never had existed it certanly wouldnt have matter to u...but the point is not if u care or not ( BTW I would have cared) the point is that it was the fair ,just,rigth thing to do.

you wouldn't have cared because you wouldn't exist to care. Do you ever remeber caring before you were alive?

BTW I guess u wouldnt matter then if they send u to jail for something your father did that didnt concern u at all rigth?

There's a difference in punishing someone for crimes they didn't commit and taking away the possibility that someone might exist. if we never threw anyone in jail because that would take away any children he might have in the future that don't yet exist then we would sound mighty silly wouldn't we?

The fact that u think u can point his idiocy dosnt says anything of him it says about u...the same as if I mocked stephen hawkings and such. I would just be swiming in my own pool of stupidity imbecliness and idiocy, I still would think Im a big deal for making fun of him just like u do.

Stephen Hawking doesn't kill people and claim to be benevolent so your analogy is flawed.

Im tryng to throw u a lifesaver to get u out of your pool. BTW but I guess being stupid is juts easier

Resorting to petty insults when I have presented biblical scriptures and knowledge, you make baby Jesus cry.

God I cant believe such a moronic stupid question can be asked...it dosnt talk very good about the person who made it...please tell me u are joking if u are....not a funny joke.

your whole religion is one unfunny joke at least mine was a quick read.

No because he wasnt a mass healer that wasnt hes pourpuse. if the word spread then ppl would go just to be healed. And that was not his mission here.

his purpose was to spread the word yet he was born in back woods Judea, not exactly the greatest population density their.

Its like saking why dosnt the goverment just throws money out in the street so ppl will vote for u? ( now that I think about in a pragmatic way ts a good strategy) The point of jesus wasnt just to heal ppl. But u know nothing about that and why bother to learn?.

The government isn't omnipotent and can't shower us with money.

Then please leave and spam some other thread with your pointless and moronic Q and asertions. As a mater of fact Im going to take action and stop your spaming u are in my ignore list buddy.

matters not to me if your afraid I might make you stray.

 

[Mescalhead]

One thing that I think really hurt Christianity, the Catholic church especially, was the loss of the mystical element of Christ worship. The genetic material of Christianity was never based on sets of dogma. It was very much a trancendance or mystic tradition. Many of the tenets were laid down however arbitrarily with the council of Nicaea. The Nag Hammadi was dropped for political reasons rather than clerical. People are getting turned away because science is "spoiling" it for them. A mystical tradition is not as easily dispersed as one which tries to lay out as fact that a reasoned cosmological construction houses our existance.

 

[classical_hero]

a personal relationship with a carpenter that's been dead for 2000 years, sounds creepy.

I disagree with that statement. I do not believe that Jesus is dead at the moment. He did die on the cross, but was resurrected the third day. Therefore I beleive that Christ is alive right now. Here are some Scriptures that back up my view,

1 Corinthians 15:1-22 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time. For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me. Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed. Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The bits uderlined show us what Christians are if Christ did not rise from the dead. But since I believe that Christ is indeed Resurrected and alive, then if I believe that, I believe that I believe in the Truth.
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the Fundamental belief's of the Bible. If you don't believe that, then why do you call yourself a Christian. This is one the hallmarks of being a Christian. Christ came to earth to save people from their sins. The proof that he actually did what he said is by the fact that he rose from the dead.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

The resurrection definitely is a miracle. It shows us that Christ is who he says he is and is a undeniable proof that Jesus is indeed God.

 

[Saga of Gemini]

IIRC, Charles Taze Russell founded Zion's watchtower in the 1870s as a millenialist church and he predicted that the second coming would happen in 1914. He died in 1916 and the next leader rewrote the doctrine to put the end of the world further away. They didn't choose the JW name until 1931. If CTR founded the society in 1881 how could it have existed ever since 29 AD?

As i said ... The MODERN Society of the JW is as u say fron that age.

yet the Bible makes refferences to jehovas witnesses since Abel. ( A Witness is someone who gives testimony ) So the Zions watchtower took that name ( JW ) because it seemed appropiate.

According to the Bible the Line of JW goesdown to Abel I dont have time to post the entire text rigth now ( its too long) so i will just post the wich text is : Hebrews 11: 4-12:1

in relation with jesus the Bible declares :"" This are the matters that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness , the beggining of the creation of God" From who was jesus witness? he said that he had manifested the name of his father. he was the main JW ( Revelation ( apocalypse ) 3:14, Jon 17:6)

 

[Shadylookin]

I disagree with that statement. I do not believe that Jesus is dead at the moment. He did die on the cross, but was resurrected the third day. Therefore I beleive that Christ is alive right now. Here are some Scriptures that back up my view,

The bits uderlined show us what Christians are if Christ did not rise from the dead. But since I believe that Christ is indeed Resurrected and alive, then if I believe that, I believe that I believe in the Truth.
The Resurrection of Jesus Christ is one of the Fundamental belief's of the Bible. If you don't believe that, then why do you call yourself a Christian. This is one the hallmarks of being a Christian. Christ came to earth to save people from their sins. The proof that he actually did what he said is by the fact that he rose from the dead.

The resurrection definitely is a miracle. It shows us that Christ is who he says he is and is a undeniable proof that Jesus is indeed God.

For god so loved that world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever would believe in him would believe in anything.

Show me undeniable proof that the bible is correct about the resurrection and that other stories about godlings coming from virgins and being killed and arising on the 3rd day are false.

As i said ... The MODERN Society of the JW is as u say fron that age.

yet the Bible makes refferences to jehovas witnesses since Abel. ( A Witness is someone who gives testimony ) So the Zions watchtower took that name ( JW ) because it seemed appropiate.

According to the Bible the Line of JW goesdown to Abel I dont have time to post the entire text rigth now ( its too long) so i will just post the wich text is : Hebrews 11: 4-12:1

in relation with jesus the Bible declares :"" This are the matters that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness , the beggining of the creation of God" From who was jesus witness? he said that he had manifested the name of his father. he was the main JW ( Revelation ( apocalypse ) 3:14, Jon 17:6)

I always knew you could justify anything with the bible so now jehovas witnesses existed before they ever existed? I also like how you didn't respond to Birdjaguar's post about gods evilness.

Btw don't JW believe that Jesus is the reincarnation of michael the archangel? and that Jesus wasn't put on a cross but a torture stake?

 

[Birdjaguar]

Btw don't JW believe that Jesus is the reincarnation of michael the archangel? and that Jesus wasn't put on a cross but a torture stake?

I think you are right abut these two. I'd be curious to know how they came to those conclusions.

 

[Shadylookin]

I think you are right abut these two. I'd be curious to know how they came to those conclusions.

I found a bunch more

1. There is one God in one person (Make Sure of All Things, p. 188).

2. There is no Trinity (Let God be True, pp. 100-101; Make Sure of All Things, p. 386); i.e., Unitarian.

3. The Holy Spirit is a force, not alive (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 406-407).

4. The Holy Spirit is God's impersonal active force (The Watchtower, June 1, 1952, p. 24).

5. Jehovah's first creation was his "only-begotten Son" ... was used by Jehovah in creating all other things (Aid to Bible Understanding, pp. 390-391), i.e., deny the eternality of the Son).

6. Jesus was Michael the archangel who became a man (The Watchtower, May 15, 1963, p. 307; The New World, p. 284).

7. Jesus was only a perfect man, not God in flesh (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 89-90) i.e., Scripture is wrong.

8. Jesus did not rise from the dead in his physical body (Awake! July 22, 1973, p. 4).

9. Jesus was raised "not a human creature, but a spirit" (Let God be True, p. 276).

10. Jesus did not die on a cross but on a stake (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 89-90), i.e., Scripture is wrong.

11. Jesus returned to earth, invisibly, in 1914 (The Truth Shall Make You Free, p. 300).

12. Jesus' ransom sacrifice did not include Adam (Let God be True, p. 119).

13. The JW church is the self-proclaimed prophet of God (The Watchtower, February 15, 1979, p. 30).

14. JWs claim to be the only channel of God's truth (The Watchtower, February 15, 1981, p. 19).

15. Only their church members will be saved, i.e., 144,000 of them (The Watchtower, February 15, 1979, p. 30).

16. Good works are necessary for salvation (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 1, pp. 150, 152).

17. The soul ceases to exist after death, i.e., annihilation (Let God be True, pp. 59, 60, 67).

18. There is no hell of fire where the wicked are punished (Let God be True, pp. 79-80).

19. Only 144,000 Jehovah's Witnesses go to heaven (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 166-167, 361; Let God be True, p. 121).

20. Blood transfusions are a sin (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 72-73).

21. Salvation is by faith and what you do (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 1, pp. 150, 152).

22. It is possible to lose your salvation (Reasoning from the Scriptures, 1985, pp. 358-359).

23. The universe is billions of years old, though created by a Creator, i.e., theistic evolution (Your will Be Done on Earth, p. 43).

24. Each of the six creative days of God in Genesis 1, was 7,000 years long. Therefore, Man was created toward the end of 42,000 years of earth's preparation

If there are any JW's that don't have me on their ignore list I'd like to know if these are correct.