Tsukemono5
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They didn't.
TSK 01 - Eastern Uproar
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Rubberjello
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ControlFreak
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I didn't think they had any tech over you. Comments just for future reference.
Rubberjello
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Are we going to skip Nick again? Aren't finals over yet? 
Tsukemono5
American Pickle
As it's been over a day, Rubberjello, take it. GL.
Nick014
Deposed Despot
yeah, finals are over, but the suprise family vacation wasn't . I'll grab it now or you can skip me again.
. I'll grab it now or you can skip me again.Rubberjello
Emperor
We are Republic at 10-0-0 on the slider and earning 67 gpt
In general, I'm just going to build Marketplaces and Aqueducts (if needed) in our core. I'm ignoring Libraries since as soon as Chivalry pops from the Great Library, this game is going to be over fast. In the outer ring of cities some Courthouses are going up, while in fringe cities, Temples and Barracks are all they are good for.
380 AD (1) Rush some Temples in the fringe cities. Osaka starts churning out Horses for our eventual Samurais.
390 AD (2) Some cultural expansions, Workers running around.
400 AD (3) Workers scurrying.
410 AD (4) Workers scurrying.
420 AD (5) Grrr!!! We can't even trade any luxuries around! Everybody hates us for some reason!
430 AD (6) We get 2 additions to our palace!. Kyoto starts churning our Horses. Rush a few Courthouses.
440 AD (7) We get a Penthouse build on our palace. Cleo dares to try to extort us! What is she smoking? We call her bluff.
450 AD (8) Feudalism has finally popped from the G.L. Edo set to produce Horses also. Should we try to research Chivalry ourselves once Monotheism pops? The longer we have Samurai and they don't have Gunpowder, the better off we'll be.
460 AD (9) Upgrade all Vet Spears to Vet Pikes. Upgrade all Vet Swords to Vet Med. Infantry. I leave Elite swords alone for future GL fishing??
470 AD (10) I assume we are going to get Sun Tzu's and the Forbidden Palace from a GLs? It would take 40+ turns and the loss of a good city to build it ourselves. I don't see where we have talked about it much on this thread. Tech race has really slowed down. Our infrastructure is looking good though! We are approaching earning 100 GPT
The Game (470AD)
Our military:
Sorry Nick. I just saw your post and already played turns. You can certainly pick it up here and go after me, I don't think anyone would mind!
In general, I'm just going to build Marketplaces and Aqueducts (if needed) in our core. I'm ignoring Libraries since as soon as Chivalry pops from the Great Library, this game is going to be over fast. In the outer ring of cities some Courthouses are going up, while in fringe cities, Temples and Barracks are all they are good for.
380 AD (1) Rush some Temples in the fringe cities. Osaka starts churning out Horses for our eventual Samurais.
390 AD (2) Some cultural expansions, Workers running around.
400 AD (3) Workers scurrying.
410 AD (4) Workers scurrying.
420 AD (5) Grrr!!! We can't even trade any luxuries around! Everybody hates us for some reason!
430 AD (6) We get 2 additions to our palace!. Kyoto starts churning our Horses. Rush a few Courthouses.
440 AD (7) We get a Penthouse build on our palace. Cleo dares to try to extort us! What is she smoking? We call her bluff.
450 AD (8) Feudalism has finally popped from the G.L. Edo set to produce Horses also. Should we try to research Chivalry ourselves once Monotheism pops? The longer we have Samurai and they don't have Gunpowder, the better off we'll be.
460 AD (9) Upgrade all Vet Spears to Vet Pikes. Upgrade all Vet Swords to Vet Med. Infantry. I leave Elite swords alone for future GL fishing??
470 AD (10) I assume we are going to get Sun Tzu's and the Forbidden Palace from a GLs? It would take 40+ turns and the loss of a good city to build it ourselves. I don't see where we have talked about it much on this thread. Tech race has really slowed down. Our infrastructure is looking good though! We are approaching earning 100 GPT
The Game (470AD)
Our military:
Sorry Nick. I just saw your post and already played turns. You can certainly pick it up here and go after me, I don't think anyone would mind!
OneFastWarrior
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yes Nick, please take it here. I would not be able to play until Friday (I would really have to rush to play today or tommorrow). If nobody else has any probs, then hop right in.
Tsukemono5
American Pickle
Yes. ASAP, rush to Chivalry and upgrade all our horsies.
Look out world, cause Samurai kick ass
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Look out world, cause Samurai kick ass
.Nick014
Deposed Despot
ok, I see the game and will play it later tonight. I'd appreciate any suggestions/goals that you want to give me, as I've been out of this game for a while and need to get caught up.
Tsukemono5
American Pickle
1. Keep building Horses. They are not very good now, but once we get Chivalry, well, :die:.
2. Upgrade all non-Elite swords to MDI.
3. Build roads. Lots of them.
4. Move troops and workers to the Ottoman front. We'll take care of them, swing back and kill Gandhi, then finish off Cleo if we haven't hit domination yet.
Lurkers and fellow teammates, anything I missed?
2. Upgrade all non-Elite swords to MDI.
3. Build roads. Lots of them.
4. Move troops and workers to the Ottoman front. We'll take care of them, swing back and kill Gandhi, then finish off Cleo if we haven't hit domination yet.
Lurkers and fellow teammates, anything I missed?
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Originally posted by Tsukemono5
1. Keep building Horses. They are not very good now, but once we get Chivalry, well, :die:.
2. Upgrade all non-Elite swords to MDI.
3. Build roads. Lots of them.
4. Move troops and workers to the Ottoman front. We'll take care of them, swing back and kill Gandhi, then finish off Cleo if we haven't hit domination yet.
Lurkers and fellow teammates, anything I missed?
Actually, all the troops are on the Egyptian front right now. So, our next target would rather be Egypt. Remember, on that front we only have Egypt to wipe out, but on the other side we have Gandhi and Otto.
Plus protecting against Gandhi and Otto while we are at war with Ehypt will be easy because all we have to do is protect a narrow bottleneck.
Protecting against Cleo while at war with Gandhi and Otto is much more difficult since we have a bigger border with Cleo.
Thinking of these things, I moved most of our forces to Cleo border.
Tsukemono5
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OK, scratch everything I said about troop movements . I am now revising it.
Use our MDI to their fullest and move most of our horses to cities with barracks near India. Once Monotheism comes in (buy off the Ottomans if you must), research to Chivalry as fast as possible while still earning a surplus, upgrade to Samurai, declare on India, and wipe them out. We want to take out India because jumbos can be built without resources and we DON'T want them to have a GA too. DON'T move our infantry from Egypt; it will take too long. Instead, build boats in Egypt and once India is gone, we'll declare on the Ottos and hit them from both sides at once.
Bz? Mind if you critique this? I am not a good warmonger yet, but this plan seems to be
free.
. I am now revising it.Use our MDI to their fullest and move most of our horses to cities with barracks near India. Once Monotheism comes in (buy off the Ottomans if you must), research to Chivalry as fast as possible while still earning a surplus, upgrade to Samurai, declare on India, and wipe them out. We want to take out India because jumbos can be built without resources and we DON'T want them to have a GA too. DON'T move our infantry from Egypt; it will take too long. Instead, build boats in Egypt and once India is gone, we'll declare on the Ottos and hit them from both sides at once.
Bz? Mind if you critique this? I am not a good warmonger yet, but this plan seems to be
free.Rubberjello
Emperor
Well, I don't know about betazed, but I think there is plenty of in your plan. (No offense intended!)
Firstly, buying Monotheism would be an unnecessary expense. We'll get it for free off the Great Library a few turns later. I vote we save ALL our money now, research Chivalry at a big deficit , and have enough money left over to upgrade 40+ horses into Samurai.
I'm with beta. It makes sense to go after Egypt first. We've got that nice bottleneck down there against India and Otto. If we go after India first, we may be fighting a war on three fronts with Egypt and Otto.
India is not much of a threat, really. They have not had a chance to build up their infrastructure.
in your plan. (No offense intended!)Firstly, buying Monotheism would be an unnecessary expense. We'll get it for free off the Great Library a few turns later. I vote we save ALL our money now, research Chivalry at a big deficit , and have enough money left over to upgrade 40+ horses into Samurai.
I'm with beta. It makes sense to go after Egypt first. We've got that nice bottleneck down there against India and Otto. If we go after India first, we may be fighting a war on three fronts with Egypt and Otto.
India is not much of a threat, really. They have not had a chance to build up their infrastructure.
Tsukemono5
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It's not as much as different playstyles. I prefer to take an active route (probably because I'm a builder at heart) and you prefer to wait for it to come in. It will depend on the situation. If Egypt is gone by the time Monotheism is for sale, then buy! If not, then wait for the GL to pop it.
I too am with bz on Egypt first. Once we've consolidated Egypt, move all our infantry to the southern shores to wait for the war with Osman. Build more MDI and pikes to guard the SODs from knights. Then kill India @ Chivalry, declare on Ottomans, attack from both sides, and the game is in our hands. Is that a decent plan was really what I was asking.
as different playstyles. I prefer to take an active route (probably because I'm a builder at heart) and you prefer to wait for it to come in. It will depend on the situation. If Egypt is gone by the time Monotheism is for sale, then buy! If not, then wait for the GL to pop it. I too am with bz on Egypt first. Once we've consolidated Egypt, move all our infantry to the southern shores to wait for the war with Osman. Build more MDI and pikes to guard the SODs from knights. Then kill India @ Chivalry, declare on Ottomans, attack from both sides, and the game is in our hands. Is that a decent plan was really what I was asking.
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Originally posted by Tsukemono5
Bz? Mind if you critique this? I am not a good warmonger yet, but this plan seems to be
Well, as RubberJello said, this is not
free (once again, no offense).(a) What is the big hurry in going to war. In fact, the later we go to war, the better for us. We have the largest empire that means over time we accumulate more military than our rivals. So if we go to war later we have a more advantage.
(b) Why waste money on research when we have the GL? Save that money to upgrade more of our horses to Samurai. (In fact I would upgrade to Samurai first and then if money is left upgrade the swords to MI). Remember, it will take quite a bit of money to upgrade each horse (70G IIRC)
(c) It will be so easy to resist India and Otto (even combined) on the choke point by just playing defensive there. So why make our lives difficult by fighting an offensive war on two fronts.
(d) i think you are getting scared because of the Indian War elephants. True they do not need any resources, but they are also expensive and India is not that large. And Samurai is a better unit than war elephant.
So, relax. Just build infrastructure, nuild horses and accumulate money till Chivalry.
Remember, patience is a virtue.
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Originally posted by Tsukemono5
It's not as much
I too am with bz on Egypt first. Once we've consolidated Egypt, move all our infantry to the southern shores to wait for the war with Osman. Build more MDI and pikes to guard the SODs from knights. Then kill India @ Chivalry, declare on Ottomans, attack from both sides, and the game is in our hands. Is that a decent plan was really what I was asking.
This plan may work but it is risky. WHat if Egypt signs a MA with Otto and India when you go to war now. Our eastern front is lightly defended. Will you be able to fend off an attack there right now (With samurai later we would be able to do that easily). I do not think so. After two of your cities get razed you will face WW. Then you have to increase lux. That means you lose money et. etc.
It is too risky and all we are getting in return is a bit faster game. Not worth it. As it is this game will be over in the middle ages. Trust me, that is FAST.
Tsukemono5
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It's just that I want this done soon so I can start TSK02 - Sibling Rivalry (shameless plug to follow).
[shameless plug]
Basically, the concept is a two player SG as the Babylonians. One player is pursuing a space race victory, the other a cultural victory.
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Also, have you considered that the difficulty of a two-front war is usually for the defender? Offensive it's very effective. Plus, I want to go to war soon because the mere thought of facing a GA'ing Ottoman civ with Sipahi scares me. You have not known fear until, in an AW, the Ottomans get Sipahi just as your GA from Ansar Warriors ends. The reason why I (and rubberjello IIRC) want to research Chivalry is so that our Samurai get their overwhelming advantage and our pikes theirs before the other civs have already built up knights and can a) kill our pikes and b) kill our samurai. Your point d is correct, I was remembering the India of my AW (shudder). And as for point c, a good offense is the best defense.
[shameless plug]
Basically, the concept is a two player SG as the Babylonians. One player is pursuing a space race victory, the other a cultural victory.
[/shameless plug]
Also, have you considered that the difficulty of a two-front war is usually for the defender? Offensive it's very effective. Plus, I want to go to war soon because the mere thought of facing a GA'ing Ottoman civ with Sipahi scares me. You have not known fear until, in an AW, the Ottomans get Sipahi just as your GA from Ansar Warriors ends. The reason why I (and rubberjello IIRC) want to research Chivalry is so that our Samurai get their overwhelming advantage and our pikes theirs before the other civs have already built up knights and can a) kill our pikes and b) kill our samurai. Your point d is correct, I was remembering the India of my AW (shudder). And as for point c, a good offense is the best defense.
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You are scared of Sipahi? I wonder why?
But seriously, Sipahi comes in with Military Tradition. I doubt this game will last that long. Why don't you just trust me on this; throw caution to the wind and wait till we get Chivalry.
ok, we will even research Chivalry just to put your mind at ease when Mono comes in from GL.
But seriously, Sipahi comes in with Military Tradition. I doubt this game will last that long. Why don't you just trust me on this; throw caution to the wind and wait till we get Chivalry.
ok, we will even research Chivalry just to put your mind at ease when Mono comes in from GL.
Tsukemono5
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Thanks bz . I love Samurai. Second best Knight UU there (Riders RULE). And the reason I'm scared of Sipahi is the same reason I voted for Ottomans in BZ2. My main problem with this game is I keep dragging in the baggage from my AW game and jumping when Gandhi's attitude drops. Yes, Gandhi 
. I need a builder game... Since I won't play in TSK02, perhaps I'll make a TSK03 after Sibling Rivalry gets on its feet...
. I love Samurai. Second best Knight UU there (Riders RULE). And the reason I'm scared of Sipahi is the same reason I voted for Ottomans in BZ2. My main problem with this game is I keep dragging in the baggage from my AW game and jumping when Gandhi's attitude drops. Yes, Gandhi . I need a builder game... Since I won't play in TSK02, perhaps I'll make a TSK03 after Sibling Rivalry gets on its feet...
