Tupac02-Ghandi the Conqueror AWE

[SimpleMonkey]

lurker's comment: For what it's worth, this monkey would have gone with Leo's as well. Its effects are good everywhere, not just on its continent, it's not something you want the AI to get instead, and -- here's the deciding factor for me -- this is the only time you're going to be able to build it. You can always rush the palace later. (And it looks like Ur would have been a great spot for that BTW.)

Overseas invasions are tough, but Leo's really might be the edge to get you all a foothold. Keep shipping upgraded troops over, and the odds are good that you'll be seeing another Great Leader before too long.

Good luck!

 

[tupaclives]

Well if we are going for Leo's my suggestion would be in Babylon to expand its culture (which would make it more difficult to attack) and also it is the best defended city and so would be least likely to be lost. As we don't know how much longer we have till Leo's is finished we don't know if we can afford the wait to get the leader across to our main continent.

 

[markh]

I would put in in Babylon, too.

 

[McLMan]

Lboogie13?

 

[Lboogie13]

Sorry gents that it took me so long to post this save. I actually finished it last night but didn't have a chance to post.

1050 - Switch Babylon to Leo's due in 597 turns but use the great leader and alas we will have it next turn, hit enter

IBT - large stack of Persian troops land outside Babylon

1060 - We get Gunpowder, Chemistry in 10, Babylon riots but we now have Leo's, move to bring more reinforcements to new continent, move some workers to improve area around Indus, attack the Persian units outside Bab, five units in total, all regular, redline 3, yellow line 2, Greeks building JS Bach and Magellan, Aztecs building Magellan

IBT - Persians retreat but destroy improvements along the way, Chinese horsemen attacks Bab, pike defends and redlines Chinese unit until it retreats, 2 Persian immortals and one long bowman move outside Bab

1070 - catapult and redline all Persians, attack with WE, flawless victory, continue moving reinforcements

IBT - Aztec sword attacks our veteran WE, redlines but we get a promotion to elite, Aztec horseman attacks same WE and kills it, Persian knight appears

1080 - More reinforcements, exploring with several galleys, try to attack Persian knight before it destroys improvements, lose one vet WE

1090 - zzzzzz

IBT - Persian knight appears and destroys improvements

1000 - exploring, Chinese have muskets

1110 - Finished road in core to get saltpeter, Chinese complete JS Bac in Shanghai, Persians complete Magellan, founded New Hyderabad, Aztecs have muskets, attack and capture Ashur from the Aztecs with only 2 WE, no casualties, capture 4 slaves and recover two of our workers, it is too close to other major Aztecs cities so I raze it

IBT - Regular chinese galley attacks veteran galley, we win, Aztec Knight attacks vet WE outside where Ashur used to be, we win -1 HP

1120 - zzzzz

1130 - Get Chemistry, Metallurgy in 10, lost galley, I forgot about a few random ocean squares

IBT - Persians and Aztecs attack WE outside New Hyderabad, we win

1140 - Founded New Dacca, iron underneath it, attack Tlatelolco held by Aztecs, lose 1 WE, city has barracks and Marketplace so I decide to keep it, we have no barracks yet on this continent and none coming soon, Tlatelolco is not near other cities to flip, so I thought it was a safe bet

IBT - Vet Persian galley attacks our regular galley and defeats us

1150 - Attack Akkad (Persians) and raze it, no losses and we get one slave but no gold, founded New Indus

Post-flight - Well we now have a ton of galleys with more on the way. I started production on several muskets, we have a bunch more reinforcements on the new continent, especially WE. I did not upgrade any units yet since we have no harbors on the new continent to bring in salpeter and frankly I didn't need to upgrade. Anyway, the next player should have plenty of WE to attack. Here's the save

View attachment Tupac02_1150AD.SAV

 

[markh]

Sounds like good progress LBoogie

So roster is like this :

Tupaclives - got us a big building supporting our ships
Lboogie13 - began to wreck some havoc among this green guy
McLman - UP
markh - on deck

 

[tupaclives]

Nice work Lboogie!

 

[McLMan]

Things have become kind of crazy for me at work. Would a swap be OK? I will be able to play during the weekend.

BTW, I did look at the save. Everyting looks really good. Nice healthy stack all in order, reinforcments en route.

Good job Lboogie

 

[tupaclives]

I have no problem with it provided its alrite with Markh
if theres no problems that would give us a roster of

tupaclives
Lboogie13 - just played
McLman - On deck
Markh - UP

 

[markh]

No problem. I can play tonight or tomorrow morning.

 

[markh]

Hi guys, I am in turn 9 and we have our second leader . Wanted to check with you first what to do with him. I would suggest an army as the Great Lib is not far away from us (just 3 tiles) and I think the next player would be able to capture it with the help of an army.

 

[tupaclives]

An army, been playing some single player AW games and we should get plenty of leaders. We can drop down a palace once the lands on the new continent would actually get some immediate benefit from it (or rather, enough of an immediate benefit to negate the reductions in our homeland)

 

[McLMan]

I agree, an army would be best.

 

[markh]

ok, an army. Will finish my set now and post the log in about 20 minutes.

 

[markh]

0) 1150AD : rearrange some tiles and fire some clowns

IBT : an immortal kills a sword
two immortals are unloaded at Ellipi
a Chinese rider captures our workers at Babylon
Delhi : WE -> WE
Madras : musketman -> musketman

1) 1160AD : WE kills immortal perfectly and promotes elite
we kills second immortal at Ellipi
elite horseman kills rider
elite swordsman kills immortal

IBT : Tlate... is attacked by a Persian and Aztec knight, but our wes hold it without problems
a rider attacks our stack and loses
lose a cat on an island
Kolhapur : we -> lib
Lahore : we -> we
Swordy Mountain : we -> musket
Jaipur : musket -> we
Chittagong : musket -> musket
New Kolhapur : we -> lib
New Lahore : galley -> courthouse
New Bengal : galley -> courthouse
The Chinese begin Newton's

2) 1170AD : moving troops

IBT : we lose a we to a rider
several Persian and Aztec knights suicide against fortified wes
Chinese drop a longbow at New Jaipur
Tlatelolco flips should have razed it.
Karachi : musket -> we
Indus : musket -> we
Pune : duct -> we
New Jaipur riots

3) 1180AD : we lose a we attacking Texcoco
we retakes Tlateloco and razes it, I hate flips
we kills the longbow at New Jaipur and promotes elite

IBT : we lose a we to an Aztec longbow
we lose a we to 2 Persian knights
our golden age ends
New Calcutta : musket -> lib

4) 1190AD : swordsman kills immortal
lose a swordsman to an immortal
swordsman kills immortal
lose a swordsman to an immortal
we kills Aztec longbow
we kills Persian knight
we kills immortal
lose a we to an immortal
we have to turn back science to 30% due to our ended golden age

IBT : Aztec longbow kills a we
Rider suicides against a we
Bombay : we -> we
Bangalore : we -> we
New Punjab : harbor -> cat

5) 1200AD : lose a we to a hoplite
moving troops

IBT : a lot of immortals and riders enter our territory
Delhi : we -> we
Lyons : harbor -> musket
New Delhi : musket -> lib
New Lahorex2 : harbor -> cat

6) 1210AD : we kills Chinese longbow
we kills immortal

IBT : we lose 3 wes to immortals and riders at New Indus
Madras : musket -> musket
Punjab : lib -> musket
Bengal : duct -> we
New Madras : duct -> cat

7) 1220AD : lose a we to a rider
rush walls in New Indus
we kills hoplite
we kills hoplite and takes Eretria
we meet the Americans : declare war
horseman kills rider

IBT : we lose a we at New Dacca and New Indus
New Indus : walls -> barracks
Indus : we -> we
America is at war with the Aztecs

8) 1230AD : cats arrive at New Indus and ping all troops around it
elite we kills immortal
we kills Persian knight
elite we kills Persian longbow
elite we kills immortal
we kills immortal

IBT : an American galles sinks one of ours
Calcutta : we -> we
Lahore : we -> we
Swordy Mountain : musket -> musket
Jaipur : we -> we
Dacca : musket -> lib
Ganges : we -> duct

9) 1240AD : we kills Aztec longbow
elite we kills Aztec longbow
we kills Aztec longbow and promotes elite
elite we kills immortal and we get our second leader

IBT : 1 Persian knight suicides at New Dacca
1 Persian kills a we at New Dacca
Metallurgy is in -> Military Tradition in 20
Karachi : we -> we
Chittagong : musket -> musket

10) 1250AD : elite we kills Persian knight
rush walls in New Dacca
we kills Chinese musket at Babylon
we kills Aztec longbow

The Chinese have frigates, so I think we have to expect some cavs soon. I have not moved the cats at New Dacca and all phants there. I leave it to the next better player whether to try to take the GLib with phants only or with the help of the cats a little later. The Aztecs have muskets in their cities and it is their caiptol I think, so they will have some more units in it.

The save and a pic.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads11/Tupac02_1250AD.SAV

 

[tupaclives]

Good work Markh, shame about the flip of tlat, what troops did we lose? My suggestion would be to raze everything from here on in unless it has something we want (if we miss smiths, maybe bachs (??), Sun Tzu's wud be useful here as well and obviously the Great Library.)
Speaking of what we want, do we want to go for the Great Library now? I know that the longer we put it off the harder it will be to get our hands on and right now we have a great chance to grab it (cover the stack with the army, even if they arnt great at fighting in Vanilla they still offer a lot defensivly) however we only get 1 shot at it, once we get it we cant grab it later. Although there is every chance that in the few turns it will take us to get it if we go for it now, it could be enough to throw us into the Industrial Age.

Oh well I'm glad those choices fall to McLman.
Couldn't be in safer hands, good luck!

 

[markh]

We lost 4 phants when Tlatel... flipped. More or less I saw it coming and the turn before I sat there and thought whether I should abandon it.

Great Lib is a difficult decision at the moment. I think only the Chinese are very advanced. Anyhow the Aztecs are the weakest enemy at the moment, so we should go for them first. I tried to advance into Persian territory as the cats were left there, but I had to withdraw as the stack got attacked each turn and I could not advance and units had to heal. Raze everything that has no wonder would be my suggestion, too.

 

[tupaclives]

And not even all the wonder cities need be saved. What good is the oracle to us? or the collosus? or the Great Wall?

 

[markh]

Yes, this I took for granted. Should be more clear in my writing. We can even abandon the city with the GLib after we got the benefits of it. It is their capitol at size 12. It will flip for sure.

 

[McLMan]

I got it. Will play within the next few hours.