Turns 71 - 80: Summary Thread

[jojon]

Time for me to put some energy into the team again. Thought I should start a new summary thread early, instead of late.

Here's some things / questions I think we should discuss:

1) To what should we rename Delhi?

2) SL should utilize the lake instead of farm, for increased research (happy
limit is already reached).

3) We can gain nothing from being hostile towards another team this early in the game. Instead, we should try to build up trading with Aloha in the near future. I would advise our Foreign Minister to reply throughly and with friendlyness on Alohas latest posting.

4) As someone pointed out earlier, there is probably a long distance from us to our closest team. We should spend as little as we can on our military. Just enough to hold off the barbarians.

5) I remember a map with good possible city sites from before. Has anyone updated that? Which of the copper city sites should we expand to first?

6) Some long term research goals would be could (I'm all for the religous path for now, but after that?)

How about Alphabet as a short term goal, to facilitate tech-trading with Aloha?

 

[Karl Townsend]

also since we got a big space we should concentrate on expanding

 

[Karhu]

I’m back, though I still do not have internet at home yet, so participation maybe spotty.

Jojon has made a good list for us to go threw, I’ll add my thoughts:

1) Should we rename Dehli?

1) definitely rename the city at next opportunity, continuing with the monopoly railroad theme.

2) SL should utilize the lake instead of farm, for increased research (happy
limit is already reached).

2) looks like Jeejeep already took care of that for us.

3) We can gain nothing from being hostile towards another team this early in the game. Instead, we should try to build up trading with Aloha in the near future. I would advise our Foreign Minister to reply throughly and with friendlyness on Alohas latest posting.

3) agreed. I think we should authorize our UN rep to maintain a frequent and regular dialog with Aloha to build up relations. Eventually (long from now) we may suggest a sort of North/South relationship where we aid each other.

4) As someone pointed out earlier, there is probably a long distance from us to our closest team. We should spend as little as we can on our military. Just enough to hold off the barbarians.

4) agreed, because I said that.

Updated:
5) I remember a map with good possible city sites from before. Has anyone updated that?

5) Jeejeep has suggest a sit for our next city:
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=186751&page=2
We should either confirm his suggestion or perhaps start an independent thread to discus city local. I’ll look at the issue myself tonight.

6) Some long term research goals would be could (I'm all for the religous path for now, but after that?)

6) A good topic to bring up. We should all give this some thought.

 

[Karl Townsend]

Well if anyone has a basic plan i can write up our reserch goals in a more complex way

Originally Posted by jojon
6) Some long term research goals would be could (I'm all for the religous path for now, but after that?)

 

[Karhu]

After looking at the 1320 save I have several suggestions:

A) Delhi - I see no need to build a warrior in Delhi as we already have two warriors there, one of which should immediately leave for our copper city site. Further military buildup should wait until we have axemen or archers. Instead I would suggest a Granary followed by a Library, first to grow quickly in a tough city location (no great food source) and then to make use of the gold mines in researching new tech. A farm should also be built immediately following the completion of gold mine #1.

B) SL - as soon as Stonehenge finishes we agreed to produced a settler for our copper city correct? Should we follow this with a library or a Buddhist Missionary, we need to spread our religion to take advantage of organized religion once we reach it.

C) B&O - what are we building after the work boat finishes? This question must be answered before our next turn! I suggest prioritizing growth and very slowly building a barracks. This way B&O will have the capacity to quickly produce quality (well, +2 exp any way) troops once our copper city comes online. Growth is more important right now than production. I would say simply turn on “emphasize food” until we want to time the completion of the barrack with the completion of connecting copper to our internal trade network.

D) Short term research - after monotheism I would recommend Sailing, as it would be helpful for all three of our cities, particularly the two with freshwater lakes which make for good food production and commerce (and can’t be pillaged).

E) Long term research - We have sometime before a decision must be made. In the near future we have a lot of early techs to fill in (hunting, archery, animal husbandry). If we figure out the Alphabet perhaps we could trade with Aloha for these early techs. I don’t have any good ideas past that at this point.

E_b) Senior Scientist - I move that we create the position of “Senior Scientist” (or other tile such as “National Science Advisor”). Once nominated and approved, this person would be responsible for immediately opening a new thread in which research priorities and paths would be discussed. Additionally, the Senior Scientist would reserve and then continually edit the first post to show the agreed upon tech path. So, for example, right now it would read something like;

Current agreed upon Tech Path (in descending order):
- masonry
- polytheism
- organized religion
- ?

The Senior Scientist could also help keep track of potential tech trading opportunities.

F) Diplomacy - recommend authorizing our UN diplomat to open boarders with Aloha. Additionally, how about starting an independent “Diplomacy thread” so that our UN rep can post the regular exchanges and we (team loco) can discus adopting formal actions (tech trades, open boarders, war, resource trades, etc.) Actions taken could still be formally reported in the turn summary thread, but separating them out would help give our team a little more structure and order.

 

[Karl Townsend]

E_b) Senior Scientist - I move that we create the position of “Senior Scientist” (or other tile such as “National Science Advisor&#8221. Once nominated and approved, this person would be responsible for immediately opening a new thread in which research priorities and paths would be discussed. Additionally, the Senior Scientist would reserve and then continually edit the first post to show the agreed upon tech path. So, for example, right now it would read something like;

hmm id like this idea and be willing to take the position
as long you keep me updated on the tech trees

 

[jojon]

Kahru, Good points there about , and the other things too.
jeejeep, Be sure to account for these things as we make our next turn.

Lets give Karl a chance to show how good a sience advisor he can be. I wouldn't mind helping with that myself, but as I'm starting a four-week Australia/Southafrica-trip on Tuesday cool: ) I will not be able to help the team much in the near future.

One thing about . If Aloha's diplomat is as friendly and active as he seems to be, maybe we could coordinate tech-trading with them even before one of the teams have discovered Alphabet? So both of our teams don't rush Alphabet.

koondrad, are you up for the task?

 

[jeejeep]

A lot to cover. First I'll give my turn summary, then my opinions. Sorry, but I think I may have to triple post to seperate my opinions and other things.

Units: Alpha wolf moves north, desert and more water.
One worker is building a mine on a gold hill, the other is about to move to make a road towards the copper city.

Cities: B&O finishes work boat, starts barracks on max growth.

SL is still the same, stonehenge in two.
Delhi (needs name recommendation) continues, building a warrior. Better to be safe then sorry in my opinion, and I want a second for Karhu before I overrule myself.

Research: Masonry in one, polytheism next. Here is a screenshot of our tech tree for Karl.

 

[jeejeep]

In response to Karhu and Jojon.

Jojon's 1-6.

1. Delhi- need a renaming suggestion.
2. Done
3. Fine with me, we need Konndrad for this.
4. Agreed, we just have to make sure not to get overrun by barbs. Maybe post axes to the chokes when we get them.
5. I like my city site, but we can have more discussion.
6. About Alphabet, look at my next post. I am not sure where to go next now.

Karhu's A-F

A. Agreed on everything except the warrrior, I am just scared of barbarians and it will still be at least ten turns until we hook up copper. We would have a hard time facing barb archers with our current defenses.

B. Agreed, I think the library first. My question would be if we should whip the settler, and if so, how much?

C. I did what you suggested, but am not sure it was the best idea. I would rather switch to a worker. Two workers for four cities isn't good enough for me.

D. I'm not sure how sailing would be so helpful, is there something I'm missing here?

E. Sorry, not really sure of my opinion here. The senior scientist is a good idea though, and I approve of Karl.

F. I like the idea of a diplomacy thread. Are you saying I should open borders with Aloha, or just that we should discuss it and get Konndrad's opinion.

 

[jeejeep]

Possibly the most important part of this turn. Makes me less than sure that we shouuld race to Alphabet. If they have neglected other techs to get it this early, perhaps we can trade with them to get it (unlikely).

Spoiler :

Greetings, Loco.

I'm sure both our empires have developed since our last diplomatic encounter. For Innovia's part we may be on the verge of a ground-breaking innovation that will allow us to share knowledge with other civilizations.
Each of our civilizations have knowledge that the other don't have. Why not share this knowledge between us so that we may both be richer? While we will be putting our innovative efforts into making this sort of trading possible, why not collaborate? There's no reason that we both innovate the same innovations when we could be innovating different ones and trading, essiensially doubling the innovative capacity that any of us could have on our own.
I hope you will take our proposal into consideration, and the Innovians are as always open to any other innovative ideas that you might have.

Theoden,
Foreign Minister of Innovia

 

[Karhu]

I)I see why you want an additional worker Jeejeep. However, we are really pushing the envelop here with our production, lots to get out in little time. Plus, there is no need to develop a tile that can’t be worked due to a small city population. I think two worker will be able to keep up with city growth for now, if we only developing the tile we intend to use immediately.

II)Well I certainly say open boarder, and Jojon did as well, so if you support the idea then that’s three of us and that seems to make for consensus around here so... do it at the next available opportunity. It would be best and more proper if Konndrad gave us his opinion first, and then sent an email to Aloha since he is the UN rep.

III_a)Innovia and the Alphabet - we will have to be carful. I suggest a courteous but non-committing reply while we explore possibilities with Aloha, who I feel much more comfortable dealing with. This is sooner than I wanted to move, but I think we really need a rapid exchange of friendly messages to Aloha. Konndrad?

III_b)Ah! This is good news actually! Innovia founded Hinduism, so they are the team that is much closer than us to Monotheism. If they are taking the time to research the Alphabet we have a good shot of snagging Judaism. Stall in all trade negotiation with Innovia until just before we get Monotheism. We must not trade Masonry until the time is right.

IV)To answer your question about sailing - This would be quite a ways down the road so we can discuss this in the Science thread once Karl gets it up (I’ll third the nomination, we just need to decided if terms will coincide with the executive leader) but, Sailing would be helpful because two of our cities have fresh water lakes (2, 2) with a light house that become 3, 2. Which is pretty good and can’t be pillaged.

 

[Karl Townsend]

Well Lets Hope There Not Just pretending to like us and scout out our lands so they can kick our asses later on in the game
it also does look like there willing to trade techs with other teams

for our techs i think we should go for iron working to see if any iron is in our lands so we dont get a nasty suprise that an iron tile is 1 square outta of our citys working range

O and if we go for polythesuim has anyone got hinduisum

 

[Karhu]

Hinduism is already claimed, which is why I was excited that Innovia was wasting time on the Alphabet. Means we can still steal Judaism.

Iron working is of course a good tech, but doesn’t do much for us now. We don’t need swordsmen, nor the ability to chop jungles. It’d be nice to know where iron is to get a little production boost, but I think that is secondary getting the Judaism/organized religion, which would give an immediate production boost to all buildings. Where a spiritual civ, we should abuse it.

 

[koondrad]

So what should I tell Innovia? What's the general opinion on the matter?

 

[Karhu]

So what should I tell Innovia? What's the general opinion on the matter?

First, if you thought it was a good idea....
Open a Diplomacy thread so we can keep this all together.

As for the reply...
Be friendly, and say you’re quite interested in this concept of “writing” words. Embellish, and have fun with it, but be non-committal.

 

[Karl Townsend]

Iron working is of course a good tech, but doesn’t do much for us now. We don’t need swordsmen, nor the ability to chop jungles. It’d be nice to know where iron is to get a little production boost, but I think that is secondary getting the Judaism/organized religion, which would give an immediate production boost to all buildings. Where a spiritual civ, we should abuse it.

well soppsee we get that we might as well reep the rewards form the money bonus if we get the religions great temple

But we might need to become prepared because if 1 of the teams is EXTREMLY hostile then we have a very weak desfense if they have a strong attack force

 

[Karhu]

well soppsee we get that we might as well reep the rewards form the money bonus if we get the religions great temple

- we have more cities with Buddhism, so will want to prioritize that religion’s temple, unless we know Judaism spreads to one of our enemies (great for spying), which we could then shift over to. Eventually we’ll want religious temples for both because we’ll be building both types of building to keep our population happy.

But we might need to become prepared because if 1 of the teams is EXTREMLY hostile then we have a very weak desfense if they have a strong attack force

- Axemen are a much stronger defense than swords, and we are executing a strategy to get them up fairly quickly via copper. We have a good shot at iron in our existing cities (b&O would be ideal). Demographics show we are still close militarily, tech should be making up the difference for the most part. I would still say barbs are a much bigger threat than humans at this time.

Side note, how bout those diplomacy and science threads?

 

[Karhu]

- It’s our turn and we have not contacted a Aloha about an Open boarders agreement!
We should do this now, as each turn provides a chance of seeding our religion into their empire so we can see exactly where they are. I suggest that Jeejeep takes action while playing the save, and that Koondrad send a corresponding email to Aloha. Both our teams need this agreement, as we are far behind in the financial departments.

 

[Karl Townsend]

- It’s our turn and we have not contacted a Aloha about an Open boarders agreement!
We should do this now, as each turn provides a chance of seeding our religion into their empire so we can see exactly where they are. I suggest that Jeejeep takes action while playing the save, and that Koondrad send a corresponding email to Aloha. Both our teams need this agreement, as we are far behind in the financial departments.

should we make the open borders a team descsion and open a poll on it?

 

[Karhu]

Karl - should we make the open borders a team descsion and open a poll on it?

I've never see this team poll anything. It would be a good idea if everyone checked in regularly, but that doesn't seem to be the case. But hay, I'm the new guy so what do i know?

Jojon - we should try to build up trading with Aloha

Jojon and me make two, but know one else has EVER said what they think about trading with Aloha, despite the protracted discussion we have had on this. SO SPEAK UP!

This will be easier when koondrad gets the diplomacy thread up. He can hold polls on matters like this, and keep the discussion in a single local. But we are moving far to slow, this conversation is a week old and two people have voiced an opinion!