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Discussion in 'Civ3 - Succession Games' started by Elephantium, Sep 1, 2013.

  1. LKendter

    LKendter Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!! Supporter

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    1315 AD (3)
    I sign peace with the Byzantine getting a mere $17 and WM.

    I switch non-corrupt cities to banks and universities. We need to improve our economy. With having Smith's we clearly gain from banks.
    (IT) We get the expected boot from Byzantine. I couldn't get all our troops out of her lands in 1 turn.


    1335 AD (7)
    (IT) Spain completes Newton. I'm glad I went with my gut and not try.


    1345 AD (8)
    I now see Rifles in a Spanish city.
    (IT) Research begins on rails. We really need that mobility for the next war.
    Summary:



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  2. MrRandomGuy

    MrRandomGuy Warlord

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    I've got it.

    Primary goal: build up infrastructure and try to catch up with the other nations.

    Secondary goal: build up troops.
     
  3. MrRandomGuy

    MrRandomGuy Warlord

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    Just started to play and I noticed something.

    Spain has Steam Power. Would it be better to set science and luxury to 0% and buy it from Spain? With everything set at 0% we will gain 217 GPT. Spain is furious with us however so it would require a bit of gold. At the current rate Steam power will be researched in 11 turns.

    Team, what do you think?
     
  4. CommandoBob

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    Good question.

    Even if we drop science and luxuries down to 0% and have the 217 gpt, can we buy it from her?

    My initial reaction is not to buy it and use our cash to short rush infrastructure and units. More work on our part as Micro-Managers but that is part of our job desription.

    But it all depends on the price.

    Also, how long is left on our peace treaty with Spain? A gpt deal may make her less furious and less likely to beat us up.
     
  5. LKendter

    LKendter Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!! Supporter

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    My gut is not to buy it. Don't forget we get some GPT back from Spain in a few more turns. Those number of turns hopefully drop.

    The last thing I want to do is fuel her research to get further ahead of us. Buy with GPT would do just that.
     
  6. LKendter

    LKendter Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!! Supporter

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  7. CommandoBob

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  8. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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  9. MrRandomGuy

    MrRandomGuy Warlord

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    0: 1350 AD

    Assessment:

    Things don't look as good as last time. We are behind in tech, behind in strength, and we need a much more stable economy.

    Steam power is set to be researched in 11 turns, however Spain has that technology already. I decide to leave research as is and research this on our own rather than buying it.

    2: 1360 AD

    IBT

    Spain renews the peace treaty as it has expired. Luckilly she didn't ask anything from us. I take the opprotunity to see if there are any trades available. For silks, spices, and incense she is willing to trade us Horses, world map, 3gpt, and 6 gold.

    Since we have no supply of horses, this could help us build up our army. It's a poor trade but it at least gives Spain less of a reason to turn on us again.

    It was only after I traded that I remembered horses are useless to us (at least for now) because Japanese Samurai replace knights. Blah.

    4: 1370 AD

    IBT: Spain is building Universal Sufferage

    5: 1375 AD

    Workers finish clearing the brush away underneath the settler near the Bayzantine empire. The city Trojan is created, in honor of the condoms we're using while we're running around with all these women.

    6: 1380 AD

    IBT: Greece wants Metallurgy and will give us The Republic. Yuck. I'm not too keen about giving Al cannons for a worthless technology we won't use. He'd alternatively trade his world map and 7gpt. Still not worth it.

    9: 1395 AD

    IBT: The Greeks are destroyed by the Byzantine empire. Probably why they wanted Metallurgy from us, lol

    Steam power has been researched. We need to create a better army, so Military Tradition is set to be researched in 5 turns. My other choice would have been electricity to get to replaceable parts. Whoever takes it next can change research if they wish.

    Summary

    The Greeks were destroyed by the Byzantine empire. Our infrastructure is slowly building. Units produced were mostly cannons.

    Overall it was an uneventful turnset. If it weren't for Greece being destroyed I would say nothing at all happened.
     

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  10. LKendter

    LKendter Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!! Supporter

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    I didn't see any comments above about the status of coal. I hope we do have some with the size of our territory.

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    Please make sure to the workers around our capitol are awake and laying rails if we have coal. We need a thin rail-net connecting cities a lot more then a few more shields in our core. The thin-net is the only way we will be able to deal with invasions.
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  11. LKendter

    LKendter Exterminate, exterminate, exterminate!!! Supporter

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    I'm not sure what makes sense in regards to military.
    We badly need better defenders as that is why I was getting chewed up in Byzantine territory.
    We also need better production (factories) to produce enough to deal with Byzantine and Spain.
     
  12. MrRandomGuy

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    I hadn't expected to research Steam Power early so I forgot to look for coal. Looking back at the game I see we have 2 deposits of coal in our homeland. Not sure where it is.
     
  13. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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  14. LKendter

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  15. CommandoBob

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  16. CommandoBob

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    Monarchy
    40% Tax
    60% Science
    00% Luxury

    790 gold, +76 gpt

    Military Tradition in 5 turns.

    City Builds
    • 05 Samurai
    • 09 Market
    • 09 Settler
    • 01 Courthouse (Rouen)
    • 11 Cannon
    • 02 University
    • 06 Musket
    • 02 Galleon
    • 01 Aqueduct (Izumi)
    • 01 Worker (Trojan)
    • 02 Harbor
    • 02 Bank

    Resources
    02 Coal
    02 Saltpeter
    03 Iron
    01 Horse (Spain)

    Luxury
    01 Furs
    03 Incense
    03 Spices
    03 Silks
    01 Gems

    City Count
    51 Japan (Tusk1 People)
    31 Spain
    33 Byzantium


    00 France The Crushed Crush
    00 Egypte The Gone-away Girlfriend
    00 Russia Our Late Lover
    00 England The Extinguished Ex
    00 Greece The Wimpy Rival


    Military
    05 Settler
    06 Worker
    81 Slaves
    01 Warrior
    06 Archer
    02 Spear
    01 Swords
    01 Horse
    16 Pike
    09 Muskets
    07 Catapult
    01 Catapult (captured)
    15 Cannon
    16 Caravel
    06 Army (Samurai)
    51 Samurai
    04 Maces
    18 Trebuchet
    02 Trebuchet (captured)

    Current Units: 163
    Allowed Units: 134
    Support Costs: 029 gpt

    We are Strong compared to:
    1. Byzantium (Republic)

    We are Average compared to:

    1. No one alive


    We are Weak compared to:
    1. Spain (Democracy)


    Wonder Races
    • Universal Suffrage
      • Toledo, Spain


    The Ladies of our Life
    We were too shy to talk to France and we got tired of trying to communicate non-verbally.
    Egypt was our girlfriend, but now is just an unpleasant memory.
    The love of our life, Russia is dead and our capital was razed in shame of this woeful bad choice of erotic blindness.
    Our Ex, the winter mistress of England, is now our Ex-Ex. I can't tell if this death has affected us or not.

    Spain is our wife. We are on speaking terms, but she is flaunting her bling to the world.
    Byzantium is our mid life fling. We tried to break it off but her and the wife conspired against us.

    As you might imagine, it was a horrible Valentines Day.

    Notes
    Thirty slaves overseas, not making rails.
    Thirty five slaves and six workers in the homeland, not making rails.
    Ten slaves in Old England, not making rails and needing a ride to the capital.

    Peace with Spain: 12 turns.
    Silks, Spice and Incense to Spain for Horses and 3 GPT: 13 turns.
    Military Tradition in 5 turns, so we could upgrade Samurai to Cavalry rather soon and then build our own Cavalry, while Spain sends us Horses. Don't like depending upon the HorseFaced for Horses..

    Peace with Byzantium: 4 turns.
    There are Horses in Byzantium that we can claim with a new city. Oh, yeah, buddy boy. And claim them we will.

    We need a harbor overseas that is actually on the New World itself. Ani's harbor is fine, but it is just an island.

    We are behind Nationalism and Industrialization to Spain.
    We are behind Nationalism to Byzantium and up Steam Power. However, Theodora likes her current roads or else is about to learn about Steam Power herself. No swapsies with the Mid-Life Fling of Maniacal Fury.

    Plans
    Keep on learning Military Tradition.
    MilTrad -> Electricity -> Replaceable Parts (for Infantry, Artillery and faster workers).
    Bring the Old England slaves down south to help rail our core.
    Build a harbor overseas.
    Grab Horses from Byzantium.
    Rail like there is no tomorrow.
     
  17. CommandoBob

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    The Ladies of our Life
    We got up enough courage to talk to France and the shock killed her.
    We were able to hold hands with Egypt and even able to talk to her, until her hands started to get into everything we did. Hand holding is fine; meddling is not. We stuck a frog down her throat.
    Russia was our lover; now she is not and we are very glad.
    England was our Ex.

    Spain is our wife and she is basking in her own glory. Her lawyers out-smarted our lawyers; we are searching for better shysters.
    Byzantium is our mid-life fling and has been more than we expected. She dumped Alexandar of Greece and then proceeded to tear his life to shreds in public.
    Alexandar has diasappered.

    Neo-Tokyo: hire two geeks.
    Osaka: cannon in 2 -> university in 15.
    Frenchie: market in 94 -> settler in 24.
    Hellopolis: market in 90 -> library in 70; hire a geek.
    Firefly: settler in 15 -> harbor in 15; rush for 60 of 790 gold.
    New Kyoto: market in 44 -> aqueduct in 44.
    Satsuma: cannon in 2 -> university in 17.
    Chartres: market in 92 -> library in 72.
    Besancon: market in 92 -> library in 75.
    Yokohama: taxman -> geek.
    Dijin: market in 100 -> settler in 30.
    Zaragoza: market in 100 -> library in 80.
    Suo: market in 16 -> aqueduct in 16.
    Sado: hire a geek.
    Serenity: vSamurai in 57 -> aqueduct in 87.
    New Osaka: market in 99 -> library in 79.
    London: taxman -> geek.
    El-Amarna: rush vGalleon for 20 of 730 gold.

    Rail from Satsuma through Nagoya to I Hated Her.

    Wake settler overseas and head for Horses. Protect with some vSamurai.

    Wake up two boats with settlers and send them towards the New World.
    [IBT]
    Firefly: harbor -> settler in 30.
    French Fries: harbor -> vGalleon in 50.
    El-Amarna: vGalleon -> vGalleon in 50.


    1 1405 AD

    Workers
    Rail to Memphis.
    GalleonShuttle sails from El-Amarna to near Yekaterinburg and picks up 4 slaves and then heads towards Pi-Ramesses.
    Move settler onto ruins near Horses overseas.
    Move 2 slaves to 1SE of Serenity, to rail.
    Six slaves start road 1SW of Trojan. Tile is marsh and should be drained this IBT; road may also complete on the IBT.
    Four slaves rail 1NW of Grenoble.
    [IBT]
    I Hated Her: vSamurai -> vSamurai in 4.
    Neo-Tokyo: harbor -> cannon in 40; hire 3rd geek.
    Nagoya: vSamurai -> vSamurai in 4.
    Rouen: courthouse -> vMusket in 12.
    Nagasaki: univresity -> vMusket in 7.
    Yokohama: cannon -> vSamurai in 7.
    Fukushima: settler -> settler in 30.

    2 1410 AD


    Workers
    Rail to Edo.
    Rail from Firefly to Serenity.
    YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe gets us our own source of Horses; start on Walls.
    Defend with 4 Samurai.
    Four slaves rail 1SW of Sardica.
    [IBT]
    Memphis: university -> bank in 12.
    Toyko: cannon -> vSamurai in 5.
    Edo: vSamurai -> university in 13.

    3 1415 AD


    Workers
    Boot out 4 slaves into Pi-Ramesses.
    Rail to Giza.
    Rail from Serenity to YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe.
    Unload settlers in Firefly.
    Put Samurai and Sword into Firefly, since we see a Bzy Cavalry just across the border. Just in case.

    Peace with Byzantium ends this IBT.
    [IBT]
    Drop SCI to 50%, +98 gpt, 922 gold, Military Tradition in 1.

    Byz Cavalry moves away.

    Military Tradition -> Industrialization in 10 at 50%.

    We can build Miltart Academy.

    Nara: cannon -> vCavalry in 7.

    4 1420 AD

    Samurai builds upgraded to Cavlary.


    Workers
    Four slaves that arrived in Pi-Ramesses begin to rail to the capital.
    Rail from Giza to Kyoto and on towards Heliopolis.
    Overseas, rail to Jaynestown and Trojan.
    Start a forest chop 1SW of Grenoble, to help the cannon and allow faster railing.

    Hire two geeks in New Osaka.

    Raise SCI to 70%, +27 gpt, 1020 gold, Industrialization in 8.
    [IBT]
    Trojan: worker -> worker in 10.
    Kagoshima: cannon -> cannon in 5.

    5 1425 AD


    Workers
    Rail to Suo.
    New workers irrigates at Trojan.
    Need to bring some overseas slaves to the mainland.
    [IBT]
    Forest chop at Grenoble completes.
    I Hated Her: vCavalry -> vCavalry in 4.
    Nagoya: vCavalry -> vCavalry in 4.
    Izumi: aqueduct -> market in 20.

    6 1430 AD


    Workers
    Rail to Fukushima and Kozuke and Tokyo.
    Begin to rail 1SW of Grenoble.
    Load 4 slaves in GalleonShuttle and go back to Pi-Ramesses.
    Send some boats overseas to pick up slaves.
    [IBT]

    7 1435 AD

    Byzantium learned Steam Power.

    Workers
    Connect New Satsuma.
    Pi-Ramesses is connected.
    Hire 2 geeks in Fukushima.
    Hire 3 geeks in Firefly.
    [IBT]
    Kozuke: cannon -> cannon in 40.
    Tokyo: vCavalry -> vCavalry in 5.

    8 1440 AD

    Missed this before. Our humble little wife knows about Medicine, Industrialization and Ironclads.

    Workers
    Dump 4 slaves into Pi-Ramesses.
    Start to rail a mountain to connect Sado.
    Sapporo is connected.
    Load some slaves onto boats overseas.

    Hire a geek in El-Amarna.
    Hire 3 geeks in Serenity.
    [IBT]
    London: rMusket -> library in 40.
    Nagasaki: vMusket -> bank in 18.
    Kyoto: cannon -> cannon in 20.


    9 1445 AD


    Workers
    Tundra railed 1SW of Grenoble. Lots of hills around Grenoble, so no quick spot to rail and connect with a nearby city. Start to rail the hill 1S of Grenoble, aiming for Dijon.
    Start to rail from Sapporo to Zaragoza; one hill and two forest tundras to work on.
    Rail under Fourth Army, 1W of Serenity.
    Irrigate 1S of Trojan.
    Izumi is connected.
    "New" slaves from Pi-Ramesses complete rails 1W of I Hated Her.
    [IBT]
    I Hated Her: vCavalry -> vCavalry in 4.
    Alexandria: vMusekt -> vMusket in 20.
    Kagoshima: cannon -> university in 25 (factory placeholder).
    Nagoya: vCavalry -> vCavalry in 4.
    Sardica: settler -> settler in 30.
    Yokohama: vCavalry -> vcavalry in 8.

    10 1450 AD


    Workers
    Nagasaki is connected.
    Rail under Sixth Army.
    Load 9 slaves into 3 boats near New Satsuma.
    Connect Nara and Osaka to each other but not to the greater rail network. That will happen on this IBT.

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    We railed a lot. We added a new city, YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe, that gave us our own source of Horeses. We learned Military Tradition and made some Cavalry.

    Samurai -> Cavalry: 30 gold per unit. None have been upgraded.

    We have built 6 Cavalry on our own.

    Industrialization in 2; even at 100% SCI we cannot learn it in one.

    The new tech will let us build Factories, which cost 240 shields. We have sevearl universities under construction; they can all be swtiched to Factories.

    We have units parked on rails in the core.

    We have some settlers overseas. We could use one to them to grab Byzantium's coal SW of Jaynestown.

    Worker Tasks/Actions (From NW to SE)
    (Overseas)
    1NW of Serenity: 12 slaves just railed this tile.
    1S of Trojan: 1 worker, irrigating; 3 turns.
    1NE of New Satsuma: 3 boats, 9 slaves, ready to sail for the homeland.
    (At Sea)
    Between Ani and French Fries: 3 boats, 9 slaves, en route to the homeland.
    (homeland)
    1E of Sado: 6 workers, railing a mountain to connect this city, finish this IBT.
    1NE of Yekaterinburgh: 2 slaves, mining a mountian, 8 turns to go. This is just busy work. GalleonShuttle is on her way to pick them up next turn.
    1SE of Osaka: 12 slaves that just railed this grassland.
    1E of Osaka: 8 slaves that will finish their rails this IBT.
    1S of Nagasaki: 12 slaves that just railed to this city.
    1S of Sapporo: 12 slaves railling a hill to connect to Zaragoza; hill completes this IBT; two forest tundra tiles remain on this route.
    1S of Grenoble: 4 slaves railing a hill to connect to Dijon. Forest tundra and plain tundra remain after this one is done (5 turns).

    For no good reason, I was planning to use the native workers to rail to Izumo and Alexandria, which means railing two hills and two grasslands.
    One stack of 12 slaves would rail from Nara southwestward through Kagoshima, New Kyoto and New Osaka andd end at Frenchie. Most of this is flatland, but the hill at Kagoshima and the mountains around New Kyoto cannot be avoided.
    Another stack of 12 slaves start in Suo and go thorough Rouen, New Edo and Marseilles, Besancon and Chartres before reaching Frenchie. This path has a lot of hill and wooded tundra tiles. It will take longer to complete this path.
    The slaves at sea could start railing from Frenchie to Neo-Tokyo and then back towards New Osaka/New Kyoto. There will 18 of them once they all arrive.
    The group of 8 slaves at Osaka could be used to add more rails in the core. They won't build many and will take several turns each time (I see 2 stacks of 4 slaves each) but that is up to the next player. I just like using a stack of 12 to lay rails than a stack of 20; easier for me to manage. Not as fast, just easier.
    Overseas, the 12 slaves are just planning to rail more grassland. And the worker will continue to play in the water.


    Military
    06 Settler
    07 Worker
    81 Slaves
    01 Warrior
    06 Archer
    02 Spear
    01 Swords
    16 Pike
    12 Muskets
    06 Cavalry
    07 Catapult
    01 Catapult (captured)
    22 Cannon
    16 Caravel
    01 Galleon
    06 Army (Samurai)
    54 Samurai
    04 Maces
    18 Trebuchet
    02 Trebuchet (captured)

    Current Units: 185
    Allowed Units: 142
    Support Costs: 043 gpt

    Industrialization in 2 at 70% science, +17 gpt, 1165 gold.
     
  19. LKendter

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  20. Elephantium

    Elephantium Elephants think that people are cute, like puppies

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    Pre-turn: I do MM on all the cities
    Upgrade some Caravels to Galleons (we have 9 now) and some Samurai to Cav (we have 29 now)

    Turn 1 - rail to Kagoshima.
    Upgrade a few more Caravels

    Spain demands TM and 24 gold. What the Wife wants, the Wife gets.
    Industrialization > Electricity
    Turn 2 - rail a step towards New Kyoto, Rouen, and Alexandria.
    YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe deposes :mad:
    Turn 3 - Continue railing...get some Workers started in the French Fries area
    Turn 4 - Continue railing...
    Turn 5 - Railnet between capital and French Fries is almost done.
    Turn 6 - ship some more Cavs overseas.
    Turn 7 - More rails...
    Turn 8 - shipping more units overseas...
    Turn 9 - declare war on the Byzantines.

    8 Catapults destroy the walls in YouCantTakeTheSkyFromMe
    5 Trebs redline the Rifle defender
    eSamurai retakes the city!
    1 resister :(
    We redline and eSamurai-kill another Rifle next to the city.

    Tactical town of BoilTheSea founded.

    Nicomedia:
    1 retreat
    2 Cavs die
    Cav kills 2/4 Rifle
    Cav kills redlined Rifle, promotes, and seizes the city!

    Dyrrachium:
    Cav kills Musket
    Cav kills rCav => 2/4
    Cav kills Spear => 3/4; city taken

    Heraclea:
    Cav kills Musket and promotes :D
    Cav kills Musket => 2/4; city taken

    BurnTheLand founded on the Horses next to the volcano.

    IBT -
    2 Byz cavs die on YouCantTakeTheSky
    Byz Cav kills our Cav and retakes Heraclea.
    Byz Cav retreats at YouCant
    Byz Cav kills Samurai
    Byz Cav dies on Pike at Trojan
    Byz Cav kills Trojan Pike

    Turn 10 -
    Cav kills 2/4 Cav and retakes Heraclea.
    We make numerous miscellaneous attacks and kill off about half a dozen enemy Cavs. It leaves a few of ours exposed, but I think it's worth it to cut down on attacks on our cities.

    Handoff notes:

    There are Cavs poised to attack Trebizond next turn; an Army is covering an arty stack to move next to Constantinople as well.
    There's another Army/Arty/Cav stack that can move up on Chalcedon next turn.

    Back home, the railnet is pretty much finished - there are just a couple of cities to connect in the southern tundra. We can start building Factories in 2-3 cities at a time; I don't want to stop Cav production while we build them.

    We have a ship chain set up; the hop next to Ani is weird - I have ships sail from the sea-stack into town, drop units, then return to their station. It's been working pretty well.
     

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