Unique Ability Elimination Thread

[Lordleoz]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 16
Patriarchate of Constantinople 15
Phoenician Heritage 27
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 22
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 14
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 11
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 23
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

Art of War: more and better general is great. In G&K, generals is much better than in vanilla because they can also claim land by building citadels, which could only be done by GA in vanilla.

Scourge of God: just doesn't provide any useful bonuses

 

[Snoopaloop]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 16
Patriarchate of Constantinople 13
Phoenician Heritage 27
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 22
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 14
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20


-2 PoC - An ability which is rendered useless in a majority of games on higher levels because the difficulty in founding a religion.

+1 - AL - As stated earlier; the extra benefits from, and the increased length of golden ages is a great combination.

Question: what are the voting time rules; once a day (at any time), or once in a 24 hour period?

 

[Tabarnak]

Question: what are the voting time rules; once a day (at any time), or once in a 24 hour period?

Once a day i guess.

 

[Wabango]

Manifest Destiny 16
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 16
Patriarchate of Constantinople 13
Phoenician Heritage 27
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 22
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 14
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Rooftrellen]

Manifest Destiny 16
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 14 (-2)
Patriarchate of Constantinople 13
Phoenician Heritage 28 (+1)
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 22
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 14
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

Free harbors can be a pretty major early game hammer boost in the right situation.

Sweden gets a boost to any GP generation, can be huge in the right circumstances, and gets a different way to use those generated GP. To me, that leaves Babylon's UA in the dust.

 

[Skibbi]

Manifest Destiny 16
Trade Caravans 21
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 21
Patriarchate of Constantinople 20It gives me more religious advantages, which means better warfare.

Phoenician Heritage 22
Druidic Lore 20
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 19
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 21
Spirit of Adwa 20
Ancien Regime 20
Furor Teutonicus 17
Hellenic League 20
Scourge of God 20 I may be a warmonger but I go not raze cities
Great Andean Road 21
Population Growth 9
The Great Warpath 18
Bushido 20
Scholars of the Jade Hall 20
The Long Count 21
Mongol Terror 18
Dutch East India Company 21
Barbary Corsairs 20
Achaemenid Legacy 20
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 21
Siberian Riches 20
Father Governs Children 20
Seven Cities of Gold 20
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Lordleoz]

Manifest Destiny 16
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 20
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 14
Phoenician Heritage 28
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 22
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Seabastian Civ]

Manifest Destiny 18 Dammit, Wabango. I'm convinced this is just trolling.
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18 (-2) I hate this UA for one reason: You can't liberate the City States that are taken over. AI Austria in SP is straight up broken.
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 14
Phoenician Heritage 28
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23 (+1) Man this got good with G+K... The extra spy is just gravy.
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Lordleoz]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 14
Phoenician Heritage 28
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 12
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Gucumatz]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 20
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 14
Phoenician Heritage 26 (-2) Don't get me wrong - I love this UA. I love blitzkrieging over mountains and I love the free harbors. Its a fun UA. But the way its rising its almost as if people are thinking that its the best the UA. That I don't agree with and because of that I am just giving this UA a small speed bump
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 13 (+1) The best blitzkrieg UA in game. With the AI being incompetent on singleplayer it shaves off several turns of siege. But on multiplayer with intelligent human beings - Viking Fury Shines its highest. You can out-tactic anything with it. And once you get units with Blitz - good fight facing a unit that can attack 6 times and heal 6 times (once the pillaging upgrade comes out)
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 20

 

[Seabastian Civ]

. . . facing a unit that can attack 6 times and heal 6 times

!!!!!

Viking Fury lets a unit attack 6 times in one "turn?"

How is that not the best UA ever.

 

[Dogmouth]

!!!!!

Viking Fury lets a unit attack 6 times in one "turn?"

How is that not the best UA ever.

There is an odd feature or bug connected to the embarkation/disembarkation aspect of VF. When you disembark, you retain all of your movement, including all of your naval bonus movement. You also ignore ZOC. Thus, a disembarking can give you ridiculous movement points. With blitz, you can keep attacking. With the new pillage for health change, you can pillage (for free as per VF) and attack as much as you want. Because ZOC doesn't apply, you can literally run circles around units and cities while attacking and pillaging at will. Assuming the bug/feature isn't fixed or changed, I'm with Gucumatz: VF is insanely underrated.

 

[Tabarnak]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 21
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 14
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 13
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 18

Sacrificial Captives : It does help to finish your first policy tree. And we have a good UU to make this possible even faster. When facing big wars after the ind. era it also help t go through powerful trees.

Nobel Prize : Not a big fan of this. In mp games, no human would declare friendship with Sweeden and in sp games you need some luck and stay small to DoF enough AIs to make it worth.

 

[Calouste]

There is an odd feature or bug connected to the embarkation/disembarkation aspect of VF. When you disembark, you retain all of your movement, including all of your naval bonus movement. You also ignore ZOC. Thus, a disembarking can give you ridiculous movement points. With blitz, you can keep attacking. With the new pillage for health change, you can pillage (for free as per VF) and attack as much as you want. Because ZOC doesn't apply, you can literally run circles around units and cities while attacking and pillaging at will. Assuming the bug/feature isn't fixed or changed, I'm with Gucumatz: VF is insanely underrated.

Of course there is a bit of a limitation that there still need to be improvements to pillage. Yes, in ideal circumstances you can have one unit attack and pillage 6 times. The second unit on the same front won't be able to do that because all the improvements have already pillaged by the first unit.

 

[Snoopaloop]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 21
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 12
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 14
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 20
The Glory of Rome 25
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 18

-2 PoC - What good is a second belief if I can't manage to get the first? Byzantines are just a civ with no synergy between their UA and either of the units.

+1 - VF - I don't think should be eliminated so early. Especially when there are some much weaker UA's remaining.

 

[Lordleoz]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 21
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 12
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 16
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 14
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 18
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 18

the Glory of Rome: same reason again

Wayfinding: embarked bonus is not very useful, I think.

 

[Petiscator]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 21
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 12
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 14
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 14
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 7
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 18
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 19

Nobel Prize makes Sweden a war machine. Grab some allies (like, half the civs) and create enemies (the other half). Warring with the enemies generate great generals and great admirals, which you should give to city-states. After a while, you will start generating a lot of GGs and GAs (+10% per friendship, lets say you have 3 = 30% more), giving you some strategically positioned alliances with city-states of your choice. Once everybody starts to hate you, forget about the +10% generation and start warring your allies too = more GGs = more alliances. It would end in a military or diplomatic victory.

About Druidic Lore... I hate it. I like it that you can found a pantheon early, and the religion will come early as well, but come on, compare it to UAs like Phoenician Herritage or Father Governs Children. Seriously, +1 or 2 FPT? Nice, but it becomes lackluster or I just can't play the celts.

 

[ori]

Moderator Action: A reminder to everyone: please provide a reason for your vote or refrain from voting - I really do not want to go through these threads and cull the spam posts, but if I have to I'll be quite liberal with my mod hammer.

 

[Crdnl Richelieu]

Ooh. Never done one of these before... I'm going for the ones that are the most to fun to play rather than what is necessarily the best... however, for it to be fun to play, it obviously needs to be useful - if you see what I mean.

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 22 (+1) - Maybe not the most useful, but defo the most fun. Race through your first policy - especially if its Honour. There's something very satisfying about killing an enemy Brute with your Jaguar and getting awarded 25 health, 5 XP, 12 culture AND 6 gold.
Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 12
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 14
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 14
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 23
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 5 (-2) - I thought this was a joke when I first read it. How many camps do you really invade over the course of a game? 25 extra gold?? Askia gets twice as much guaranteed + other stuff. Oh, and I don't want one of your stinking Brutes thanks very much... they're so.... brutish. EDIT - just realised they get money off unit maintenance, but still - it doesn't exactly get ones juices flowing
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 18
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 19

 

[The A.K.T]

Manifest Destiny 18
Trade Caravans 19
Diplomatic Marriage 18
Sacrificial Captives 22 Ingenuity 14
Patriarchate of Constantinople 12
Phoenician Heritage 26
Druidic Lore 14
Art of War 21
Viking Fury 15(+1)
Monument Builders 20
Sun Never Sets 21(-2)
Spirit of Adwa 17
Ancien Regime 23
Furor Teutonicus 5
Hellenic League 18
Scourge of God 12
Great Andean Road 22
The Great Warpath 16
Bushido 16
Scholars of the Jade Hall 21
The Long Count 19
Mongol Terror 13
Dutch East India Company 25
Barbary Corsairs 16
Achaemenid Legacy 24
Wayfinding 18
The Glory of Rome 26
Siberian Riches 19
Father Governs Children 23
Seven Cities of Gold 13
Nobel Prize 19


Viking fury judt overshines sun never sets.