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Unique Ability Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ5 - General Discussions' started by cpm4001, Sep 29, 2013.

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  1. Lorf Yimzo

    Lorf Yimzo Atheist

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    Whoopsie Daisies, I didn't go to the last page.
     
  2. Merciorum

    Merciorum Prince

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    You say that, but a lot of people keep saying that it is worth it, and that Sweden is both powerful and fun to play as. Am going to try them next.
     
  3. jlim201

    jlim201 King

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 46
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 10- There is an issue of TOO MANY GGs.
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39- Science is very important for anything
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland: Solidarity - 45
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 6
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 10-
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29- Double the melee army, which is usually half your army. A bigger army means more cities.
     
  4. rustyciv

    rustyciv Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 46
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 10
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland: Solidarity - 45 + 1 = 46 Social Policies reasons already outlined above
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 6
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 10-3 = 7 City States are important but not that important
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29-
     
  5. Krajzen

    Krajzen Deity

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 43 I have won once on deity with babylon, I felt like this acadamy of writing was no unique ability but unique cheat.
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11 Extremely powerful in multiplayer
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 6
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 7
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  6. Arcaian

    Arcaian Warlord

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 14
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 43+1 = 44. A free GS at the start of the game can often double your bpt, and then 50% GS means that end-game you can bulb your way to a science victory quickly. My favourite UA!
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 6-3 = 3. Polynesia's UA is pretty horrible compared to must UAs, not much going for it really.
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 7
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  7. erisiamk

    erisiamk Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 20
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 3
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 8
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29

    On Huge maps, which I usually play on Single Player, the sheer Great Person generation you can get with Sweden is phenomenal. With 16 players, it's not too difficult to get about 8 friends or so, which is basically 1.5x the Babylon bonus, but you get it for GWAMs as well! Makes either a Science or Cultural Victory pretty straightforward if you can stay on good terms with everyone. Nobel Prize is also fine if you happen to get a Great Person you don't need, eg from the Patronage finisher or Brandenburg Gate or something similar.

    Assyria's ability just tends to pigeonhole you down a certain route. The only time I've seen it be used effectively was in a recent multiplayer match, where I got backstabbed by the Assyrians with nukes in the late game, and they mopped up my six cities to skyrocket their techs and secure a Science victory. It's a really difficult ability to abuse properly, and the rewards aren't fantastic if you manage to do this.
     
  8. vibe96

    vibe96 Warlord

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 4
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 30
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 8
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  9. Arcaian

    Arcaian Warlord

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    @Vibe96, why is Persia's golden age ability worse than wayfinding? Wayfinding will give you early game ruins and meet the other civs early. Achaemenid Legacy allows pretty much massive golden ages with really useful benefits. If you can get some key wonders and get them going for ~15 turns, you get a really nice benefit. It's by no means great, more of a mid-tier ability, but better than Wayfinding!
     
  10. tat501

    tat501 Warlord

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    You only need 1 or 2 great generals aswell (even with Hakkapelitta's) - and you should be generating a lot of them.

    Great prophets aren't that helpful after a while.

    Great merchants worth gifting? Not so sure - if you don't need the money 90 influence is great - but you get how much from establishing a trade route anyway?

    I don't think I'd ever gift a great artist/great musician (unless I had no slots left)/Great scientist/Great engineer.
     
  11. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Great merchants would almost never be worth gifting as Sweden. You could do the mission and gift some of the gold and get 90 or more influence, depending on era. On the other hand I've played games where I've gone honor and gifted the free general to a religious CS. It's basically a free religion and you usually don't get much use out of a general that early anyway.
     
  12. Sake

    Sake Warlord

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Polynesia: Wayfinding - 0 - Dead and gone. It got slight buff with BNW and world congress, but is still the worst one left. On Pangaea you won't even notice whole UA, and that's what makes it worse than the rest.
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 24
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 19
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32 - Got nerfed a bit with consulates nerf, but it still rules. So much extra stuff from CS's.
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 8
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  13. Merciorum

    Merciorum Prince

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 26 It's underrated, and like Morocco, is one of those ones which looks bad on paper but is actually pretty tough in-game. It's also somewhat less situational than Morocco.
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 15 The inverse; looks good on paper, bad in reality. It's geared for a domination victory, which limits the efficacy of half of its UA (being solely valid in the late game), and the other half is pretty useless, and more of a sweetener. As a civ overall, it isn't terrible (the Krepost in particular is good), but the UA alone isn't great.
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 8
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29

    Where is Arabia? Surely it didn't get knocked off this early. That throws the entire validity of the system into doubt! :confused:
     
  14. vibe96

    vibe96 Warlord

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    Wayfinding is OP on tiny islands, have you ever played it? For the persians, I never really liked it. I think it's pretty hard to get golden ages since my happiness is usually between 8-0. Also i dot't like to sync my warring with natural golden ages. Overally the ability seems pretty lame, and if I want to go dom, i would rather have germany or other.
     
  15. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    This is a UA thread, not a civ thread. Arabia has the third best UB in the game, and an easy top 4 UU, but it's UA is actually not all that great in my opinion. I at least would much rather have most of the other UAs before this one.

    It was knocked out a little while ago, but I am curious about what makes it good. I asked that question a couple times and didn't really get a satisfactory answer. Arabia is an awesome civ, but I don't really like its ability.
     
  16. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 29
    China: Art of War - 11
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 26
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 11 Used to be a great UA in vanilla but both knights and swordsmen just aren't what they used to be which really kills this UA. Still a good production UA though but that's about it.
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 10 It's almost a shame this is as low as it is. Under the right conditions you can get better bonus from this than Babylon's bonus and with the culture game it's one of the few civs that can produce more works than other civs. It just lacks synergy with the double UU setup but still a great UA.
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  17. jacer21

    jacer21 Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 31 - This is the perfect UA for an all-out naval trading civ. The bonus cash you get from trade routes right away is amazing. I like it.
    China: Art of War - 7 - I usually get enough great generals without this UA.
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 26
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 11
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 10
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  18. sendos

    sendos Immortal

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 31
    China: Art of War - 7
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 26
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 8 Double iron? Meh. Double cavalry? Meh. Double uranium? Great, if there is some uranium in your territory.
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 11 Great people rule. If you make many friends, this UA helps a lot. Goes well with freedom if you plant great people.
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  19. nationstate

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 31+1=32 UA gives instant gold and increases per city
    China: Art of War - 7
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 26-3=23 Overated UA gives limited amounts of gold based on number of trade routes.
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 8
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 11
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
  20. holywar

    holywar Chieftain

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    Assyria: Treasures of Nineveh - 11
    Babylon: Ingenuity - 44
    Carthage: Phoenician Heritage - 32
    China: Art of War - 7-3 = 4, I think of China as a science civ, not a military Civ
    Greece: Hellenic League - 27
    Korea: Scholars of the Jade Hall - 39
    Persia: Achaemenid Legacy - 17
    Poland: Solidarity - 46
    Portugal: Mare Clausum - 23
    Russia: Siberian Riches - 8
    Siam: Father Governs Children - 32
    Sweden: Nobel Prize - 11 + 1 = 12, extremely useful in BNW with more great people available
    The Inca: Great Andean Road - 43
    The Maya: The Long Count - 29
    The Shoshone: Great Expanse - 35
    The Zulu - 29
     
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