Unique Ability Elimination Thread

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  1. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    At this point there really is no reason to play Ethiopia unless you want an early religion, but that's all thanks to the Stele. A bonus towards larger empires never was any good and is now totally obsolete due to the great expanse.

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    Venice - Serenissima - 12
    Serenissima really isn't bad. Sure, you can't build settlers, but this frees up your early game to do other important things. The ability to make purchases in puppets plus having double the trade routes makes Venice unstoppable by the Renaissance.
     
  2. jlim201

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    England - Sun Never Sets - 20
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 11
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 13
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    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 18- Its kind of random. Sometimes, you get big lumps of gold early, other times you get a 100 gold late game where 100 means basically nothing.
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23- When at war, culture usually lacks.
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 12
     
  3. bozosmithy

    bozosmithy Chieftain

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    France - City of Light - 11
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
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    India - Population Growth - 8
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    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
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    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 15 too random to rely on as a feature
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    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
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    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
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    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 21
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    Venice - Serenissima - 12
     
  4. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21 Great on higher difficulty with sea combat being better and extra spy to catch up on techs
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 11
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 13
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 15 too random to rely on as a feature
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 20
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22-Get defensive bonus, big borders to use it in and get to use all the resources in the vicinity of your new city on day one.
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 9-An ability in a 4X game that removes one of the Xs, expand. No thank you.
     
  5. Ellye

    Ellye Warlord

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    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 11
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 13
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 15
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 9

    I actually believe that Siam has the most powerful UA in the game, but somehow they got removed here before some of the weakest ones, in my view. Weird.

    Great Andean Road is extremely powerful both as a military tool and as an economic boost, in fact being better in both areas than some UAs that are supposed to be focused on only one of those areas.

    Druidic Lore is just way too weak. If only the tiles could at least be improved.

    Edit: Uh.. is it just me or did Siam just vanished from the list somewhere on the first page? Well, I fixed it. Vote goes for Siam then.
     
  6. Kintara

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    As far as I can tell, Siam is at 21. It's just been unlisted by some sort of error.
     
  7. Lorf Yimzo

    Lorf Yimzo Atheist

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    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 9
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 13
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 9

    Spain- It might be hit and miss, but when you hit, you get a grand slam. Perfect civ for Terra.
    France- Bring back the old UA!
     
  8. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Brazil - Carnival - 21
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    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 9
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 14
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 10 Meh, nothing really to see here
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
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    Poland - Solidarity - 26
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    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
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    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
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    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
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    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
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    Venice - Serenissima - 10 I really don't get all the Venice hate. Whether you like playing as them or not, they are very powerful, and just get so much money.
     
  9. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 9
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Besides being bland, Furor Teutonicus is just bad. Even with the fall patch it will be bad. Thank god for the hanse, because pre-patch Germany is drunk and needs to go home.

    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan - Bushido - 10
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    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
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    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
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    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
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    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
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    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11
    The only reason Serenissima is so low is because VicRatlhead5199 doesn't like it, even though it's an objectively good trait. Leave it alone for now, there are much worse UAs to eliminate first.
     
  10. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    Hey now, I've made sure to only downvote it every other day, if it deserves to stay it will. I'm not the only one who's downvoted it, just the most.

    Sure the money's great late game but they're laughably easy to take out before the Renaissance while they're building 10 trade units, trying to protect them all and their thinly spread puppet empire all with only one city to build stuff with. There's a reason people call it a "pro civ" and are so proud of their LPs with it. It's a great UA around the middle of the Renaissance but it's awful before then.
     
  11. redwings1340

    redwings1340 Emperor

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    Take tradition, give Venice +50% strength and make it tall? Use the merchant of Venice to take over a city state and all the troops associated with it? Sure, it may be hard to protect your early city state that you merchanted, but I really don't think it's that hard to protect the capital early game and get it to grow (and you can at the very least get free troops when you need them from a city state if you have a merchant). Late game I suppose everyone could cripple Venice by just having everyone declare war on the civ and take away Venice's trade route economy advantage, but if Venice is giving other civs trade route money, that may not be an attractive option for anybody until it is too late. Besides, that tactic just feels cheap to me anyway.

    With an amazing start bias too, I don't think Venice itself has production problems or is quite as easy to take out as you say it is. The computer is pretty bad with Venice, but I've found it to be a really good civ.
     
  12. greygamer

    greygamer Feudal Lord

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    Maybe I am just unlucky, but it seems every time I play as the Mongols I never have horses anywhere near my start point. But there is always a CS that has them, the UA ability allows me to get Horses while building a military and saves me the penalties of building a settler. The AI quickly forgive that first transgression in my experience. To me it encourages the Mongols to behave 'historically'. I am not saying it is my favourite UA, although the Mongols are my favourite Civ.
     
  13. jlim201

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    Babylon - Ingenuity - 24
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 10- Yes, this is situational, but when going for culture victory, it is awesome.
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 21
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7- Just not very good
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11
     
  14. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 5 The extra sight is nice for early scouting but it's benefits fall off fast. I usually use a mounted unit or a scout with scouting to spot, it just saves me from that. The tile buying is handy but is so outdone by the Shoshone and even just the tradition opener.
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 24
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 10
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22 diplo vics become a cakewalk
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11
     
  15. DeathwatchBob

    DeathwatchBob Chieftain

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    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 7
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 22
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11

    As Ethiopia I'd rather go wide and get the most out of the Stele.

    Babylon goes up because science is so important. If the AI ever figured out how to make academies, then AI Babylon would be a serious challenge.
     
  16. Lorf Yimzo

    Lorf Yimzo Atheist

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    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 4
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 23
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 17
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 23
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11

    Korea- Lousy science civ but makes up for the fact that their colors are cool.

    Ethiopia- I love UAs that force me to go tall. I just dont like Hailes leader screen.
     
  17. Ellye

    Ellye Warlord

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 5
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    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 4
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 23
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 14
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 24
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11
     
  18. Teagen

    Teagen Warlord

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 2
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 4
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 14
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 24
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 11[/QUOTE]
     
  19. VicRatlhead5199

    VicRatlhead5199 King

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    America - Manifest Destiny - 0 Putting it out of it's misery, imo the only reason to play America is if you're American
    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
    Assyria - Treasures of Nineveh - 22
    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 4
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 14
    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 24
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 22 Faster to march, logistics, blitz etc. I love it.
    Venice - Serenissima - 11

    I left Serenissima alone two days now. Lemme know when I can vote how I want again. Am I supposed to wait 'til a couple more get voted off first?
     
  20. MantaRevan

    MantaRevan Emperor

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    America - Manifest Destiny - -1
    I'll kill off this racist UA once and for all.

    Arabia - Ships of the Desert - 22
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    Austria - Diplomatic Marriage - 17
    Babylon - Ingenuity - 25
    Brazil - Carnival - 21
    Byzantium - Patriarchate of Constantinople - 19
    Carthage - Phoenician Heritage - 21
    China - Art of War - 21
    Denmark - Viking Fury - 12
    Egypt - Monument Builders - 18
    England - Sun Never Sets - 21
    Ethiopia - Spirit of Adwa - 4
    France - City of Light - 10
    Germany - Furor Teutonicus - 11
    Greece - Hellenic League - 22
    India - Population Growth - 8
    Indonesia - Spice Islanders - 18
    Japan- Bushido - 7
    Korea - Scholars of the Jade Hall - 24
    Morocco - Gateway to Africa - 14
    Persia - Achaemenid Legacy - 21
    Poland - Solidarity - 26
    Polynesia - Wayfinding - 21
    Portugal - Mare Clausum - 22
    Rome - The Glory of Rome - 17
    Russia - Siberian Riches - 20
    Siam - Father Governs Children - 22
    Songhai - River Warlord - 20
    Spain - Seven Cities of Gold - 16
    Sweden - Nobel Prize - 19
    The Aztecs - Sacrificial Captives - 23
    The Celts - Druidic Lore - 11
    Basically worthless unless you start in forest, and the bonus goes away when you improve the tiles. Plus it forces you to pick a pantheon before you've explored around at all or figured out your surroundings, which is a disadvantage to me.

    The Huns - Scourge of God - 9
    The Inca - Great Andean Road - 24
    The Iroquois - The Great Warpath - 18
    The Maya - The Long Count - 21
    The Netherlands - Dutch East India Company - 16
    The Ottomans - Barbary Corsairs - 17
    The Shoshone - Great Expanse - 22
    The Zulus - Iklwa - 21
    Venice - Serenissima - 12
    One bonus to venice that people seem to forget is that you almost never need to build military. Venice gets a bunch of up-to date, undamaged units for free every time it buys a CS.


    EDIT: It looks like I got sniped and someone else killed Manifest Destiny first, vote shifted over to the Celts.
     
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