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Unique Civ-Specific Great People Names

Discussion in 'Rhye's and Fall Modmods' started by garrinchaya, Feb 13, 2007.

  1. Pottery

    Pottery Chieftain

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    I think you are confusing Leonardo with Michelangelo here. :) By the way, Mona Lisa is in Le Louvre, and, putting it the game terms (like you did for Cristoforo Colombo) Leonardo's art has probably contributed more to France's "culture rating" than Italy's; you might even think of him as a ‘culture bomb’ exploding somewhere in France... so would you say that Leonardo is a French great man after all?
     
  2. Edungeon

    Edungeon Flying~

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    Oh yeah! XDDDDD Really Sorry... @_@ I was really confused :(

    Well, in that way... Yeah, but, well Mona Lisa was always in Paris? If yes, i really don't see any problem u_u'
     
  3. SadoMacho

    SadoMacho spanker of civilizations

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    And Einstein for Germany, as he discovered the 2 relativity theories while living in Germany (or Switersland, I'm not sure).
     
  4. LuKo

    LuKo The Royal Guard

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    He discovered that in Germany but not for Germans. I think that in cIV terms he is an American GS.
     
  5. Wilhelm II

    Wilhelm II Warlord

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    I don't really care in which list Einstein is, but what is the reason Einstein is more American than European? AFAIK Einstein published his most influential and important works in Switzerland and (from 1914 till 1932) in Berlin. What did he really add to modern physics from 1933 till 1955? Why are these last 22 years more important than EVERYTHING he has done before?
     
  6. LuKo

    LuKo The Royal Guard

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  7. kairob

    kairob Biohazard

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    I would personally count him as German, but can I just ask, he did help america get nuclear weapons didnt he? That seems pretty big to me.
     
  8. LuKo

    LuKo The Royal Guard

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    It was quite important but not as important as his works in 1905.
     
  9. kairob

    kairob Biohazard

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    Nuclear weapons were "quite important"?, anyways I say he was a genius before he went to the USA but why not just add him to both lists, then if he comes up twice just go "huh, he must have moved"...
     
  10. Talkie_Toaster

    Talkie_Toaster I toast, therefore I am

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    xD what, like,

    Einstein, born in Germany, 1208 AD

    Moved to America 1965 AD

    Nice world you live in there...
     
  11. kairob

    kairob Biohazard

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    yeah that sounds about right ;)
     
  12. Phallus

    Phallus Freudian Slip

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    lol I'm sure Einstein would love this debate over nationality.
     
  13. LuKo

    LuKo The Royal Guard

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    Nuclear weapon compared to other Einstein's jobs is just "quite important".
     
  14. kairob

    kairob Biohazard

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    Compared to ALL technological and scientific advancments of the last 100 years I would say it was deeply significant...
     
  15. LuKo

    LuKo The Royal Guard

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    I don't think so. Nuclear weapons were important but biological weapons would cause cold war too... And in WW2 Japan would lose without American tests of nuclear bombs.
     
  16. Talkie_Toaster

    Talkie_Toaster I toast, therefore I am

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    I personally would count him as German. Simply because I can't imagine him without a strong German accent and his famed frizzyness :mischief:
     
  17. kairob

    kairob Biohazard

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    Yeah I too think he was german, and the cold war just wouldnt be the same without MAD...
     
  18. Wilhelm II

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    Was Einstein part of the Manhattan Project? He might be the one who helped initiate it with the famous letter to president Roosevelt, but he was not into quantum mechanics and nuclear physics that much as Oppenheimer, Feynman, etc. E=mc² is not enough to build a bomb, is it? Apart from that he was a philantrop, pacifist and shaped by European humanism (and Kant's philosophy).

    Since we can find a lot of Great Scientists for both Germany and the US, resolving the nationality of a man who detested nationalism should not be a prime issue. :)

    Apart from that: how long do you really see the name of a Great Person? I use them for one purpose or another pretty quickly, the game does not offer me information on the background of the historical person and I usually know it already or don't care at all. Therefore the only name I'm stuck with is the name of a Great General who leads one of my (or someone else's) armies. Seeing Rome using Hamilcar Barca, or Carthage Scipio Africanus can be weird at times...
     
  19. fearuin

    fearuin Born to be Warlord

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    Whoops... my apologies. You're right, he should be in the Roman list.

    It seems Columbus and Einstein are creating a lot of controversy here... OK, I'll give my opinion.
    Columbus: he should be in the Spanish list. It is accepted that he was born in Italy, though this is a very controversial fact. I don't believe the Spanish historians that argue that he was Spanish. In any case, it is documented that he documented his future trip in Spain, and probably with Norse sailors. In fact, his own brother was a map drawer, and worked in Seville. His uncle was probably Spanish too, and made the contacts to afford the Pinzon brothers' services, who were also Spanish (and Galician, BTW).The Pinzon brothers were the captains of the smaller ships, and the Santa Maria was to be directed by Columbus itself. There was a project to build the ships, but the money was needed. He tried to get financing for his expedicion on France and on Portugal, because they were richer, to be neglected. So he tried in Spain. He was neglected again: the Spanish treasury was not enough to afford the high sum he was asking. But, when he was about to pass the frontier to offer his services for Portuguese, for a lower bill, a messenger stopped him and said that the Crown finally got the financing. It is said that Queen Isabella sold her jewells, but this is merely a legend. In any case, the agreement was done, and he worked for the Spanish.

    Einstein: it's difficult to say if he should be in the American or in the German list. But, if you want to include him as a GS, he should be German. He worked for Germans during his most brightest works, but when he retired to America, he didn't stopped. He started to work in the Manhattan Project (Yes, he did!), but his compromise was "to frighten but not to use". When the bombs were used, he retired all his support to the American government, he felt betrayed, and started a heavy political campaign with many pacifist and socialist messages, as seen in the article "Why socialism?". His political activity was obviusly pursued by McCarthy's anticommunist campaign, so he was tempted to flee to Israel. He was offered in 1952 to become president of the new country, but he refused: though Israel was a better place to develop his ideas of socialism, he had to refuse because he was convinced that Israel won't become a pacifist country. During this period he made the Russell-Einstein Manifest, asking for a Wordly Union, and the eradication of nuclear weapons. After this, he was affected by the Alzheimer Syndrome, and he smoothly vanished from public activities, until his death. As you see, most of the activity of Einstein after fleeing from Germany involved politics, not science.

    Well, I did it again: I gave you a history lesson. Sorry for the long chattering. ;)
     
  20. Prestidigitator

    Prestidigitator Prince

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    Gaius Octavius where are you?
     

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