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[R&F] Unique Infrastructure Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by Legacy of Smiles, Nov 21, 2018.

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  1. Weraptor

    Weraptor Prince

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [27]
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [13+1=14] Gets new cities running real fast.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [29]
    20. Korea - Seowon [27]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [14]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
    34. Zulu - Ikanda [6-3=3] Boring.
     
  2. OmegaDestroyer

    OmegaDestroyer Prince

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [27]
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [29+1=30] To me, it's hard to pick between this, the Mekewap, and Outback Station as the best improvements in the game. I give the edge to the Kampung because other than fisheries, there aren't any really great ways to take advantage of coastal tiles. Sure you can build docks and water parks, but that only helps with two tiles.
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [14]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
    34. Zulu - Ikanda [3-3=0] ELIMINATED. It feel kind of cheap eliminating this for the sake of down voting, but the other options are superior.
     
  3. Jkchart

    Jkchart King

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [27]
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14+1=15] - It's still fabulous in R+F. You can easily get some of the most productive cities, as well as the most wealthy, with this district.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [14-3=11] I like the Ordu. I really do. But the only true advantage it has over the Stable is that +1 movement. It's powerful-ish, but not interesting enough for me to consider the strongest here.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]

    EDIT: Also @Legacy of Smiles Ikanda was eliminated
     
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  4. AmazonQueen

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [27+1=28] - The only downside is sometimes a great place for a Mekewap and for a district conflict. I can live with that.
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14+1=15]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [11-3=8] - It complements Mongolia and Genghis well, but in and of itself, isn't that good.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
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  5. Jewelrunna

    Jewelrunna Warlord

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [28]
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [15+1=16] - Not sure why this is lower than some of the options here that are weaker; this district has so much potential and is the main reason why Germany's so good. Production is vital in Civ VI and this district gets you so much with just a little bit of planning.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [8-3=5] - It actually is pretty good within context, but it's the weakest of the choices left. Natural choice.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
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  6. bbbt

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [28+1 = 29] - Like the Pairidaeza - strong, scales well, and rewards interesting/thoughtful placement
    8. Dutch - Polder [24]
    13. Germany - Hansa [16]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [22]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [5-3 = 2] - I'll jump on the Ordu downvote bandwagon. +1 movement is always nice, but it's not as game changing for 4 movement knights/keshigs as it was for say the Zulu impi in Civ 5. More of a succeed faster sort of boost.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
  7. BarbarianHunter

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [21] (24-3) --- Well, it was between the Ordu's +1 movement and this. +4 gold at civil engineering sounds nice, but I tend to be rolling in gold by then and also avoid civil engineering as it obsoletes (edit: can no longer build) battering rams (and you never know when you might need one). +2 food and +1 production for each adjacent polder @ replacable parts also sounds like a boon, but for those of us who are wide play and/or cavalry fanatics (ie. don't use many melee class units), replaceable parts is a negative as it will net you unwanted population that will suck up your amenities. That leaves the following:
    Which is meh.
    13. Germany - Hansa [16]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23] (22+1) --- Science via unit spam will get a nerf with GS. For now, however, this seems the strongest choice relative to other rankings. I wonder if the Hetairoi will require resources to build in GS?
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22]
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [2]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
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  8. Kmart_Elvis

    Kmart_Elvis Prince

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [29]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [21]
    13. Germany - Hansa [16]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [22+1=23] Great early culture and even better tourism late game with Eiffel Tower and city parks.
    23. Mongolia - Ordu [2-3=ELIMINATED] Mongolia is one of my favorite civilizations, and this building is a part of the reason. Blitzkrieg across the map with your horsies and win. Really nice to have but not required. Still, I do recognize its time has come, so this horse is being sent to the glue factory.

    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
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  9. Icicle

    Icicle Prince

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30] (29+1) Australia is a very easy civ to win with, and not having any bad terrain in your territory after your start spamming these is a big part of why.
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [21]
    13. Germany - Hansa [13] (16-3) Let me tell you another thing that is bad about Hansas. When an AI actually places one well that just means it will be subpar when I conquer it.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
  10. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [21+1=22] No, battering rams are not obsolete at Civil engineering (at least not in Rise and Fall) despite what an above post says, they aren't even obsolete when you discover steel, only when the AI discovers steel. These are fun. That's enough reason to upvote them. It's fun to try to also search for Auckland and pray he's in the game. Fun to expand into places you know you can place these. Fun to have lakes to put these and build Huey as well. Fun Fun Fun.
    13. Germany - Hansa [13]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [30-3=27] I upvoted them earlier, and this is a powerful district. Problem is I find the religion game kind of boring and lacking. Sure you get great people points with this, but I'd rather play Greece and build Acropolis instead. I find culture more useful than faith.
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
  11. SumerianMonkey

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [24-3=21] Just want to call attention to this guy cause I feel that 1 science and between 0-5 faith is not justified still being here.
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [22]
    13. Germany - Hansa [13+1=14] I mean an well placed hansa is most definitely got give it’s production back and more.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21]
     
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  12. kryat

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [21]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [22+1=23] Absolutely fun to build and the most aesthetically pleasing improvement in the game.
    13. Germany - Hansa [14]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [21-3=18] The science is nice, and the placement rules are relaxed enough, but they always seem to be in the way. Or something else is in their way.
     
  13. Leathaface

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [21]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [23]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [24+1=25] Lots and lots of Science, what else can you say? Science is critical to keeping up with the AI no matter what victory condition you are pursuing.
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21]
    29. Russia - Lavra [27-3=24] I rarely go for a Religion so the 50% production towards it doesn't do much for me. I only build Holy Sites in the mid-game when getting enough faith for National Parks and I tend to have a lot of production by then.
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
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  14. Josephias

    Josephias King

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [21+1=22] Giving it an extra oportunity. Yes, it is mostly extra faith, but extra faith also means extra science for Arabia with the UA and LUA. Also, comes earlier tan the University.
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [23]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [25]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [21-3=18] I lost many good oportunities to downvote by being a bit away these way. From de remaining ones, it is difficult to chose without repeating, however I realized the Sukiennice only provides you bonuses if you actively link trade routes from its city. Of course, it is a market and it provides you a trade route itself, but if you use this route, e.g. to push growth in a new city, then you are not getting any bonuses from it.
    29. Russia - Lavra [24]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
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  15. The Highwayman

    The Highwayman Warlord

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [22]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [23-3 = 20] An awesome UI with plenty of lake tiles, but map inconsistencies should likely land this just outside the top 10. I do want to give a shout out to useful lake tiles though.
    13. Germany - Hansa [14]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [21+1 = 22] Grabbing all the great writers is huge for flying down the culture tree and scoring an easy culture or science victory. Even if you don't use the same turn exploit, you can still trade this away for big deals. Oh yeah, and free envoys that buff Surrounded by Glory.
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [25]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18]
    29. Russia - Lavra [24]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
  16. Amrunril

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [22-3=19] This comes a bit earlier than the default university, but at that phase in the game, I rarely have the production to take advantage of it (especially if I'm investing in Mamluks). The extra faith is nice, but not enough to make it top tier.
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [20]
    13. Germany - Hansa [14+1=15] This can often provide 5 production for half the cost of a district. That's an incredibly efficient investment. It will likely also make you the first civ to start accumulating great engineer points.
    14. Greece - Acropolis [22]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [25]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18]
    29. Russia - Lavra [24]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
  17. Canterbury

    Canterbury Warlord

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [19]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [20]
    13. Germany - Hansa [15]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [22]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [25]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [23-3=20] Being nitpicky here. They're more powerful for cultural victories than the Pairidaeza is, but their placement restrictions make them harder to use.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18]
    29. Russia - Lavra [24+1=25] Really powerful for religious victories. I've almost got beaten by AI Russia with this.
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
  18. KnightModern

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [19+1=20] this contribute both scientific & religious victory, earlier to get than universities, what's not to love?
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29]
    8. Dutch - Polder [20]
    13. Germany - Hansa [15]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [22]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [25-3=22] it's good, but placement restriction lower the value, also suck if you find +5 or even +6 mountain bonus
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [20]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18]
    29. Russia - Lavra [25]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
  19. Heinage

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [20]
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [29+1=30] - The +1 production, +1 housing, extra food and gold dependant on placement, and extra production and housing later on, along with early game access makes this an absolute monster.
    8. Dutch - Polder [20]
    13. Germany - Hansa [15]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [22]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [22]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [20-3=17] - Culture from appeal limits where it can be placed and what you can put next to it. On top of that, to use what it provides, you often have to forgo using better yield tiles for other things. Too situational in my opinion.
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18]
    29. Russia - Lavra [25]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
  20. Legacy of Smiles

    Legacy of Smiles Warlord

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    2. Arabia - Madrasa [20-3=17] Provides a bit of faith unreliably and a single point of science.
    3. Australia - Outback Station [30]
    7. Cree - Mekewap [30]
    8. Dutch - Polder [20]
    13. Germany - Hansa [15]
    14. Greece - Acropolis [22]
    16. Indonesia - Kampung [30]
    20. Korea - Seowon [22]
    21. Macedon - Basilikoi Paides [23]
    22. Mapuche - Chemamull [17]
    26. Persia - Pairidaeza [27]
    27. Poland - Sukiennice [18+1=19] An incredibly versatile bonus. Doesn't need to be built in every city - stacking routes is also as strong.
    29. Russia - Lavra [25]
    33. Sumeria - Ziggurat [18]
     
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